This could be in either political or religious forum..let's go with political.

[ironglowz]

  Charlie Kirk brought some wisdom back to "old blighty" !  ...And he presented it just as I would have, were it me..

   Britain has for the most part, given up on their Christian heritage, and when that happens, another "religion" takes it's place !  ..In this case, it is Islam.

  here are now, more practicing Muslims in England, than there are practicing Christians.

  As a much younger newly converted Christian, I recall one line from an old, country preacher.  He said;

   "you better teach your children what to believe..because rest assured, if you don't, surely SOMEBODY ELSE will !"  ...And Islam is doing a slam dunk of a job in England.

  This holds true for an entire nation's population..and Kirk explains it thoroughly....
 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-V6cADkQqo8

  Many Brits suspect that King Charles has gone Muslim..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH4EwmLpfBc&t=30s

   Folks here in the USA are leaving in their Godly heritage..falling away! ...And frankly, I don't want my grandchildren, especially the girls... to live under Sharia law.

[Dee]

England, France, and Germany have always fallen into one pile of excrement after another.

[ironglowz]

England, France, and Germany have always fallen into one pile of excrement after another.

  ..And they are doing it full force at this time..

[darkgael]

“Many Brits….”  Just how many is that? Too often we fall back on general, speculative words and rely on them, treating them as we would hard facts. “Many” is not a hard fact; it is an estimation. Percentages are a
Tad better. “45% of people polled in Liverpool…” is more useful. If you take a big enough sample then even a small number can represent “many”.

“Folks here in the USA are leaving in their Godly heritage..falling away!  “
Is that the way the sentence is supposed to read?

[ironglowz]

“Many Brits….”  Just how many is that? Too often we fall back on general, speculative words and rely on them, treating them as we would hard facts. “Many” is not a hard fact; it is an estimation. Percentages are a
Tad better. “45% of people polled in Liverpool…” is more useful. If you take a big enough sample then even a small number can represent “many”.

  Easy test;

  Read the comments below the video. many obviously British themselves !  Names indicating they are Brits..such as, Britman 800,  "Son of Albion" "radMAN 1 UK" and "Simonfletcher."

  Also see that young man with the horn rimmed glasses to Charlie's left, giving approving smiles.  Do you suppose that young fellow is alone in the lecture hall ?

  Also by reading the texts, most either thanking Charlie Kirk and /or cheering him on. Note their remarks concerning their own government !

[darkgael]

IG: So the basis of the “many Brits” statement is the number of people in the lecture hall. Is that so?
Perhaps you could qualify the idea a bit more.

[ironglowz]

IG: So the basis of the “many Brits” statement is the number of people in the lecture hall. Is that so?
Perhaps you could qualify the idea a bit more.

    Not at all !  Anti immigration protests by native Brits, have spread across the UK.. They are fed up with the panty wetting politicians who are coddling the invaders,
   while taking in hundreds of thousands of illegals. 

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqgcybD6mw

  What are they protesting, besides the rapes and murders ?  Among many other things, they are protesting the no-go neighborhoods in major cities and the takeover
  of public streets and the blockages of thoroughfares.  There are some 2300 mosques now in London..but they block the streets for their prostrating "prayer sessions.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTsP_r5EUNY

   Yes, MANY Brits are sick of this shathole country takeover !

   https://www.youtube.com/shorts/21wgV3c2gOk

  ..And don't forget..Islam like covid, can spread across the world..in fact, that is their plan..assisted by power greedy, atheist politicians.

[darkgael]

“ greedy, atheist politicians.”

What does atheism have to do with it?

Note: As of right now there are no openly atheist members of Congress. So who are you actually referring to? Names would help.

[Dee]

“ greedy, atheist politicians.”

What does atheism have to do with it?

Note: As of right now there are no openly atheist members of Congress. So who are you actually referring to? Names would help.

