The Devil is a Tricky Fella

[Dee]

He uses faithless pawns to make perversion look normal, to transform what's wrong into right, and these well informed, woke, liberal pawns in the end, will be rewarded.
I read, listen, and watch these folks in action, either ignoring, or not recognizing the obvious, and I'm amazed at what they're trying to pedal to the rest of us.

Some laud these fabulously wealthy televangelist, and yes, I'm talking about ALL OF THEM, and I see how easily self proclaimed Christian people are led, and how gullible that population really is. They buy their books, they quote them, they send money to them, they believe them.
They never give a thought to where this wealth came from. Its amazing.

It's the same way with politics. Even here, you show some in black and white, and still they either misconstrue, or fail to comprehend.

Like I said; the devil is a tricky fella.

[Bob Riebe]

     
     If a preacher charges to speak some where, he should be, or is,  taxed for that as personal self-employed  income, and then he should give the majority of his fee to the congregation he is the head of..
      Although I guess that is no worse that having to pay for a church funeral, as I have done.

      The best known TV preachers, in the past 30 years, have made little effort to hide their increasing greed.

     

[darkgael]

He uses faithless pawns to make perversion look normal, to transform what's wrong into right, and these well informed, woke, liberal pawns in the end, will be rewarded.
I read, listen, and watch these folks in action, either ignoring, or not recognizing the obvious, and I'm amazed at what they're trying to pedal to the rest of us.

Some laud these fabulously wealthy televangelist, and yes, I'm talking about ALL OF THEM, and I see how easily self proclaimed Christian people are led, and how gullible that population really is. They buy their books, they quote them, they send money to them, they believe them.
They never give a thought to where this wealth came from. Its amazing.

It's the same way with politics. Even here, you show some in black and white, and still they either misconstrue, or fail to comprehend.

Like I said; the devil is a tricky fella.

Y’know, Dee, it doesn’t happen often but I agree with you. Still, though, you deal in generalities. How about some specifics?
Who are “these people”? What are they being told that is wrong?’
How about a few examples of the manipulation and who is doing it?

[Dee]

He uses faithless pawns to make perversion look normal, to transform what's wrong into right, and these well informed, woke, liberal pawns in the end, will be rewarded.
I read, listen, and watch these folks in action, either ignoring, or not recognizing the obvious, and I'm amazed at what they're trying to pedal to the rest of us.

Some laud these fabulously wealthy televangelist, and yes, I'm talking about ALL OF THEM, and I see how easily self proclaimed Christian people are led, and how gullible that population really is. They buy their books, they quote them, they send money to them, they believe them.
They never give a thought to where this wealth came from. Its amazing.

It's the same way with politics. Even here, you show some in black and white, and still they either misconstrue, or fail to comprehend.

Like I said; the devil is a tricky fella.

Y’know, Dee, it doesn’t happen often but I agree with you. Still, though, you deal in generalities. How about some specifics?
Who are “these people”? What are they being told that is wrong?’
How about a few examples of the manipulation and who is doing it?

Try reading the 1st paragraph, and the very last 2 sentence paragraph several times, then go stand in front of a mirror for a while. Then go read that 1st paragraph and the 2 sentence paragraph again. 

[darkgael]

Nah. That kind of BS manipulation won’t work. What you do, again and again , is not answer questions.
You are accusing me of something. What exactly?

[Dee]

Nah. That kind of BS manipulation won’t work. What you do, again and again , is not answer questions.
You are accusing me of something. What exactly?

He uses faithless pawns to make perversion look normal, to transform what's wrong into right, and these well informed, woke, liberal pawns in the end, will be rewarded.
I read, listen, and watch these folks in action, either ignoring, or not recognizing the obvious, and I'm amazed at what they're trying to pedal to the rest of us.

Some laud these fabulously wealthy televangelist, and yes, I'm talking about ALL OF THEM, and I see how easily self proclaimed Christian people are led, and how gullible that population really is. They buy their books, they quote them, they send money to them, they believe them.
They never give a thought to where this wealth came from. Its amazing.

It's the same way with politics. Even here, you show some in black and white, and still they either misconstrue, or fail to comprehend.

Like I said; the devil is a tricky fella.

A bit dog always hollers. You jumped into this thread on your own. Now, over the years I've answered your questions, and over the same years you've rejected the answers. Your a heathen, and have no spiritual discernment. You reject God and only believe in yourself, and in a discussion concerning God you step in, and inject your disbelief. And then you feign ignorance when someone foolishly tries to witness to you, just like now. You want to debate the obvious. No thanks, it bores me.
So now, heres your answer. Are ya ready? Your the epitome of the 1st, and 2nd paragraph. Folks like you, were the whom I was describing. Mine is not an accusation, its an observation.
There, is that plain enough for you?

[darkgael]

“you feign ignorance”?
“Spiritual discernment” Now you are making up terms that have no meaning for me.
Ah. Just spent a bit of time looking into spiritual discernment. You are correct. I do not have much or any spiritual discernment. Most probably that is because I do not believe in spirits.

[Dee]

“you feign ignorance”?
“Spiritual discernment” Now you are making up terms that have no meaning for me.
Ah. Just spent a bit of time looking into spiritual discernment. You are correct. I do not have much or any spiritual discernment.
Most probably that is because I do not believe in spirits.

Which is why I refer to you as a heathen. 

Also, I don't need to make up terms/truth. There's are plenty of terms/truth out there without having to make any up.

[ironglowz]

  Being "fabulously wealthy", is not a part of the true man of God..  Neither Jonathan Edwards, Charles Spurgeon or John Wycliffe had any kind of wealth. Neither did the
  twelve apostles or Jesus Himself possess any real material wealth.

  That being said, we should not expect a pastor to live as a pauper either..

   "
19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."  (Matt 6:19-21)

[Dee]

  Being "fabulously wealthy", is not a part of the true man of God..  Neither Jonathan Edwards, Charles Spurgeon or John Wycliffe had any kind of wealth. Neither did the
  twelve apostles or Jesus Himself possess any real material wealth.

  That being said, we should not expect a pastor to live as a pauper either..

   "
19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."  (Matt 6:19-21)

I don't think preacher and his family should live in poverty either if they're truly working for God.

BUT! With Billy Graham having a net worth of 25 million at his death,  and his son Franklin having a present net worth of 10 million,  I'm gonna call that out as obscenely hypocritical.
ESPECIALLY  while these types of preachers are continually asking for donations,  and contributions. Its blasphemy at its worst. [/size]

[Ranger99]

We've had our share in the region.
Robert Tilton, Joel the happy rich
man, Larry Lea, Marcus Lamb who
was caught with a crossdressing
prostitute, etc.

Lots of charlatans to choose from

[ironglowz]

  " 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the [d]Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1Cor 2:13,14)

  The 'natural man' refers to the unsaved or unconverted man.

[Dee]

" 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the [d]Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1Cor 2:13,14)

  The 'natural man' refers to the unsaved or unconverted man.

Jeremiah 10 2. Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

"A heathen" refers to the unsaved or unconverted man. Tomato/to-ma-to