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Musk Lambasting BIG Beautiful Bill
« on: June 05, 2025, 01:15:16 AM »
I suspect that if I were able to decipher the BBB in its entirety, I'd agree with Musk. I suspect it's loaded down with useless pork just to get it to pass, and its raising the debt ceiling like 4.5 trillion dollars.  :-\

Congress continues its march into financial ruin.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2025, 02:11:04 AM »
yup votes are bought with pork
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2025, 02:55:05 AM »
 I can understand Musk's frustration. He saves the government billions with DOGE, and Trump and friends want to raise the limit. This would be like mom and dad telling their college kid. Hey, thanks for making a payment on your credit card we gave you for college. It's just under max, we're going to call the bank and tell them to raise the limit another $2,000 so you can spend more! Really???
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2025, 07:42:17 AM »
Musk calls a Spade a Spade.  Can not blame him at all for that.  He was "hired" as the New Sheriff to find and eliminate government waste, corruption, and fat.  Guess he should have started in the House and Senate.

Now a big hunk of junk bill, the BBB, likely loaded with Democrap and Repubnican fat and waste, is about to be ratified and signed into law by President Trump.

Musk is rightly unhappy with that.  Musk should call out Trump.  What is Trump's thinking seven or eight steps ahead?

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2025, 08:16:56 AM »
Trump ran the debt up pretty good his 1st term. He tries to justify it this time with his BBB but, the fact is, hes only gonna be president for another 3 1/2 years, and the debt will be there long after he leaves office.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2025, 08:46:51 AM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but was not DOGE instituted and committed to reducing the nation's debt by 2 TRILLION dollars or was that a fog of static I was listeing through???

Is there a way to identify which Party owns the pork?

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2025, 12:17:34 PM »
Don't recall DOGE target figure, but they haven't got anywhere close to 2 trillion. I THINK Trumps business sense is you have to spend money to make money, but in 3 1/2 years know one knows who is gonna be runnin the show.

I also think folks living off a 401K could be living pretty skinny after the 2028 election.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2025, 01:06:29 PM »
Musk said he could probably cut $1 trillion to begin with, and up to $2 trillion later.  Well, he was on the right track, but he rubbed some in congress or somewhere the wrong way cutting their pork.  USAid was really bad, then people over 115 years old still getting social security, and most "living" in foreign countries.  Then Medicare and Medicaid fraud.  Bad defense budget contracts.  Treasury cutting checks without stating what they were for.  Lots of fraud and corruption.  Obviously, Republicans are involved as well as Democrats.  Must stated a short while ago about starting a new political party.  He has the money to do it. 

Trump talked about cutting Musk's contracts.  Well, Musk stated a couple of months ago that Tesla is fine now on it's own and he didn't think they needed the tax credits anymore.  Then SpaceX launches astronauts, space station supplies, national defense satellites, and weather satellites, as well as their own Starlink satellites.  NASA needs SpaceX more than people know.  He was the lowest cost provider and is reusing his rockets thus saving the government tons of money.  He can easily launch offshore as well as from land.  He can always move his factories to an Island country like the Bahamas or even Austrailia.  As far as Tesla, they are the most American made car on the road.  From batteries made in Nevada to cars and Trucks made in Texas.

Musk said the bill was full of usless pork and didn't make the cuts he suggested.  Trump took in personally.  So they are slugging it out on X and Truthsocial.   Oh, and Musk has over 200 million followers on X. 
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2025, 01:50:55 PM »
Musk said he could probably cut $1 trillion to begin with, and up to $2 trillion later.  Well, he was on the right track, but he rubbed some in congress or somewhere the wrong way cutting their pork.  USAid was really bad, then people over 115 years old still getting social security, and most "living" in foreign countries.  Then Medicare and Medicaid fraud.  Bad defense budget contracts.  Treasury cutting checks without stating what they were for.  Lots of fraud and corruption.  Obviously, Republicans are involved as well as Democrats.  Must stated a short while ago about starting a new political party.  He has the money to do it. 

Trump talked about cutting Musk's contracts.  Well, Musk stated a couple of months ago that Tesla is fine now on it's own and he didn't think they needed the tax credits anymore.  Then SpaceX launches astronauts, space station supplies, national defense satellites, and weather satellites, as well as their own Starlink satellites.  NASA needs SpaceX more than people know.  He was the lowest cost provider and is reusing his rockets thus saving the government tons of money.  He can easily launch offshore as well as from land.  He can always move his factories to an Island country like the Bahamas or even Austrailia.  As far as Tesla, they are the most American made car on the road.  From batteries made in Nevada to cars and Trucks made in Texas.