Atheism is a belief in one's self. Just as your belief in yourself. You believe yourself to be so intelligent,  that it is foolishness in the notion of a Creator.
The liberal politicians do not care about the morality of serving the people that elected them. They believe in the further empowerment of themselves, and the further enrichment of themselves. Just like  you, they believe  themselves to know better.The list is endless in Washington, while many claim to be Christian to get re-elected, their conduct in congress is in conflict with their claims of Christianity.

[ironglowz]

“ greedy, atheist politicians.”

What does atheism have to do with it?

Note: As of right now there are no openly atheist members of Congress. So who are you actually referring to? Names would help.

  The post was concerning the UK, so parliament would be the offending body !  They wouldn't necessarily have to be acting "openly", but just doing the Devil's will
    through their voting record.   

 If you have read the reports, you will see that the MPs are continually voting in favor of the Muslims. As in some cases here, their media helps to cover the crimes of
  their imported terrorists.

    PM Keir Starmer, has been working hard to legislate a two-tier justice system..one for citizens and a much more lenient one for "immigrants"..

  With he recent unrest by normally quiet citizens..he seems to be backing off a bit.        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnY49rblKA

  ...And these depraved ideas by the British left, is already manifesting itself here.. e.g. President Trump stopping crime in our  nation's capital...and our lefties are
   screaming "bloody murder".

  It appears they want the rampant crime to continue.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ybt9cI81s

   They even raided a "cannabis" shop....but it seems they wanted the clothes, as well as the dope !    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLLCIRWmDvc

[Lloyd Smale]

the path to getting there about precludes any politician that rose to the level of congressman from being able to claim being christian unless you believe as some do that a dip in the water and a halleluiah and a claim your born again or memorizing scripture makes you a Christian . 

“ greedy, atheist politicians.”

What does atheism have to do with it?

Note: As of right now there are no openly atheist members of Congress. So who are you actually referring to? Names would help.

Atheism is a belief in one's self. Just as your belief in yourself. You believe yourself to be so intelligent,  that it is foolishness in the notion of a Creator.
The liberal politicians do not care about the morality of serving the people that elected them. They believe in the further empowerment of themselves, and the further enrichment of themselves. Just like  you, they believe  themselves to know better.The list is endless in Washington, while many claim to be Christian to get re-elected, their conduct in congress is in conflict with their claims of Christianity.

[gypsyman]

  Hard times create strong men--Strong men create good times--Good times create weak men--weak men create hard times  Nothing different now than when country's went thru rebellions, revolutions, over the past 1000 years. Another brick in the wall, as the song goes.

[darkgael]

“Atheism is a belief in oneself “
Sigh. That just shows how little you understand about atheism. That is understandable given your strong faith. Atheism just doesn’t compute for you.

[Dee]

“Atheism is a belief in oneself “
Sigh. That just shows how little you understand about atheism. That is understandable given your strong faith. Atheism just doesn’t compute for you.

It certainly doesn't. So tell me dg. What do you believe in?

[ironglowz]

“Atheism is a belief in oneself “
Sigh. That just shows how little you understand about atheism. That is understandable given your strong faith. Atheism just doesn’t compute for you.

   Atheism.. the word means against God...

 
AI Summary

To understand the definition of "atheist," consider the following points:

An atheist is someone who does not believe in the existence of God or gods.
Atheism can be based on a lack of evidence for deities.
It is distinct from agnosticism, which holds that the existence of God is unknown or unknowable.
Atheists may identify with secular humanism or other non-religious philosophies.
The term can encompass a range of beliefs, from strong atheism (asserting no gods exist) to weak atheism (simply lacking belief).
Atheism is recognized as a legitimate worldview in many societies.

   
   Given the definition, atheists must have a difficult time explaining their system.

  ..Being as they want so often to dislike, hate or argue about, something that doesn't even exist...by their own definition..

[darkgael]

Atheism does not have a system. That is one of the things that believers like you cannot comprehend.
There is no book, no set of rules. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in the existence of deities.

[ironglowz]

Atheism does not have a system. That is one of the things that believers like you cannot comprehend.

  Obviously chaos befits them, just as their father intended.

