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[Dee]

So…you are claiming that a passage from a book written 34 centuries ago constitutes a valid deed. Is that correct?

Yes, he's repeating what I had already said in my post #17. He does that quite often, not sure why, maybe that him saying it carries more weight, but yes, that's what he's repeating.
He doesn't understand that you don't accept the biblical truth.

      Sorry Dee...but after your last hiatus, you seemed to come back with a more pacific attitude, and we got along quite well...for a short time.

  However, it did not take long for you to resort to your customary negative ways, which soon transformed into verbal attacks.
   
    My echoing of your thoughts in the above incident, was simply an effort to be conciliatory, and perhaps bring back a more respectful exchange !

  ...But alas, rather than your accepting the proffered olive branch, it only seems to have invited more impudent attacks. Sorry, but I tried..

 

I am aware that as always your totally innocent and never at fault. And that our differences are almost always in regards to biblical truths, and false doctrines. Other than that one issue, we mostly agree.
You have a propensity to drag in untruths, and biblical  theories that have  ZERO BIBLICAL BACKING, such as your first church where the apostles met thread, and there are folks that while they don't post here are hoping to learn biblical truth which you often have trouble with just to look knowledgeable. And  then when  challenged you crawfish.
I on the other hand see dealing out scriptural falsehood, and theoretical claims detrimental to new Christians, and those searching,  so I feel as a Christian I should, and do, dispute your fantasies.
Take the thread i mentioned of yours with your disingenuous title the very first church...where the apostles assembled. The thread started out with a lie, and you defended  it.That nonsense has to date been visited and read 5095 times.

BTW, I'm not attacking you, I'm disagreeing with some (not all) of the "stuff" your trying to pass off as biblical truth. When you throw some of that "stuff" out there you can't expect everyone to agree with you just because you say it is.

[ironglowz]

  Dee; Your concern about the church which I posited as likely one of the very first churches in Christendom, may well be something you should look into.

   Please understand, archaeology is not a 100% proof endeavor..it is more a detective work..utilizing evidence;.. allowing very convincing evidence and discarding questionable evidence.

  Before DNA, many a person was given a capital sentence, by the same investigative methods.; possibly in the same jurisdiction where you were employed.

 ...And DNA can be questioned in some circumstances.

  There is much to enjoy about the history and nuances of Christianity, throughout the very early years, up through it's struggles, persecutions and victories of the last 20 centuries.

  That article I posted should in no way alarm you, nor will it have any negative effect upon current potential converts. In fact, it may encourage those with an enquiring mind to pursue a closer relationship with Christ AND a deep study of Christian theology, archaeology, philosophy and thought beyond the Bible alone.

  Yes, the Bible should be the primary source and handbook .  ...But there is such a wide world of related knowledge to pursue, that a serious Christian would have to be   
   lethargic and quite droll, to pass up the chance to learn more.

  I would be pleased to address your concerns about Biblical subjects at any time; that is providing we can confer in a respectful, non-accusatory manner.

   Meanwhile; here are a bevy of scholars, discussing that "first church" you are so concerned about...

  First, the Biblical Archaeology Society..a group of scholars who are there and work at these discoveries every day. 

   https://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/article/church-of-the-apostles-found-on-mt-zion/

  Next other professional persons or groups involved in the same profession;, all in agreement;
  http://centuryone.org/apostles.html

  https://jamestabor.com/church-of-the-apostles-found-on-mt-zion/

  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307582585_The_Ancient_Church_of_the_Apostles_Revisiting_Jerusalem's_Cenacle_and_David's_Tomb


  .....Plenty more where those  came from, ...if you need them..

 

[Dee]

  Dee; Your concern about the church which I posited as likely one of the very first churches in Christendom, may well be something you should look into.

That isn't what you posted. You said it was THE VERY "FIRST CHURCH".. WHERE THE APOSTLS ASSEMBLED. I didn't misquote you. You're tryin to Deflec
t

   Please understand, archaeology is not a 100% proof endeavor..it is more a detective work..utilizing evidence;.. allowing very convincing evidence and discarding questionable evidence.

I completely understand about archeology, now your still deflecting as if I'm ignorant of archeology.  I'm not. Your thread claim was intentionally misleading.

  Before DNA, many a person was given a capital sentence, by the same investigative methods.; possibly in the same jurisdiction where you were employed.

This has nuthin to do with intentionally misleading people.

 ...And DNA can be questioned in some circumstances.

We aren't talking about DNA, we're talking about false claims with ZERO biblical backing.

  There is much to enjoy about the history and nuances of Christianity, throughout the very early years, up through it's struggles, persecutions and victories of the last 20 centuries.

That's isn't the issue here, the issue is you claimin something that isn't true.

  That article I posted should in no way alarm you, nor will it have any negative effect upon current potential converts. In fact, it may encourage those with an enquiring mind to pursue a closer relationship with Christ AND a deep study of Christian theology, archaeology, philosophy and thought beyond the Bible alone.

You don't get to decide what may, or may not alarm me. What I'm talking about,  you do on a regular basis, and I don'tbuy into it occasionally. The religious forum, is like all other forums.
 
 Yes, the Bible should be the primary source and handbook .  ...But there is such a wide world of related knowledge to pursue, that a serious Christian would have to be   
   lethargic and quite droll, to pass up the chance to learn more.

