How do you see the Carlson, Owens & Kelly departure from conservative norms?

[ironglowz]

  It seems quite clear that in recent months, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly have departed from the conservative norm.

   I used to click onto Candace regularly, and partake of notices by Carlson and Kelly's views, agreeing by a high percentage.

  ..But a short time ago, they seem to have taken issue with the broader body of conservatism.

  Have you noticed, do you have a clear idea what those differences constitute, and why the sudden switch?  Let's hear it..

[Bob Riebe]

           Unlike Democrats, self-centered opinion rules over any loyalty to to Conservative doctrine now in office.
           Democrats , regardless of how disgusting party line, defend the party over their own opinion.
           They are mostly god wannabes.

[gypsyman]

  It seems quite clear that in recent months, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly have departed from the conservative norm.

   I used to click onto Candace regularly, and partake of notices by Carlson and Kelly's views, agreeing by a high percentage.

  ..But a short time ago, they seem to have taken issue with the broader body of conservatism.

  Have you noticed, do you have a clear idea what those differences constitute, and why the sudden switch?  Let's hear it..

Their not afraid to question what they think is a bad idea/agenda or political position. At times, when I see the Democrats all in lock step with what the party wants, and not question anything, reminds me of Russia or Germany 80-100 years ago. I'm actually looking at Fretterman and wondering if more politicians had a brain problem like he had, and came out of it, we'd have politicians working for Americans, not a foreign government. When it seemed like the only 3 politicians that were conservative enough to push for release of the Epstein files, MTG, Massie and Rohanna. MTG and Massie got slammed by conservative's because their both Republicans. When you have politicians that vote 90% and up conservative, getting slammed by their own party, they noticed.

[nw_hunter]

  It seems quite clear that in recent months, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly have departed from the conservative norm.

   I used to click onto Candace regularly, and partake of notices by Carlson and Kelly's views, agreeing by a high percentage.

  ..But a short time ago, they seem to have taken issue with the broader body of conservatism.

  Have you noticed, do you have a clear idea what those differences constitute, and why the sudden switch?  Let's hear it..

Their not afraid to question what they think is a bad idea/agenda or political position. At times, when I see the Democrats all in lock step with what the party wants, and not question anything, reminds me of Russia or Germany 80-100 years ago. I'm actually looking at Fretterman and wondering if more politicians had a brain problem like he had, and came out of it, we'd have politicians working for Americans, not a foreign government. When it seemed like the only 3 politicians that were conservative enough to push for release of the Epstein files, MTG, Massie and Rohanna. MTG and Massie got slammed by conservative's because their both Republicans. When you have politicians that vote 90% and up conservative, getting slammed by their own party, they noticed.

They were infected with a disease called  reality. They are true conservatives, and realize we are being played by both parties. Especially at the corporate federal level. There isn't a true ounce of conservatism left in the republican party. They are True Neocons, and I fear Trump has joined them. What happened to America first? No foreign wars? They represent the agenda of the new world order.  We praise Judaism, and ignore Christianity. Our leaders all condemn the actions of the Muslims and attack them in the mid east, but welcome them by the thousands into our country to reek havoc against the American people. We brought thousands of the most radical, criminal of them ( Somali's into the country under Herbert Walker Bush (Republican) and continued under Clinton (Demo) Again under the Rino, GW Bush (Rep) and again under a true Muslim at heart B Obama (Dem). Tucker, Candice, M. T. Green, and Massie are are true conservatives. Most representing us in DC are Conservative in name only. They wouldn't make a pimple on a good conservative republicans Arse!.

[ironglowz]

  It seems quite clear that in recent months, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly have departed from the conservative norm.

   I used to click onto Candace regularly, and partake of notices by Carlson and Kelly's views, agreeing by a high percentage.

  ..But a short time ago, they seem to have taken issue with the broader body of conservatism.

  Have you noticed, do you have a clear idea what those differences constitute, and why the sudden switch?  Let's hear it..

Their not afraid to question what they think is a bad idea/agenda or political position. At times, when I see the Democrats all in lock step with what the party wants, and not question anything, reminds me of Russia or Germany 80-100 years ago. I'm actually looking at Fretterman and wondering if more politicians had a brain problem like he had, and came out of it, we'd have politicians working for Americans, not a foreign government. When it seemed like the only 3 politicians that were conservative enough to push for release of the Epstein files, MTG, Massie and Rohanna. MTG and Massie got slammed by conservative's because their both Republicans. When you have politicians that vote 90% and up conservative, getting slammed by their own party, they noticed.

