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https://www.newsmax.com/us/shooter-charlie-kirk-utah/2025/09/11/id/1226019/

By Eric Mack    |   Thursday, 11 September 2025 09:48 AM EDT

Authorities say they have tracked the suspected gunman's movements before, during, and after the fatal campus shooting that killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk and have recovered what they believe to be the weapon used.

Officials said the suspect arrived near the Utah Valley University campus at 11:52 a.m., moved through stairwells to a rooftop, fired from a shooting position, then fled across the roof, jumped from the building, and escaped into a nearby neighborhood. Investigators canvassed the area with witnesses and doorbell cameras.

"We do have good video footage of this individual. We are not going to release that at this time," an official said, noting forensic technologies are being used to identify the suspect.

Investigators confirmed they recovered a high-powered bolt-action rifle in a wooded area where the shooter fled. The FBI lab will analyze the weapon, along with collected footwear impressions, a palm print, and forearm imprints.

"The FBI laboratory will be analyzing this weapon," FBI Special Agent in Charge Robert Bowles said, adding that more than 130 tips have already come in.

Authorities confirmed they have clear video of the suspect, described as appearing "college-age," but are not yet releasing images publicly.

"If we are unsuccessful in identifying them immediately, we will reach out for the public's help," Bowles said.

Officials stressed the shooting was a targeted attack and that the wider community is not believed to be at risk. The investigation remains ongoing with local, state, and federal agencies involved.

"The FBI has brought every resource to bear, and we will continue to do so throughout the course of this investigation," an official said.


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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2025, 04:45:35 AM »
  Good, hope they find this guy today! And, since they already have a history on him, should help settle this ASAP. Glad Utah still has the death penalty, and the governor has already mentioned it.
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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2025, 05:26:29 AM »
I heard it was a 30-06 bolt action rifle, and they have a hand print on it.  Problem is if he is not in the system, they will have a harder time trying to find him. 
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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2025, 06:31:03 AM »
  ACLJ claims they have a photo of the assassin..right here.     https://www.facebook.com/theACLJ

  His whole MO too closely resembles the MO of the now dead guy who shot the president !

  Hmmm.. wonder what is printed on his shirt ? Anybody recognize it ?

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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2025, 10:33:53 AM »
https://www.newsmax.com/us/assassin-transgender-antifascist/2025/09/11/id/1226026/

Ammunition found in the rifle believed to have been used in the fatal shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk was reportedly engraved with slogans linked to transgender and antifascist ideology.

Newsmax could not independently verify the claims from reported Justice Department emails. The FBI declined to comment.

President Donald Trump and authorities have gendered the suspected male assassin, and  "college-age."

"They have a virtual manhunt out there, so we'll see what happens, but we hope we get him," Trump told CNN.

A DOJ source told Newsmax on background, because they were not authorized to speak to this aspect of the investigation, the evidence uncovered will be released when the administration deems it appropriate to do so.

Because the investigation is active and the shooter remains at large, any information on the markings or shooter's ideology will not be shared publicly at this time, the source stressed.

The DOJ is urging reporters to not share unverified reports as the high-priority and sensitive investigation unfolds.

"As this is an ongoing investigation, the FBI declines to comment," the FBI National Press Office emailed in a statement.

According to an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the case, the older-model .30 caliber hunting rifle was recovered in the woods near Utah Valley University, where Kirk, 31, was shot Wednesday while speaking at a Turning Point USA event, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

The weapon was wrapped in a towel and had one spent cartridge in the chamber and three unspent rounds in the magazine, all bearing engravings, according to sources.

Videos of the attack show Kirk was onstage debating a student about mass shootings involving transgender people when he was targeted. Authorities have not publicly identified the student or announced any arrests.

The FBI and local police continue to investigate the shooting.

Video posted to social media showed Kirk speaking at a debate hosted by his nonprofit organization at Utah Valley University. He had been taking questions from the crowd.

A man in a gray shirt and glasses asked Kirk, "How many transgenders have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?"