[Dixie-Dude]

Athiests therefore have no moral compass to live by in society.  Someone asked a Russian in the 1920's or 30's why they allowed Communism to take over.  They said we forgot God.  Communism is based on atheism, and is the end result of an athiest society.  Islam can grow in an agnostic or athiest society because is offers some kind of moral compass, although deeply twisted.   In my view, both are dangerous.  In a Muslim society, one must convert or obey or be killed. 

[Graybeard]

darkgael, I don't, won't make judgement of you regarding your beliefs or lack thereof.

To me personally I just can't conceive of the complex web of interconnections in the universe having happened without a guiding hand by some supreme being.

As a person who apparently doesn't believe in the existence of such a supreme being I'm interested in hearing your views on how all of this, the entire universe and our small part of it came to be if not by the hand of a supreme being.

I am genuinely interested in hearing your views on the matter and will not take any negative position in regard what you say.

Unlike Dan I do not take every single word in the bible at face value. I do not believe the world is but a few thousand years old. Too much evidence to the contrary to buy into that.

[Dee]

darkgael, I don't, won't make judgement of you regarding your beliefs or lack thereof.

To me personally I just can't conceive of the complex web of interconnections in the universe having happened without a guiding hand by some supreme being.

As a person who apparently doesn't believe in the existence of such a supreme being I'm interested in hearing your views on how all of this, the entire universe and our small part of it came to be if not by the hand of a supreme being.

I am genuinely interested in hearing your views on the matter and will not take any negative position in regard what you say.

Unlike Dan I do not take every single word in the bible at face value. I do not believe the world is but a few thousand years old. Too much evidence to the contrary to buy into that.

LOL, well I'm certainly guilty as accused. In an earlier post I did ask darkgael what he believed in,  but now am equally curious as to how you decide on which scriptures you believe, and which you don't. 

[Graybeard]

Not a conversation I'll have online. If we ever again meet in person we can have a long discussion on the subject.

But in general let's just say somethings don't pass the smell test. As a for instance the flood myth story. Two of all animals on earth in a boat 400 feet long for 40 days and nights. Nope that one doesn't pass the smell test. Besides it is almost a copy of the story of Gilgamesh which is centuries older.

Others I'd be happy to discuss face to face.

I do not try to convince anyone to believe as I do or to dissuade anyone of their beliefs.

Bottom line to me at least is there is nothing concrete to hang my hat on in any of the stuff I believe. I definitely am not one who believes it is all true cuz it got included in the bible by a bunch of drunken priests around 320 AD I believe it was.

I believe in GOD and Jesus as I cannot see a way it all could have happened as some random series of events. I'm sure all of this universe had to be created and that took a supreme being. What sort of being is way beyond my ability to comprehend so I just call them GOD.

I don't use labels for my faith, not a baptist tho that is the church in which I was baptized. But they left me more than I left them. I'm just a CHRISTian and any time I type the word CHRIST I do it in all caps and red. Why? Beats me other than his words in the bible are in red so it just feels right to me.

I differ from most major religions in much of my beliefs.

[Dee]

You probably wouldn't recognize me from the last time we met. I've gotten even better looking than I was back then. 
It's obvious that you know what you believe, and why you believe it, so you're aren't up and down, or back and forth. Consistency.

[Lloyd Smale]

i dont take every statement in the bible as fact either. we KNOW the earth and us werent created in 7 days. in fact it was over millions of years. we know that unless vampires are real, men didnt live 500 years. common sense will tell you a man didnt build a boat big enough to hold 2 of every species of animals on earth.  what was in the bible were parables. "stories" wrote to make a point or to even entertain. id ask too why if the bible is the unwavering work of God why was it not wrote in a more simple way that had every scripture plain and simple with a meaning that cant be argued by arrogant self proclaimed bible scholars?? how can every word in it be unquestionable fact when you cant find 2 people here on an outdoors forum that can agree the interpretation of about any scripture. its caused more friction on this site than all other topics combined. its turned Christian against Christian. even caused wars!! did God wake up one day and think to himself i going to compel some catholic munks to gather just the scriptures they approved of and compile them in a book. a book wrote basically in rhymes instead of clear words that dont confuse anyone. did he do this and sit back with a big smile on his face and say this will be entertaining !!!!!!!!!

