Two sides of the same coin

[nw_hunter]

Two sides of the same coin
https://thenewamerican.com/us/immigration/congressional-republicans-push-amnesty-for-illegal-farmworkers/

[Bob Riebe]

      White men speak with forked tongue.
      They used to come in season , with trailers, and then go back home, legally.

[gypsyman]

Wonder where all farms these ''illegal's are working at? Living in NW Ohio all my life, 50+ years ago, the migrant workers would work their way north, and yes, the shanty's they stayed in for a couple of weeks and pick the crops were on the farms by the hundreds. Move up to Michigan, pick crops up there, and head back south when they were done. MAYBE, I see a couple of shanty's the farmers might be using for a tool shed, but 99% are gone. Everything around here is all done by machine. Tomatoes, cabbage, apple's, and most of the farmers around here all went to corn,wheat or beans on a larger scale. Maybe California, Texas and a couple others might still use some migrant workers. This looks like a sound's good, do nothing law politicians are famous for.

[Mule 11]

Wonder where all farms these ''illegal's are working at? Living in NW Ohio all my life, 50+ years ago, the migrant workers would work their way north, and yes, the shanty's they stayed in for a couple of weeks and pick the crops were on the farms by the hundreds. Move up to Michigan, pick crops up there, and head back south when they were done. MAYBE, I see a couple of shanty's the farmers might be using for a tool shed, but 99% are gone. Everything around here is all done by machine. Tomatoes, cabbage, apple's, and most of the farmers around here all went to corn,wheat or beans on a larger scale. Maybe California, Texas and a couple others might still use some migrant workers. This looks like a sound's good, do nothing law politicians are famous for.

N.E.Ohio is quite different, all kinds of foreigners. I.C.E. Should come here next and clean house. I am sure there are some decent hard working illegals, butt, they all have to go.

[Trump1]

Introduced on June 30, 2026, by Representative Glenn "GT" Thompson (R-PA), H.R. 9535, the Securing Agriculture?s Workforce Act of 2026, is a bipartisan bill designed to overhaul and modernize the H-2A temporary agricultural worker program to better support year-round and seasonal farmers.
Program Expansion & EligibilityYear-Round Access: Removes the strict "temporary or seasonal" requirement by redefining temporary contracts up to 350 days, allowing dairy, poultry, and livestock operations to use the program.
New Categories: Expands eligible job classifications to include aquaculture, equine care, logging, and agricultural processing.
Wage Stability & Cost ControlWage Caps: Codifies the Adverse Effect Wage Rate (AEWR) calculation and caps annual wage increases.Fee Reductions: Eliminates unrelated or overlapping federal fees, lowering the overall financial burden on agricultural producers.

[ironglowz]

..An old struggle..  The Democrats want illegals here for cheap (illegal) votes, certain wealthy Republican agriculturists want them here for cheap (illegal) labor.

  Neither are friends of honest Americans.

  There was a program developed in the 1940s, called the Braceros program, where foreign laborers could come to the states, stay for the work season,
  then return back home. ..But some crooked individuals listed above, worked and likely bribed, some politicians to destroy that program.

  As a kid I worked alongside  some of them, harvesting crops on local farms.... beans, strawberries, potatoes etc.  ...But now, with mostly mechanical harvesting, they have switched to year round work here.  Dairy farming, tree farming etc.

  Then of course, other year round industries began hiring illegals, and apparently did not want to be bothered by anything like a Braceros program.

  ..All are stealing from our entry level, American workers !

 
    https://braceroarchive.org/

[Trump1]

The old struggle is rich versus poor. 

Claims of massive illegal voting are a hoax. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election's outcome. 

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/four-things-to-know-about-noncitizen-voting/

[Mule 11]

[quote author=Faggodactyl 

Claims of massive illegal voting are a hoax. (Bullsquat)Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities (more bullsquat) and there is no evidence (and more bullsquat)



That is what leftists and their cronies ALWAYS say. Their is no evidence   then later when caught in their lies   OK it is true butt it is OK

[Mule 11]

[quote author=Faggodactyl 

If this were even remotely true

You and your ILK would not be so opposed to voter I D

One difference between you and I is I believe what I say

[DDZ]

The old struggle is rich versus poor. 

Claims of massive illegal voting are a hoax. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election's outcome. 

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/four-things-to-know-about-noncitizen-voting/

What is the reason then that not one democrat supports any voter ID Laws? 

[ironglowz]

The old struggle is rich versus poor. 

Claims of massive illegal voting are a hoax. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election's outcome. 

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/four-things-to-know-about-noncitizen-voting/

What is the reason then that not one democrat supports any voter ID Laws?