They were infected with a disease called  reality. They are true conservatives, and realize we are being played by both parties. Especially at the corporate federal level. There isn't a true ounce of conservatism left in the republican party. They are True Neocons, and I fear Trump has joined them. What happened to America first? No foreign wars? They represent the agenda of the new world order.  We praise Judaism, and ignore Christianity. Our leaders all condemn the actions of the Muslims and attack them in the mid east, but welcome them by the thousands into our country to reek havoc against the American people. We brought thousands of the most radical, criminal of them ( Somali's into the country under Herbert Walker Bush (Republican) and continued under Clinton (Demo) Again under the Rino, GW Bush (Rep) and again under a true Muslim at heart B Obama (Dem). Tucker, Candice, M. T. Green, and Massie are are true conservatives. Most representing us in DC are Conservative in name only. They wouldn't make a pimple on a good conservative republicans Arse!.

     https://www.ifmat.org/11/03/khamenei-death-to-america-is-not-a-slogan-its-our-policy/

     https://nypost.com/2026/02/22/world-news/witkoff-warns-iran-week-away-from-bomb-making-material-as-trump-weighs-action/

   The Ayatollah's promise, and then intelligence assessment.......

   Why gamble on when the nukes will be ready to fly ?
.

     

[DDZ]

Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.   

[gypsyman]

Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.   

Exactly!!  Still think Trump was the best choice, but seems like in this term, he's concentrating more on foreign affairs than American problems.And as soon as someone has questioned one of his decisions, they get thrown under the bus. WHY? No president has ever been perfect, but Trump sure thinks he is. Disagree, it's his way, or the highway.

[DDZ]

Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.   

Exactly!!  Still think Trump was the best choice, but seems like in this term, he's concentrating more on foreign affairs than American problems.And as soon as someone has questioned one of his decisions, they get thrown under the bus. WHY? No president has ever been perfect, but Trump sure thinks he is. Disagree, it's his way, or the highway.

Yeah, Trump voters need to look past the idea of Trump being the savior of the free world, and look at what is really happening. I think also Trump was the best choice. But with him reneging on many of his campaign promises, is he still worthy of the deep praise that some Trump supporters are willing to give him? From what I see. Nope!  Just some of the failures. DOGE, Epstein files, No arrests of political criminals, His FBI investigation of Kirk assassination, investigation of his assassination attempt in Butler, Halting removal of all illegals because it became unpopular, Attacking Iran with no exit strategy, Our forever involvement in foreign affairs costing tax payers more money, the ever increasing federal debt, etc... Tucker and the like talking about it now makes them the bad guys.     

[Mule 11]

There’s a article at Americanthinker.com titled, Trump is defeating Iran and Deep State Foreign
Policy. that has a more conservative take on this. I knew it was important because it kept crashing long before I could read it.

[DDZ]

There’s a article at Americanthinker.com titled, Trump is defeating Iran and Deep State Foreign
Policy. that has a more conservative take on this. I knew it was important because it kept crashing long before I could read it.

word was from Trump and Hegseth that Iran's anti air defenses were completely non existent. An F-15 has been shot down, and just yesterday An A10 was shot down and another hit that made it back to base. Keep hearing we won but now ground forces are ready to be moved in. Hasn't been a war in history that we won by dropping bombs and missiles from planes.  As far as Trump beating the deep state foreign policy. He would be better off defeating the deep state within our own government. Not sure what happened with drain the swamp, but the FBI, and DOJ are still quite infected with swamp creatures. Among other branches of government.   

[Bob Riebe]

           Them saying that was stupid at the least.  Iran's digital air defenses may be totally gone but manual defenses can only be totally destroyed in there is if no one left to pull a trigger.
           This will cause either to think twice before blathering blathering.
           There was no excuse other than arrogance for them to have made those statements, especially Hegseth.

           In the Balkans a mostly destroyed air defense shot down an F-117, some today are not paying attention.

[ironglowz]

Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.

 

  First off; I don't "hate on" anybody, but I do call out misrepresentations when i see them. Hatred is a slow , drawn out, self poisoning venture, of which I choose not
   to participate.

  So far as Tucker, Candace or MTG are concerned, for them to stand on one side of the fence for years, then suddenly vault over to the other side, requires at the least,
    a valid explanation.