And should you use the Bible as your "source" I will be "a good little Berean" and check the validity.  God likes Bereans.
If its related,  say it's "related", without the sensationalism of false claims,  and "click bait" tactics.

  I would be pleased to address your concerns about Biblical subjects at any time; that is providing we can
confer in a respectful, non-accusatory manner.

I don't have any "concerns" regarding "biblical subjects", my concerns are misleading clickbait tactics leading people down a false trail.

   Meanwhile; here are a bevy of scholars, discussing that "first church" you are so concerned about...

  First, the Biblical Archaeology Society..a group of scholars who are there and work at these discoveries every day. 

   https://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/article/church-of-the-apostles-found-on-mt-zion/

  Next other professional persons or groups involved in the same profession;, all in agreement;
  http://centuryone.org/apostles.html

  https://jamestabor.com/church-of-the-apostles-found-on-mt-zion/

  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307582585_The_Ancient_Church_of_the_Apostles_Revisiting_Jerusalem's_Cenacle_and_David's_Tomb


  .....Plenty more where those  came from, ...if you need them..

I consider "Bible scholars" in the same class as catholic priests. Legends in their own minds, and in your mind also. 
While you believe yourself superior in "biblical history" to myself and others, I assure you, your the only one that believes that.
Should you at some point post YOUR OPINION on scripture,  not someone else's,  I might find that interesting enough to participate.
 

[ironglowz]

  Dee; Your concern about the church which I posited as likely one of the very first churches in Christendom, may well be something you should look into.

That isn't what you posted. You said it was THE VERY "FIRST CHURCH".. WHERE THE APOSTLS ASSEMBLED. I didn't misquote you. You're tryin to Deflec
t

   Please understand, archaeology is not a 100% proof endeavor..it is more a detective work..utilizing evidence;.. allowing very convincing evidence and discarding questionable evidence.

I completely understand about archeology, now your still deflecting as if I'm ignorant of archeology.  I'm not. Your thread claim was intentionally misleading.

  Before DNA, many a person was given a capital sentence, by the same investigative methods.; possibly in the same jurisdiction where you were employed.

This has nuthin to do with intentionally misleading people.

 ...And DNA can be questioned in some circumstances.

We aren't talking about DNA, we're talking about false claims with ZERO biblical backing.

  There is much to enjoy about the history and nuances of Christianity, throughout the very early years, up through it's struggles, persecutions and victories of the last 20 centuries.

That's isn't the issue here, the issue is you claimin something that isn't true.

  That article I posted should in no way alarm you, nor will it have any negative effect upon current potential converts. In fact, it may encourage those with an enquiring mind to pursue a closer relationship with Christ AND a deep study of Christian theology, archaeology, philosophy and thought beyond the Bible alone.

You don't get to decide what may, or may not alarm me. What I'm talking about,  you do on a regular basis, and I don'tbuy into it occasionally. The religious forum, is like all other forums.
 
 Yes, the Bible should be the primary source and handbook .  ...But there is such a wide world of related knowledge to pursue, that a serious Christian would have to be   
   lethargic and quite droll, to pass up the chance to learn more.

And should you use the Bible as your "source" I will be "a good little Berean" and check the validity.  God likes Bereans.
If its related,  say it's "related", without the sensationalism of false claims,  and "click bait" tactics.

  I would be pleased to address your concerns about Biblical subjects at any time; that is providing we can
confer in a respectful, non-accusatory manner.

I don't have any "concerns" regarding "biblical subjects", my concerns are misleading clickbait tactics leading people down a false trail.

   Meanwhile; here are a bevy of scholars, discussing that "first church" you are so concerned about...

  First, the Biblical Archaeology Society..a group of scholars who are there and work at these discoveries every day. 

   https://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/article/church-of-the-apostles-found-on-mt-zion/

  Next other professional persons or groups involved in the same profession;, all in agreement;
  http://centuryone.org/apostles.html

  https://jamestabor.com/church-of-the-apostles-found-on-mt-zion/

  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307582585_The_Ancient_Church_of_the_Apostles_Revisiting_Jerusalem's_Cenacle_and_David's_Tomb


  .....Plenty more where those  came from, ...if you need them..

I consider "Bible scholars" in the same class as catholic priests. Legends in their own minds, and in your mind also. 
While you believe yourself superior in "biblical history" to myself and others, I assure you, your the only one that believes that.
Should you at some point post YOUR OPINION on scripture,  not someone else's,  I might find that interesting enough to participate.
 

  OK..so show us where I ever said my knowledge is superior to any others here.  I doubt you have the receipts,  because I doubt I ever said such a thing !



   Interesting however, it is to note that you think Biblical scholars are simply dummies and all Catholic priests are morons..but Dee is totally correct  Some priests are quite learned, and in fact, they are some of the top such scholars in selected fields.

    It was for instance, Fr Roland de Vaux, who led the team that interpreted the Dead Sea scrolls.
 
... And the non-Catholic members of the team had no problem with his scholarship !

  You say I do nothing but quote others... So just how then do you know if or if not, I sound at all "superior", since you have none of my original statements ?

   On the other hand, you're the retired lawman, so shouldn't you be presenting evidence to prove your contentions?

  So; in the final analysis, I guess the only one worth listening to in this matter , is not the priests, scholars or church elders..but Dee alone...

  So as they say at BK..."have it your way!"

[Dee]

 

[ironglowz]

   C'est la vie !