  No support for voter ID laws.. Proof positive, they do not want clean, clear elections !

  ..Nothing new though, I immediately suspected a scam when voting was handed over to computers, especially one with origins in Venezuela !


   It's hard to hack the old mechanical voting machines or a ballot box carefully watched by all parties!

   ....And also, remember how most often, we used to know by midnight on election Tuesday, who had won the election ?

    Obviously the computer system did not speed things up, but rather %#$@*& things up, so the shysters could steal a win !
 

[Trump1]

Still waiting for proof of the massive illegal voting claimed .......................................................yawn

Meanwhile they have your panties in a bunch over basically nothing. It's distraction and it works!

[Mule 11]

Plenty of proof unless you are a moron?
Ohh sorry

[Mule 11]

Do your own research flounder.
You will not find it on cnn or the unscientific american though

[Trump1]

Probably pure luck but it looks like morons can do research. Ball's in your court Einstein

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare

[ironglowz]

The old struggle is rich versus poor. 

Claims of massive illegal voting are a hoax. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election's outcome. 

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/four-things-to-know-about-noncitizen-voting/

 
  After the primary election circus in Wisconsin last night, the Democrats are accusing each other of cheating. Brad Schimel calms the crowd of party members who are outraged at what they call gross cheating.

 ...Guess Brad would rather swallow the irregularities, than jeopardize the November elections, and so seeks to calm the mob.

   Should not the top insiders of the party, know their party best ?

  https://fox11online.com/news/election/brad-schimel-wisconsin-supreme-court-concession-susan-crawford-democracy-cheating-accusations-donald-trump-alex-jones-elon-musk

 

[Trump1]

The old struggle is rich versus poor. 

Claims of massive illegal voting are a hoax. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election's outcome. 

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/four-things-to-know-about-noncitizen-voting/

 
  After the primary election circus in Wisconsin last night, the Democrats are accusing each other of cheating. Brad Schimel calms the crowd of party members who are outraged at what they call gross cheating.

 ...Guess Brad would rather swallow the irregularities, than jeopardize the November elections, and so seeks to calm the mob.

   Should not the top insiders of the party, know their party best ?

  https://fox11online.com/news/election/brad-schimel-wisconsin-supreme-court-concession-susan-crawford-democracy-cheating-accusations-donald-trump-alex-jones-elon-musk

 

Thank you! That was an awesome article you posted. A few of the important points made:

"Over the past several years, numerous Republicans -- and some Democrats -- have lobbed unfounded accusations of voter fraud, harassed election officials and pointed to "irregularities" to dispute their election losses. President Donald Trump led that movement in 2020, when he filed lawsuits in battleground states, including one thrown out by the Wisconsin Supreme Court, seeking to overturn his loss to Democrat Joe Biden."

"By acknowledging his loss quickly, Schimel curtailed the kind of explanation-seeking and digital digging that erupted online after Trump, a Republican, lost the 2020 presidential election, with citizen journalists falsely accusing innocent election workers and voters of fraud."

"Trump also has continued to falsely claim he won the 2020 presidential election, even though there was no evidence of widespread fraud and the results were confirmed through multiple recounts, reviews and audits. His close adviser, billionaire Elon Musk, has also spread a flurry of unfounded claims about voter fraud involving noncitizens."

As a supporting article this seems like a poor choice for someone trying to promote the voting irregularity conspiracy theory.
But hey, keep em coming

[ironglowz]

From Trump1;

    "By acknowledging his loss quickly, Schimel curtailed the kind of explanation-seeking and digital digging that erupted online after Trump, a Republican, lost the 2020 presidential election, with citizen journalists falsely accusing innocent election workers and voters of fraud."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  Perhaps you misread the story. Schimel was doing his best to try to hold the Commiecrat party together. He realizes that unless he "falls on his sword",
  The Commicrat party may well go down in flames. 

  They may anyway, if just part of their faithful start thinking critically.

[Mule 11]

Brennan center. Just another leftist source for morons who need affirmation of their own deceit

[DDZ]

Probably pure luck but it looks like morons can do research. Ball's in your court Einstein

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare

You still haven't answered the simple question of why you think not one democrat supports voter ID laws.  Illegals voting in this country is the main reason democrats want them here. Democrats give them goodies from the public trough, then create  ways for them to vote knowing they will vote for them since they left them in the gate.

[ironglowz]

Probably pure luck but it looks like morons can do research. Ball's in your court Einstein

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare

You still haven't answered the simple question of why you think not one democrat supports voter ID laws.  Illegals voting in this country is the main reason democrats want them here. Democrats give them goodies from the public trough, then create  ways for them to vote knowing they will vote for them since they left them in the gate.