Kirk replied, "Too many."

The first part of the man's next question is muffled, but he does ask Kirk, "Now five is a lot, I'm going to give you some credit. Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?"

Kirk replied, "Counting or not counting gang violence?"

He was then shot in the neck.


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Kirk Assassin Deliberate in Choice of Shooting Location
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2025, 10:51:44 AM »
https://www.newsmax.com/us/charlie-kirk-assassin-shooting/2025/09/11/id/1226097/

Charlie Kirk's killer is believed to have deliberately selected a rooftop that allowed for a quick escape and the ability to be "miles and miles away" within minutes, according to a retired FBI expert.

The Washington Post reported that the shooter -- who remained at large as of midday Thursday -- fired a single, fatal shot from the top of the Losee Center Building at Utah Valley University, about 200 yards from where Kirk was seated under a pop-up tent, addressing an audience of roughly 3,000 people, authorities said.

"If you come off that roof -- and I've seen the drone footage of this -- there's an open-air parking lot behind that building," retired FBI supervising agent James Gagliano told Fox & Friends.

"It's spitting distance from I-15 ... a major thoroughfare there," Gagliano added.

"So this is a big concern because this person, within 3-5 minutes of that shot going off, that person could have been in a vehicle on his way out and miles and miles away. Provo Airport's only about 45 minutes from there," he continued, suggesting the shooter could have quickly left the state.

Kirk, 31, a married father of two, was fatally struck in the neck during the outdoor college event on Wednesday. The gunfire caused panic among students, who screamed and fled as Kirk collapsed.

Video footage captured just after the gunshot appears to show a small, dark figure running across a rooftop in the distance as the crowd ducked for cover. Another recording from earlier shows a figure lying prone on the same rooftop from which the shot was fired. Kirk was hit moments later.

"People are suggesting this was a professional hit. And yet from that distance, we're talking a little over 500 feet, just short of 200 yards, that's not a tough shot with a rifle, if this suspect had a scope," Gagliano said. "It's a very easy shot."


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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2025, 11:17:58 AM »
I'm seeing reports that the rifle used was a Mauser in 30.06.  Likely untraceable.
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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2025, 11:29:13 AM »
I'm seeing reports that the rifle used was a Mauser in 30.06.  Likely untraceable.

   Not necessarily, if trade in recent years, since the K98s were numbered.

   https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/mauser-oberndorf-k98k-serial-studies-and-data-1934-to-1946.23/

  But there are of course, other ways to secure such a rifle..
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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2025, 03:10:14 AM »
 Read the same article as Greybeard, and was thinking that it was a professional hit. Not many of the LGBTQ crowd are in shape enough to climb to the  top of a building, take the shot, jump off and wrap the rifle up and disappear that quick. And the markings on the ammo, a diversionary tactic. The Mauser is an easy find at a gun show, seen thousands of them over the years. Only people that really pay attention to them are collectors, most shooters now days want the semi auto's and such. At this point,that guy could be just about any where in the world.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2025, 03:26:35 AM »
Read the same article as Greybeard, and was thinking that it was a professional hit. Not many of the LGBTQ crowd are in shape enough to climb to the  top of a building, take the shot, jump off and wrap the rifle up and disappear that quick. And the markings on the ammo, a diversionary tactic. The Mauser is an easy find at a gun show, seen thousands of them over the years. Only people that really pay attention to them are collectors, most shooters now days want the semi auto's and such. At this point,that guy could be just about any where in the world.

   Conversations with my grandson , tells me that the shooter was not a highly trained sniper. the shooter fired from a relatively high roof, apparently trrying for a head shot..but he didn't compensate for the extreme angle, so the shot hit low. 

  Obviously tried for a head shot, which at 200 yards would be a easy shot..but he missed th eelevation correction and was off right by a couple inches on a still day.