Musk said the bill was full of usless pork and didn't make the cuts he suggested.  Trump took in personally.  So they are slugging it out on X and Truthsocial.   Oh, and Musk has over 200 million followers on X.

So who will be the winner?
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2025, 02:31:36 PM »
[quote author=Dee

So who will be the winner?



It won't be the average taxpayer.
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2025, 04:26:15 PM »
Quote from: Dee

So who will be the winner?



It won't be the average taxpayer.
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Agreed. Republicans have the House, and the Senate, and still can't pass a pork filled bill, much less a clean one.
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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 12:10:05 AM »
id bet part of this is musk isnt stupid, he knows turning on trump because tesla sales have crashed will get the nut case global warmest left to buy his cars again.





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« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 12:36:18 AM »
Interesting perspective lloyd.  Thanks.  It breathes life into a troubling situation Musk has been unwittingly thrust into. 

Musk has taken the fall and his company has taken the physical and financial abuse for Trump's decision to investigate waste, fraud, and corruption within
our federal government.  The Left, about half of the voters in this country, should rise to stop this turn of the tide against Musk. 

EVERYBODY benefits when the ship is charted on the right course as quickly and economically as is possible.  Sit back.  Enjoy the ride.  We ain't seen nothin' yet.  Where is MY chunk of the taxes I paid that have been rescued from waste distribution?  When do I get those returned to me?

Who is funding the rioters and protesters?  It is all for visual effect and the FNN's use to push the Democrat agenda (whatever that might be as we don't know and can't tell from their constant bloviating against Trump).

Follow the money.  Stop this madness at its source.  If it is Soros, then step on him like the scum bug he is.

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« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 01:26:35 AM »
Musk hast Asperges a milder form of Autism. His world is more black and white than everyone else's. His solution to the economy is simply quit spending money on stupid stuff. He doesn't understand that politicians are for the most part, lawyers that have never ran a business but, want to tell you how to run yours.
He doesn't comprehend this, because it doesn't make sense to him, because it actually doesn't make sense in reality either.

I have a grandson with Asperges. He is incapable of lying. If he doesn't like something he tells you. He doesn't take into consideration feelings, or situations. He just spits it out.
He also has the ability to focus on certain things that interests him at a level few people can comprehend. And like Musk, hes a bit different from everyone else in the room.  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 03:34:46 AM »
Wonder how pissed Musk is due to the billions that would be cut in EV tax credits?  If the bill was loaded with pork I would think there would be some democrats willing to vote for it, but it appears there isn't. There are some lies floating around produced by the media, about pork that is in the bill. Anyone know what pork is in the bill exactly?
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« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 03:43:31 AM »
Musk in DOGE said a couple of months back that Tesla didn't need the tax credits anymore.  This is because he knew the other car makers needed them.  Thus he would continue to have an almost monopoly on electric vehicle sales.  This is not what ticked off Musk.  His DOGE cuts were not codified into law, and they still put money in the budget for continuing the pork spending that he recommended cutting.  All this hard work for nothing is what ticked him off.
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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 03:47:39 AM »
Musk in DOGE said a couple of months back that Tesla didn't need the tax credits anymore.  This is because he knew the other car makers needed them.  Thus he would continue to have an almost monopoly on electric vehicle sales.  This is not what ticked off Musk.  His DOGE cuts were not codified into law, and they still put money in the budget for continuing the pork spending that he recommended cutting.  All this hard work for nothing is what ticked him off.

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« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 03:57:37 AM »
Trump is doing to Musk what he's done with everyone else who disagrees with him.

I didn't think it would take long for this to happen, and it hasn't.

Two arrogant egos, airing their dirty laundry for the world to see.  Chaotic, and now the Senate is soon to find Trumps scorn as they review the "Big Beautiful Bill".

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« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 04:30:10 AM »
 Now, if Musk really wanted to mess things up, maybe this. Come out and say he's going to start working with one of the 3 major diesel engine company's to start plans on a small diesel engine that could get 70+ miles to the gallon. If VW could make one 20 years ago that got almost 50 miles to the gallon, what can they do now with the technology we have. Fuel price's coming down, bet he'd sell a bunch. Enough to make Trump flinch!!
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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 05:05:39 AM »
Trump is doing to Musk what he's done with everyone else who disagrees with him.

I didn't think it would take long for this to happen, and it hasn't.

Two arrogant egos, airing their dirty laundry for the world to see.  Chaotic, and now the Senate is soon to find Trumps scorn as they review the "Big Beautiful Bill".

Trumps the boss.  Disagree with the boss and you're fired.