  The 100% condemnation of honesty in elections, seems to be only with the Commicrat political mob.

  `Surprisingly, a large majority of rank & file Democrats outside of government, do support Voter ID.

    Even NBC news is forced to admit that 83% of American voters favor voter ID, includes 71% Dems, 81% independents and 95% Reps.

   https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/americans-support-photo-id-vote-democrats-oppose-save-america-act-rcna259549

   
...And not surprisingly, black people also favor voter ID by  71%..

[Casull]

Remember too, it was a democrat politician who stated that if the SAVE Act passes, they'll never get another democrat elected.  Wonder why?

[Trump1]

"You still haven't answered the simple question of why you think not one democrat supports voter ID laws."

It's not a simple question and I'm sure there are Democrats who support it.

Here's some reasons:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/anti-voter-save-act-must-be-stopped

https://campaignlegal.org/update/what-you-need-know-about-save-act

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/five-things-to-know-about-the-save-act/

I'm not against Voter ID. I am against restrictive measures to get it.

Illegal voting for goodies is a conspiracy theory. Here's a simple question. Where are all the purported illegal voting/goodies convictions?

[Mule 11]

"You still haven't answered the simple question of why you think not one democrat supports voter ID laws."

It's not a simple question and I'm sure there are Democrats who support it.

Here's some reasons:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/anti-voter-save-act-must-be-stopped

https://campaignlegal.org/update/what-you-need-know-about-save-act

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/five-things-to-know-about-the-save-act/

I'm not against Voter ID. I am against restrictive measures to get it.

Illegal voting for goodies is a conspiracy theory. Here's a simple question. Where are all the purported illegal voting/goodies convictions?
[/quote]

You are disingenuous, just like the rest of your ilk. You are only here to stir the pot and have been banned multiple times yet faggodactyl rides again.

[Mule 11]

I have seen tons of footage of voter fraud on the internet. Matter of fact there is a undercover video by James O Keefe on world net daily right now showing even more voter fraud in Minnesota. You have to not want to see it not to see it. Our country is rife with voter fraud and everyone knows it.

[Mule 11]

Now back to the topic. Time to deport ALL illegal aliens period

[ironglowz]

  Your links issuing complaints are just a rehash of old, worn and fraudulent arguments !

  Those links claim that married, young, old and people of color have trouble showing a proper ID !

   Married: they claim women who changed name at marriage, have trouble getting a proper ID. I checked with several married women including my grand daughter, married about 4 years ago. They/she  all said "no problem", just fill out proper papers, turn in and presto, all done !

  Young: The young start out with a Social Security card, most have a driver's license, and seem to have no trouble getting an ID for buying alcohol, cigarettes etc.

  Elderly: Any elderly citizen should have had many forms of ID over the  last 70,80 or 90 years, don't try to kid us !

  People of color: I know some lefties try to infer that such people are so ignorant that they don't know how to get a proper ID, but most of us doubt that assumption by the left ! For actual citizens, most should already have a functional ID, so they can drive, fly, collect welfare or food stamps, some tickets, rent a car, truck or anything else, even from a rent-a-center, buy alcohol, tobacco or other "adult" items.

  If they don't have an ID already, for genuine citizen one are easily attainable !

 Then your sources resort to the old , worn strategy, claiming that fraudulent voting is rare.  Keep in mind, some elections come down to very few votes !
  ..Some as few as 10 votes...  https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_decided_by_10_votes_or_fewer

  Keeping that in mind, the blue state on New Jersey admits that at least 6,000 in their state alone are voting, who should not be doing so !

    https://abcnews.com/US/new-jersey-accidentally-registered-6600-noncitizens-vote-governor/story?id=134959825


   

 

[Trump1]

One would think that the tons of voter fraud video would have led to tons of convictions or at least tons of arrests.
I think I know what we got tons of 

[Trump1]

There?s no rampant voter fraud. It?s all a distraction
That?s my conspiracy theory and I?m sticking to it!
Peace out

[DDZ]

"You still haven't answered the simple question of why you think not one democrat supports voter ID laws."

It's not a simple question and I'm sure there are Democrats who support it.


Illegal voting for goodies is a conspiracy theory. Here's a simple question. Where are all the purported illegal voting/goodies convictions?

I suppose there is a democrat somewhere in the country who supports voter ID. The house voted 218-213 for the save act. All 213 no votes where democrats.  Every democrat senator voted no. So basically there are zero democrat congressmen in favor of a voter ID.