   Normally a sniper would rather shoot from one window among many..further confusing the issue, plus capturing much of the sound..and the flash..if it were a shot in   low light.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2025, 03:37:22 AM »
 Hopefully they caught the guy. Just seen it on the news!!
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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2025, 04:38:38 AM »
The guy is caught. I've posted a thread about it here.

I still do not understand where all the talk of it being a Mauser is coming from. I've seen no officials involved say it was a Mauser. They have said it is a '30-06. Most military Mausers are a bit short for the '06 round. Until I hear from the FBI or local cops out there it's a Mauser I'm going to ignore that idea.

The angle just was not steep enough to need correction from 200 yards. So I do not buy that.

I do not know what his target area was, maybe the head, maybe the neck, maybe high in chest. I'm thinking either the rifle was not properly sighted in or he just muffed the shot a wee bit to hit where he did. Until law enforcement puts out the info I'm just going to ignore all the Monday morning quarterbacks on this.



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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2025, 05:33:37 AM »
The guy is caught. I've posted a thread about it here.

I still do not understand where all the talk of it being a Mauser is coming from. I've seen no officials involved say it was a Mauser. They have said it is a '30-06. Most military Mausers are a bit short for the '06 round. Until I hear from the FBI or local cops out there it's a Mauser I'm going to ignore that idea.

The angle just was not steep enough to need correction from 200 yards. So I do not buy that.

I do not know what his target area was, maybe the head, maybe the neck, maybe high in chest. I'm thinking either the rifle was not properly sighted in or he just muffed the shot a wee bit to hit where he did. Until law enforcement puts out the info I'm just going to ignore all the Monday morning quarterbacks on this.

  Yes, they said it was 30/06, but of course the WW2 standard  round was 8mm , and not 7.62mm.  I once bought an Argentine 7.65, but I think Argentina was the only one to buy tgat particular gun.

  Then again, I heard them say the rifle was "imported", as if it were a recently manufactured model...

  Oh well, we are  hearing "journalists" offering opinions...the same ones who cannot explain just what an "assault rifle" is !

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Re: FBI Updates Kirk Probe: 'College-Age' Shooter Tracked, Rifle Recovered
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2025, 06:20:13 AM »
   
     The Mauser rifle was offered in dozens, if not hundreds, of calibers over its long history, including popular military calibers like 7.92×57mm and 7×57mm, as well as a wide variety of commercial and hunting calibers such as 6.5×55mm, .30-06, and .308 Winchester, making it impossible to give an exact number but indicating a vast range of options.

Common Military Calibers:

    7.92×57mm Mauser: This was the standard cartridge for German military rifles, including the Gewehr 98 and Karabiner 98k, and was used in both World Wars.
    7×57mm Mauser: A highly successful and popular cartridge, the 7×57mm Mauser was used in rifles for the Spanish, Mexican, Brazilian, and other armies.
    7.65×53mm Mauser:This was another major Mauser cartridge, developed in 1889 and used by countries such as Argentina and Turkey.

Hunting and Sporter Calibers:

    Mauser Model 1898 Sporters: The famous M98 rifle, originally chambered in 7.92×57mm, was adapted for civilian hunting rifles in a vast number of calibers

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2025, 07:33:05 AM »
   
     The Mauser rifle was offered in dozens, if not hundreds, of calibers over its long history, including popular military calibers like 7.92×57mm and 7×57mm, as well as a wide variety of commercial and hunting calibers such as 6.5×55mm, .30-06, and .308 Winchester, making it impossible to give an exact number but indicating a vast range of options.

Common Military Calibers:

    7.92×57mm Mauser: This was the standard cartridge for German military rifles, including the Gewehr 98 and Karabiner 98k, and was used in both World Wars.
    7×57mm Mauser: A highly successful and popular cartridge, the 7×57mm Mauser was used in rifles for the Spanish, Mexican, Brazilian, and other armies.
    7.65×53mm Mauser:This was another major Mauser cartridge, developed in 1889 and used by countries such as Argentina and Turkey.