I think Musk fired the 1st salvo.
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« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 09:07:35 AM »


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I think Musk fired the 1st salvo.
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I don't think it matters at this point.

Trump hired Musk to reduce the size and waste in government, and then endorses a budget bill that increases the size and debt of the government.

You think Musk might feel like he's just wasting his time?
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« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 12:06:12 PM »



I think Musk fired the 1st salvo.
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I don't think it matters at this point.

Trump hired Musk to reduce the size and waste in government, and then endorses a budget bill that increases the size and debt of the government.

You think Musk might feel like he's just wasting his time?
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Of course he does.
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« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 12:20:45 PM »
I've been avoiding this one but am gonna jump in.

Musk is WRONG. This isn't an appropriations bill and it isn't a discretionary funding bill. It's a TAX BILL. Yeah it has a few other things in it but it is to keep Trump's promise to make the tax cuts from his first term permanent and to add the no tax on tips, no tax on overtime but felt short of the no tax on social security promise.

Oh it also funds the border wall and kicking out the illegals. That basically is what this bill is about.

All the other stuff the cuts identified by Doge and whatever else will have to wait for the rest of the bills it takes to fund the government.

And by the way Musk's Doge job was a total nothing burger. He promised 2 trillion in cuts due to waste, fraud and abuse and so far has not even reached $200 billion, he didn't even reach 10% of his stated objective. I'd call his effort a big fat failure. He should go back to make cars and rockets, he seems to do that well.


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« Reply #23 on: Today at 01:28:52 AM »
Musk in DOGE said a couple of months back that Tesla didn't need the tax credits anymore.  This is because he knew the other car makers needed them.  Thus he would continue to have an almost monopoly on electric vehicle sales.  This is not what ticked off Musk.  His DOGE cuts were not codified into law, and they still put money in the budget for continuing the pork spending that he recommended cutting.  All this hard work for nothing is what ticked him off.

Why would other car makers need tax credits, when no one wants to buy EV's.  No tax credits for EV's will cut EV sales substantially. Government had to give tax credits, so people would actually buy them.
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« Reply #24 on: Today at 01:31:59 AM »
Musk in DOGE said a couple of months back that Tesla didn't need the tax credits anymore.  This is because he knew the other car makers needed them.  Thus he would continue to have an almost monopoly on electric vehicle sales.  This is not what ticked off Musk.  His DOGE cuts were not codified into law, and they still put money in the budget for continuing the pork spending that he recommended cutting.  All this hard work for nothing is what ticked him off.

Why would other car makers need tax credits, when no one wants to buy EV's.  No tax credits for EV's will cut EV sales substantially. Government had to give tax credits, so people would actually buy them.

Well, that’s because it’s easy spending someone else’s money…

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« Reply #25 on: Today at 01:34:22 AM »
Right now they say Ford is stone broke loosing on electric cars. Look for more bailouts.
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« Reply #26 on: Today at 02:26:35 AM »
Yeah, I read in some car magazine somewhere recently while waiting, that Tesla didn't need the tax credits anymore, but the other big automakers did because their assembly lines weren't built to handle mass production of electric vehicles.  Tesla has the largest stamping machines for sheet metal in the world, from what I read and their cars were designed from the ground up to be electric.  The other car makers are just converting their gas cars and having problems getting places to put the batteries.  Motors also are different.  So yeah, they need the tax credits.  The article said without the tax credits, the other automakers couldn't make money, and sometimes even with the tax breaks. 

I think Musk was more ticked that the DOGE cuts were not in the bill.  Also, DOGE is still at work without Musk.  From what I understand they are trying to audit the Defense department.  They did find illegals getting food stamps and welfare, dead people getting social security, and checks being written not knowing what they were for.  DOGE has a long way to go.  Without Musk there, it is harder for the left to find a scapegoat to blame things on. 

However, both should have kept their mouths shut in public.  Musk is right, more cuts are needed.  Trump is right, we need the tax cuts.  45% of Americans don't pay income tax anyway, so those that work or have retirement income have to pay the taxes.  So the tax cuts are mostly for the middle class and rich anyway.  Mostly middle class as rich get tax write offs for reinvestment in their business or such. 
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« Reply #27 on: Today at 04:24:44 AM »
 Well, just read an article and watched a video, could this be a plan between Musk and Trump? The bill still has to go through the Senate, and they can amend it. With Musk out of the way, but still has an influence, will some of the real conservative senators step up and cut some of the spending that's in the bill? Then back to the house. With Musk on the sidelines, it'll take some of the steam away from the libtard Democrats yelling and bellering.
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