 to me its a history book. the greatest one ever. what would we know without it. but as a Christian im am compelled and OBLIGATED to believe in and worship God and his son Jesus. Not worship a book! ive never seen a bible knowledge test spoken about when you have your judgement day. so dissecting a book by reading it over and over and over trying to find some hidden meaning to impress others at bible study or even more laughable on "Greybeard Outdoors" is time i can spend Much better!! heck its a fine line with some religions treating the bible as an idol of worship.  if not surely the sin of pride and arrogance applies. ive always shook my head. catholics, yup on here being bashed for worshiping idols because they have a picture or statue of mary or one of the saints in the church out of respect for what they did for Christianity. but say nothing of our priest or yup there pastor of marching down the isle or at some time during service hiking the book over there head like its something to worship!! now thats idol worship plain and simple!! its a history book and "sort of" an instruction book on how to conduct ourselves. its not a sacred idol. Jesus should be the centerpiece of your beliefs not a book! so quit wasting your time looking for hidden meanings that arent there, that man for thousands of years never figured out and probably was never intended to. the arrogance of some who think their interpitation is right and the rest of us has it wrong is laughable. try being a Christian instead of reading about it!! id bet God puts more store in helping a little old lady across the street than the fact you memorized Luke reading it 500 times!! what a waste of the precious short time God gifted us on this earth!!

[Goldie]

Common sense goes a long way, to bad, so many are lacking it.

[Dee]

Guilty as charged. My job as a Christian is not to question "Gods Word" its to defend it, and work at the discernment of it. Do I believe I'm the only one thats right every time? Nope, nobody is that smart. But I'm trying to get it right. I believe the Bible is "The Owners Manuel for Life".

[darkgael]

“ Obviously chaos befits them, just as their father intended.”
IG: did you really intend that insult? Do you really believe that a person who does not believe what you believe is evil?

[Lloyd Smale]

I believe the Bible is "The Owners Manuel for Life".

couldnt agree more but comes a point where you need to put it down and use what you learned and actually do and act like Jesus says we must instead of wasting time reading it again. its like getting a service manual for a harley or your truck and memorizing every word in it and even think you know more than the harley mechanic and quote out of it at a ralley and dont even have a set of tools or ever intend on doing any real work or helping someone else with any more than words. used as a manual for how you must live your life and how you must ACT to get in Gods favor its irreplaceable. thing is even on here its used more as a weapon to argue and to stroke arrogant ego's!! 

[Goldie]

Arrogant egos? Looks like another thread about to be locked! Getting to be a habit.

[Lloyd Smale]

only a personal attack if you feel your one of the arrogant. you see, i am a failed Christian. difference is i dont pretend to be anything but failed. i could quote scripture and tell you what your doing wrong but that would surely make me an arrogant hypocrite!! i could read it and find out what im doing wrong but i already read it multiple times and know what im doing wrong and i know ill do it again tomorrow. if at 70 i havent figured it out i doubt i will

[ironglowz]

“ Obviously chaos befits them, just as their father intended.”
IG: did you really intend that insult? Do you really believe that a person who does not believe what you believe is evil?

  Christian doctrine.(.from which I speak), contends that there are 2 spiritual forces in all creation..God (Jesus) or the Devil..  Through life, a man normally joins one or the other.
 
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.  (Col 2:8 )

  He can join by choice or join by default, because he did not make a conscious decision. Until he/she makes that choice, he/she has agency to go to either spiritual pole.
  One must choose Jesus..or go the other way by default.  John 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.  (John 14:6)

  Not everyone who has shunned Jesus is lost (yet)..
   Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.  (1 Pet 5:

   Of course, it is highly unlikely that the unsaved will pay much heed to His words, but ..C'est La vie ..