Hunting and Sporter Calibers:

    Mauser Model 1898 Sporters: The famous M98 rifle, originally chambered in 7.92×57mm, was adapted for civilian hunting rifles in a vast number of calibers


  Yes; at the same trime I bought my 7.65 Argentine, my brother bought a 7X57 Mauser.


   There used to be a handful of surplus arms dealers who bought thousands of rifles etc. and sold them at bargain basement prices, including many thousands of
Mauser 98s.

  Of course that led to many rebarreled units also.   Bannerman's was perhaps the largest for many years..he even built his own castle !

     https://relicrecord.com/blog/francis-bannerman-military-surplus/
   
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2025, 09:38:43 AM »
I'm still waiting for the FBI or any law enforcement agency to says it was a Mauser.


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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2025, 10:09:10 AM »
At about the 7:40 mark in this video the governor of Utah says its a Mauser rifle. Wonder who gave him this information? The FBI?  Also the FBI said the rifle was found in a wooded area. The video showing him jump off the roof, you don't see any rifle with him. I don't know if I want to believe everything the FBI says. Especially after the Trump assassination attempt, which we still know nothing much about that and the shooter. Will this shooting leave a bunch of questions also?  Not sure this FBI is much different than the last one. Especially after seeing the BS with the Epstein issue. 

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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2025, 10:52:00 AM »
OK, first time I've seen what is supposed to be the rifle used. I still cannot positively ID the rifle as a Mauser. I'd say for sure not an older military rifle if so. Safety appears to be a Model 70 type which was used on a lot of Mauser rifles converted for sporting use due to the nature of the original Mauser wing safety.

Bolt is bend so maybe a newer sporting rifle or just bend by a gunsmith. Still nothing in the photo makes me say definitely a Mauser but then nothing says to me it is not either.

Scope mounting is just weird. The front ring is an extension ring and overhangs the opening of action. Turret is pushed all the way back to touch the rear ring. I've mounted a lot of scopes on a lot of rifles and never/ever did the turret touch rear ring. Some have touched front ring but never a rear ring. I cannot ID the scope.

The image of gun is piss poor at best. Looks to be taken at night with a flashlight shined on the action. I can't even make out a trigger guard on it. But there is a lot of shadow in that area.

Where the Governor got the rifle ID I dunno. I won't argue that it is not a Mauser but from the film image as stopped by me I can't say for sure it is or isn't. The M70 type safety does lend credence to that possibility.

I'd sure like to see a really good well lit photo of the rifle with a close up of the action. It appears to me to be a short action, not long enough for the '06 but again I can't be sure from that image.

I gotta say if I were going to go do such a deed I'd sure not want that rifle for the task. I guess maybe it got the job done but might also be why the shot hit the neck and perhaps was meant to hit the head.

He was not carrying the rifle when he jumped off the building. I opine that he wasn't carrying it stuck down his pants leg on the way there either. Not trying to be conspiracy nut but there is a lot, too much, that doesn't add up here.


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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2025, 11:27:24 AM »

     This is - supposedly - the gun used to shoot Kirk

                               

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2025, 11:29:30 AM »
Looks like an old long action mauser to me, with the old safety intact.
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2025, 11:33:11 AM »

      There are SO many Mauser, or Mauser based, rifles out there , that it probably is a Mauser of some sort.:

     As far as Mauser actions being to short:

Mausers are rifles chambered for 9.3mm cartridges, most notably the 9.3x62mm Mauser and the 9.3x64mm Brenneke, which were developed around the Mauser 98 action. These rifles were historically popular for big game hunting in Africa and Europe and remain available from manufacturers like CZ-USA and Mauser.
Key 9.3mm Mauser cartridges

    9.3x62mm Mauser:

Developed by Otto Bock in 1905, this cartridge became very popular with German settlers in Africa for hunting thick-skinned game, and it's still widely used for moose hunting in Europe.
9.3x64mm Brenneke:
A more powerful option designed for large game, often found in Mauser Model 98 rifles, though new rifles are less common than for the 9.3x62mm