   It is what anyone who wishes to maintain their podcast participation list should do. ...And I have not heard any such clarification yet !

   I don't keep any score of how badly Democrats or Republicans are "offended", since I am not a "party person"..

    ..But I do compare statements made by various talking heads, to ascertain how accurate, consistent and true to history they adhere.

      It seems that the first two mentioned at least, have turned 180 degrees from their previous stances.
 
  For instance, Tucker seems to believe that we (the USA), should have allied ourselves with Hitler. 

   https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/08/should-we-have-allied-with-hitler/

  ..And both Tucker and Candace, seem to have suddenly formed a prejudice against what may well be the most unprovokedly hated group of people, the Jews.

    Whether they thought their transformation would build their subscriptions, i do not know.  However, I used to click 0nto their podcasts regularly, but no longer.

  Their big switch without explanation evokes all kinds of thoughts..   Islamic money or threats, corporate persuasion, or seeking larger audience..who knows?

 
  Then there is your earlier statement, which I move to correct..   
    "
Yeah, Trump voters need to look past the idea of Trump being the savior of the free world, and look at what is really happening"

   Sorry...there is only ONE Savior of the world, and He is not Pres Trump....  He is a humble Jewish carpenter, who walked this earth 2,000 years ago !

[ironglowz]

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Funny how many now are hating on Tucker, Candice, MTG, etc.. when they were all liked not long ago when they were speaking out against the wrongs of the democrat party. They haven't changed, they are just speaking the truth about the republican party, including the Trump administration. And lots of MAGA supporters don't want to hear it.
[/quote] 

  First off; I don't "hate on" anybody, but I do call out misrepresentations when i see them. Hatred is a slow , drawn out, self poisoning venture, of which I choose not
   to participate.

  So far as Tucker, Candace or MTG are concerned, for them to stand on one side of the fence for years, then suddenly vault over to the other side, requires at the least,
    a valid explanation.

   It is what anyone who wishes to maintain their podcast participation list should do. ...And I have not heard any such clarification yet !

   I don't keep any score of how badly Democrats or Republicans are "offended", since I am not a "party person"..

    ..But I do compare statements made by various talking heads, to ascertain how accurate, consistent and true to history they adhere.

      It seems that the first two mentioned at least, have turned 180 degrees from their previous stances.
 
  For instance, Tucker seems to believe that we (the USA), should have allied ourselves with Hitler. 

   https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/08/should-we-have-allied-with-hitler/

  ..And both Tucker and Candace, seem to have suddenly formed a prejudice against what may well be the most unprovokedly hated group of people, the Jews.

    Whether they thought their transformation would build their subscriptions, i do not know.  However, I used to click 0nto their podcasts regularly, but no longer.

  Their big switch without explanation evokes all kinds of thoughts..   Islamic money or threats, corporate persuasion, or seeking larger audience..who knows?

 
  Then there is your earlier statement, which I move to correct..     
   
     "Yeah, Trump voters need to look past the idea of Trump being the savior of the free world, and look at what is really happening"

   Sorry...there is only ONE Savior of the world, and He is not Pres Trump !  He is a humble Jewish carpenter, who walked this earth 2,000 years ago !

[Mule 11]

I find it “ interesting “ that with all of President Trumps many accomplishments, the media and it’s sycophants only mention the .003% of failure…

[ironglowz]

  Interesting how these detractors such as Tucker, suddenly it seems about 1 and 1/2 years ago, suddenly flipped. ..Flipped from backing Christianity, Israel, capitalism,
   to a point where they are today.

        It starts with antisemitism, then goes on to anti capitalism, and then anti Americanism.

   I will stand with the people Tucker has disparaged.. Mike Huckaby, President Trump and Ted Cruz and Christians who believe Israel should exist, for example ! ..But i will stand against those who he has praised, such as Hitler, and his type.

  Ted Cruz confronts the  "Tucker take' on reality, which seems deranged.  Ted says that the sudden turn from one position to another of about 180 degrees different,
    seems to indicate a big payoff, of possibly of millions.

   Iran TV has regularly played Tucker's podcast, and the Muslim Brotherhood has regularly utilized them !

   You who appear to endorse Tucker's new found discovery, have evidently watched plenty of Tucker's videos, so how about giving Ted's view a few minutes?

