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« on: May 22, 2004, 04:24:32 AM »
Diesel  in Jeep Liberty for 05 models. It's a Mercedes engine with common rail injectors. Would you buy one?

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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2004, 06:03:56 AM »
Quanto dinero? (How much money?)
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2005, 09:46:50 PM »
I like the idea of small turbo-diesel in a small truck. But not the execution.

I have to wonder if, in the US, there's a need for such a truck. I have an '04 Dakota 4WD Quad-Cab with the 4.7L V8 (it replaced my '00 4WD Quad Cab). That truck has all the power I'll need (all the power that the frame can stand), and it gets 14 MPG around town and almost 20 MPG on the highway. Anything that can reasonably be towed behind the truck can be towed with the 4.7L engine.

I was thinking about buying a larger Dodge pickup with a diesel... but I did the math and realized that for me (a person who doesn't tow regularly, and when I do it's smaller stuff) the diesel didn't make economic sense. I'd pay $5,000 more for the diesel and if diesel and gas cost the same it would take me almost 60,000 miles to break even on the truck. Since diesel is 25% more than gas here, I'd have to wait almost a decade until the breakeven point.

Here in WA state at this time, regular unleaded runs from $2.20 to $2.30 a gallon, while diesel runs $2.65 and up.

If I lived on a farm or ranch and could get bulk diesel without the highway tax for a great price (and could use it on my land), I'd lean towards a diesel for a smaller truck. If I was going to drive a vehicle around the world, I'd lean towards a diesel, and know that I would sacrifice performance and driveability for easier access to fuel. If I lived in the Third World and gas availability was problematic, I'd lean towards the diesel. If I had the land and access to cheap used vegetable oil and wanted to make biodiesel, I'd strongly lean towards a diesel (obviously).

But in modern-day America for the average person? What would a similar-displacement diesel offer me in performance or economy or utility over my current gas engine?

The '05 Liberty diesel offering must be something Daimler-Chrysler is building primarily for the export market.

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2005, 05:58:16 AM »
I saw a couple Liberty diesels (CRD) at my local dealer yesterday.  One had a 6-speed manual the other a 5-speed auto.  The price was $16,600+ and $17,400+ respectively. The additional price fro the CRD is just over $2500.00.  Not to bad considereing the cost addition of other diesels. Both were nicely optioned, but not over the top.

Like JohnClif, I too have questions about the additional cost of purchasing/owning a diesel.   I asked questions about oil capacity, filter cost and availability, as well as potential additional service costs.  I didn't get any definite answers.  I was told they had not received any service products for the CRD and cost factors would be forthcoming.  

Diesel fuel is running about 20-25 cents more than regular gas in MD.  Currently about $2.65.

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2005, 03:30:07 AM »
I just see no real reason to add the extra weight to a small vehichle when it isn't likely going to add much benificial to the overall use to the vehicle.  In some vehicles, yes.  In a small SUV, no.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2005, 10:13:39 AM »
Sorry Folks.  Made a  mistake on the prices of the CRD Liberty's.  Should be $26,600 and $27,400.  Apologies fo the error.

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2005, 01:07:53 PM »
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I just see no real reason to add the extra weight to a small vehichle when it isn't likely going to add much benificial to the overall use to the vehicle.  In some vehicles, yes.  In a small SUV, no.


Hmmm, I destinctly remember volkswagon rabbits in the mid 70's having the diesel engine option.  The reason I know this is, my mom's uncle (my great uncle?) had one.  And I remember my dad specifically asking him, "why would you want that smokey, noisy, rattling little car"  And he said, "cause it gets 50-55 miles per gallon around town".  That seems like a real good reason to me.  The germans (and euro's in general) have been using diesel engine cars for quite a while.  Our own EPA raised certain emission standards in the mid 80's, making small diesel engines unpratical or unfeasable until recent technology changes.  

You see, most of our (american's) diesel engine experience is with large heavy trucks.  With the main emphasis of the design of the engine going towards major power output first (cummins with 600 lb-ft torque or the 300 HP CAT engine as prime examples).  But yet, they still give excellent fuel economy.  And the reason these engines are so much heavier, is they literally are built to last under extreme abuse.  I know one man that has a dump truck with over 1,000,000 miles on it, with the engine being rebuilt only once in that time.  

I personally would like to see several vehicles with smaller diesel engines in them.  I think what they will be capable of doing will surprise alot of people.  The vast majority of americans have very little to no knowledge of diesel engines.  Just remember back 15 years ago, nobody had diesel engines in their pick-up trucks, and now they are everywhere.

Oh, and what happened to that little rabbit, well it has been passed on to another family member now, and the last I heard, it had over 500,000 miles on it.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2005, 05:14:41 AM »
VW still offers diesel engines in their autos.

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2005, 05:27:55 AM »
the best Diesels are the Cummins,late 80's early 90's.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2005, 06:27:49 AM »
I have never understood why Dodge never put the Cummins 4.0l "B" series motor in the Dakota. It's the same as the 5.9l, minus 2 cylinders. I think a lot of the accessories etc. could have been reused to make the swap.
Probably a bigger untapped market for a mid-size diesel truck than a diesel SUV.

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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2005, 09:23:37 AM »
Quote from: ihookem
Diesel  in Jeep Liberty for 05 models. It's a Mercedes engine with common rail injectors. Would you buy one?


I don ot think it is a mercedes engine, but rather an engine made in Sweden.