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVQYxot9Gvg&t=14s

   Curiously, Tucker and Ted did meet at one point, where Ted, being a knowledgeable Christian, quoted a verse, explaining why we should back Israel, while Tucker,
   apparently being a nominal Christian, didn't seem to have a clue, while Ted couldn't give it's exact location.

   https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4YgM2dswgdw

  For elucidation of both, the Abrahamic Covenant is located in (Genesis 12:1-3), and it is an unconditional covenant !

   

   

   

[Bob Riebe]

   
           I saw Carlson turning into a Rino long before he was kicked off of Fox; he is becoming another Morning Joe.

[nw_hunter]

How about this from departure from Conservative norms. As a Christian I find the Presidents words extremely inappropriate for a Conservative Christian President on the day of celebration of Christ's resurrection.

Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson tore into Donald Trump on Monday night, calling an Easter Sunday social media post from the U.S. president “vile on every level” and accusing him of threatening to commit a war crime.

“How dare you speak that way on Easter morning to the country?” Carlson said in a monologue on his podcast. “Who do you think you are? You’re tweeting out the f-word on Easter morning.”










“Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fing’ Strait, you crazy b's, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah,” the president wrote on his social media platform.

I totally agree with Carlson! Sounds like our President is losing it. He should have stuck to Nation building (Ours) and stayed out of foreign conflicts.

[gypsyman]

How about this from departure from Conservative norms. As a Christian I find the Presidents words extremely inappropriate for a Conservative Christian President on the day of celebration of Christ's resurrection.

Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson tore into Donald Trump on Monday night, calling an Easter Sunday social media post from the U.S. president “vile on every level” and accusing him of threatening to commit a war crime.

“How dare you speak that way on Easter morning to the country?” Carlson said in a monologue on his podcast. “Who do you think you are? You’re tweeting out the f-word on Easter morning.”










“Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fing’ Strait, you crazy b's, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah,” the president wrote on his social media platform.

I totally agree with Carlson! Sounds like our President is losing it. He should have stuck to Nation building (Ours) and stayed out of foreign conflicts.

Trump better take a step back and realize just what he's pushing. He gets this country into another ME war that goes on for a couple years, the fallout in this country will be 100 times greater than Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other, and last for years. Oil being the major energy supply, the economy in this country will take a major hit. Hope it doesn't happen, but, I wouldn't bet against it.

[DDZ]

   
           I saw Carlson turning into a Rino long before he was kicked off of Fox; he is becoming another Morning Joe.

That's laughable. Tucker isn't becoming anything other than what he has always been. Since the republicans ae in power, Tucker is now calling out their BS, and many that voted for Trump are not liking it, so they attack the messenger. Lots of Trump voters have become blind to what's actually happening.  There isn't a democrat and a republican party anymore. Its a uni-party. 

[DDZ]

Anyone of the "Trump can do no wrong" group care to explain how Tucker is wrong in this video?  Or how this makes Tucker a RINO from what he says?  The video is long but the first 40 minutes is sufficient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykBp1WhdfLE

[Bob Riebe]

           The Christian Faith has zero to do with whether or not one is a Rino.
           If Carlson would shut his mouth and just listen rather than , like Hannity, inserting his most often worthless personnel opinion
he would come across much better.
           He is as guilty of the power corrupts disease as White.

           At that this woman is a self centered pimp-god wannabe, who is an insult to Christianity, but amazingly
It seems her son does not want to be involved in her BS version of the Christian Faith.
           Because of what she is , is why, Trump has found her so appealing; She knows how to play him like a fiddle.

[Mule 11]

I found Donald Trump’s remarks to be great. I guess swearing and threatening are only OK on any day that is not considered to be a day of religious servitude. I guess God is more offended on Sunday then any other day. I also find Tucker to be a turd anymore due to his stupidity regardless of what President Trump thinks of him and tire of some using the democrats ploys of “ you only do, think or are because you are Trumps cheerleader as if I don’t think for myself add nauseum.

[nw_hunter]

You think using four letter words  on social media from the President of the USA is great??

[Mule 11]

I say his actions speak for themselves and he got his message across loud and clear… you and tucker have a lot more to be offended by then him dropping the f bomb without looking very far and not from him… Also I see that some here’s hero Marjorie Taylor Greene is calling for President Trumps removal. What a maroon.

[nw_hunter]

I don't have hero's in politics or media. There are few real hero's in either. Carson, Marjorie T. Greene and others like them that have supported Trump from day one are disappointed in Trump the way he is acting now and are paying the price for telling us the truth about the man. I am ashamed of his conduct. I have voted for the man in every election, and worked with others in my district to help get him elected, as others on this forum have also.

I didn't vote for Trump because he was a Republican! Both parties are corrupted beyond redemption IMO. Most of us voted because he wasn't a career politician., And he promised to get rid of these illegal hordes coming into our country, to put America first, and keep us out of these continuous wars created by the elite. I think he did a pretty good job on our border problem, but is not keeping America first by what he is doing recently. The Military Industrial Complex is  running things, and it looks like they are running Trump as well. With help from the leaders of Israel. Do you remember Pat Buchannan? One of the most Conservative Republicans in America. When asked why he left the Conservative Republican party, he said he didn't.....It left me. I think people like Greene, Massey, Tucker and many others feel the same way. Me and other voters as well.

[ironglowz]

I don't have hero's in politics or media. There are few real hero's in either. Carson, Marjorie T. Greene and others like them that have supported Trump from day one are disappointed in Trump the way he is acting now and are paying the price for telling us the truth about the man. I am ashamed of his conduct. I have voted for the man in every election, and worked with others in my district to help get him elected, as others on this forum have also.

I didn't vote for Trump because he was a Republican! Both parties are corrupted beyond redemption IMO. Most of us voted because he wasn't a career politician., And he promised to get rid of these illegal hordes coming into our country, to put America first, and keep us out of these continuous wars created by the elite. I think he did a pretty good job on our border problem, but is not keeping America first by what he is doing recently. The Military Industrial Complex is  running things, and it looks like they are running Trump as well. With help from the leaders of Israel. Do you remember Pat Buchannan? One of the most Conservative Republicans in America. When asked why he left the Conservative Republican party, he said he didn't.....It left me. I think people like Greene, Massey, Tucker and many others feel the same way. Me and other voters as well.

  I don't see it the same way I guess.  What truths are they telling about Trump, and in which way are they paying a price?  ..And what is the price they are paying?

  He did do  a great job in shutting the border, and is pursuing alien criminals who also broke the law coming into our country   

   Has he removed all of them?  No, but he has pulled out many, considering the legal battles that combined lobbyists, the entire Democrat party and lefty, crooked judges have been waging against him !

   Perfect no...but give me name of one electable who could do better.  I believe we have both seen certain people elected that we have had great hopes for, only to
   see our hopes dashed.

  Regarding the military/industrial complex, it doesn't look to me that they have a huge hold on him.  Venezuela fell in about half and hour..  ...No casualties on our side,
  No costly armaments or munitions ordered for the operation.  Surely, the M/I complex would have opted for a longer, more materiel heavy conflict.

   ...And it looks like Cuba may fall without any war or extensive hardware purchases, and not a many years long, drawn out action, which would fill the pockets of M/O complex.

     What is happening in Iran will likely  come to a conclusion soon...not to compare with the 9 years wasted in Vietnam, the 8 years in Iraq, or the 20 years blown in Afghanistan.

   With the USA being the #1 target of a soon nuclear capable Iranian fanatical regime in this most recent conflict, we must be grateful for the assistance of the
  only democracy in the middle east area.. Israel..

   Curiously, Greene, Massey, Owens and Carlson seem to share one common aversion...a distaste and dislike for Israel and Jews.

   I have long observed and enjoyed the podcasts of Owens and Carlson, and appreciated Greene for her willingness to confront the lefty/climate change goofballs !

  However the world order changeover seemed too abrupt to allow confidence in it's authenticity..

   Does it trouble you that so many MAGA folks are  vastly disappointed in these 3-4 people ?  Does it give you pause to hear a man such as Ted Cruz suggest that there could be some Iran/ Islamist money, perhaps millions, involved?
.

[nw_hunter]

IG Said


  I don't see it the same way I guess.  I see that.What truths are they telling about Trump, and in which way are they paying a price?  ..And what is the price they are paying? You have got be kidding! She was one of Trumps biggest supporters during his runs for the presidency. Tucker as well from an journalists perspective. As soon as they disagreed with him on any topic, they went from the best ever, to idiots who have let the left corrupt them. They have become the enemy to 90% of leaders on the right side of the isle.

  He did do  a great job in shutting the border, and is pursuing alien criminals who also broke the law coming into our country   

   Has he removed all of them?  No, but he has pulled out many, considering the legal battles that combined lobbyists, the entire Democrat party and lefty, crooked judges have been waging against him ! They both gave him credit for the job of getting these criminals out of our country, and securing the border.

   Perfect no...but give me name of one electable who could do better.  I believe we have both seen certain people elected that we have had great hopes for, only to
   see our hopes dashed.

  Regarding the military/industrial complex, it doesn't look to me that they have a huge hold on him.  Venezuela fell in about half and hour..  ...No casualties on our side,
  No costly armaments or munitions ordered for the operation.  Surely, the M/I complex would have opted for a longer, more materiel heavy conflict. You need to get educated about politics my friend.....The worlds biggest exporter of weapons of war is the USA........ Russia, China , Germany, France aren't even close. As a matter of fact, if you add them all together, they don't come close. The USA leads with 42%. The others combined about 29%. The Military complex loves wars. They feed off them, and well.

   ...And it looks like Cuba may fall without any war or extensive hardware purchases, and not a many years long, drawn out action, which would fill the pockets of M/O complex. Small potato's.

     What is happening in Iran will likely  come to a conclusion soon... LOL! you really think so? I think it's just getting started.not to compare with the 9 years wasted in Vietnam, the 8 years in Iraq, or the 20 years blown in Afghanistan.

   With the USA being the #1 target of a soon nuclear capable Iranian fanatical regime in this most recent conflict, we must be grateful for the assistance of the
  only democracy in the middle east area.. Israel.. I thought we were assisting them? It is obviously about regime change. Just like regime change in Venezuela. OOPS! my bad! That was about drugs!

   Curiously, Greene, Massey, Owens and Carlson seem to share one common aversion...a distaste and dislike for Israel and Jews.

   I have long observed and enjoyed the podcasts of Owens and Carlson, and appreciated Greene for her willingness to confront the lefty/climate change goofballs !

  However the world order changeover seemed too abrupt to allow confidence in it's authenticity..

   Does it trouble you that so many MAGA folks are  vastly disappointed in these 3-4 people ? NO! It troubles me that so many voters who have supported Trump are now worried about his actions, and think it may give the Democrats a lot of ammo come next elects. Does it give you pause to hear a man such as Ted Cruz suggest that there could be some Iran/ Islamist money, perhaps millions, involved? I'm not even going waste my fingers telling you how much I dislike about the Canadian Ted C. But here's what I like about him.

[ironglowz]

  Discussion with NW;

    ME: Regarding the military/industrial complex, it doesn't look to me that they have a huge hold on him.  Venezuela fell in about half and hour..  ...No casualties on our side. .. No costly armaments or munitions ordered for the operation.  Surely, the M/I complex would have opted for a longer, more materiel heavy conflict.

  From NW: You need to get educated about politics my friend.....The worlds biggest exporter of weapons of war is the USA........ Russia, China , Germany, France aren't even close. As a matter of fact, if you add them all together, they don't come close. The USA leads with 42%. The others combined about 29%. The Military complex loves wars. They feed off them, and well.

  Me:  Sure; but what has that to do with Venezuela, Cuba, or the drug boat navy being sunk?  Thus far in Iran, currently owned and paid for weapons are  being used, as well as on hand munitions !  ..Yes; the munitions will have to be replaced...which is nothing, compared to the $85 billion in perfectly good weapons and munitions handed to the enemy by the Biden bunch !

   Yes; we sell more military equipment than other nations but as in any business, if you have the very best product at a similar price, customers will come to your door.

  It's about the old story..."build a better mouse trap "!
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  Concerning Venezuela...  Can you tell me of another nation in the last 2-3 centuries, that has been conquered and the leadership replaced in half an hour, with NO CASUALTIES on the conqueror's side ?

  ...And likely there is no such comparable incidence in history !

[ironglowz]

You think using four letter words  on social media from the President of the USA is great??

  I dislike anyone spewing such garbage from their mouth..  Trump was wrong, but far from alone.

   But remember when.. Joe Biden whispered those sweet nothings into Obama's ear?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSNEzraoQMU

   Then Obama whispered sweet surrender into Russian ears.. which is worse ?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQGsT44rVjk

   In all due respect however, the champs at filthy , unashamed talk, is the woke left !  ..In fact, much of the left...