What Is Antisemitism?

[nw_hunter]

The 1 Amendment states...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So, If I say that as a religion, I don't like Judaism or that Jewish people are this or that, it should be construed as a crime?
 Other religious groups can be made fun of or denigrated on a daily basis, but it's quite alright! Personally, I think we should go after crimes against people. Individuals. If we cannot say what we think about something or someone without the Federal Government coming after us, then the 1st, 2nd and all the other amendments are null and void. I'm not talking about idiot college riots where woke fools are physically assaulting Jews or any others because of their faith biased hatred. If this was about Christians instead of Jews would it be the same or make daily headline news?

And!, I don't believe the Israeli flag, or any other flag should fly next to Old Glory in the White House. Does this make me Antisemitic?

[ironglow]

   Normally we do not condone spreading hateful actions against anybody, due to immutable factors..  e.g.  height , skin color, ethnicity, or place of
   origin for that ethnicity.

  I think we can allow that somebody may not like or may even detest a particular group as such, since that is their perogative.

  However; acting upoon that perogative to the point where we are willing to shut down general freedom of travel for everyone, or physically attack
   individuals of such groups, is where we normally draw the line .  E.g. see the Columbia U. riots...

  Having the proper definition of "semitic" may help to define what such an opposition is all about, and who it is directed against, and a more recent
  transmutation of the term.

  AI Overview

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a Semite is originally a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, one of Noah's sons, as mentioned in Genesis. Later, it also refers to members of any peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including Jews, Arabs, and others.

[nw_hunter]

   Normally we do not condone spreading hateful actions against anybody, due to immutable factors..  e.g.  height , skin color, ethnicity, or place of
   origin for that ethnicity.

  I think we can allow that somebody may not like or may even detest a particular group as such, since that is their perogative.

  However; acting upoon that perogative to the point where we are willing to shut down general freedom of travel for everyone, or physically attack
   individuals of such groups, is where we normally draw the line .  E.g. see the Columbia U. riots...

  Having the proper definition of "semitic" may help to define what such an opposition is all about, and who it is directed against, and a more recent
  transmutation of the term.

  AI Overview

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a Semite is originally a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, one of Noah's sons, as mentioned in Genesis. Later, it also refers to members of any peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including Jews, Arabs, and others.

I know what the def of a Semite is. What I want someone to describe is.....what exactly is an antisemite and why is a slur or dislike against a Jew any different than a Christian, Muslim, or someone who prescribes to no religion. Should we be able to say any derogatory thing we like about anyone, as long as they are not Jewish,but walk on pins and needles when talking about Jewish people?

Look! I have nothing against Israel, but I'm growing tired of our politicians kissing their asses and pretending their Government cannot do anything  wrong.

[gypsyman]

 Really going to open a can of worms with this topic. Several years ago, got into a discussion about the Holocaust. The woman I was talking to, was from a Jewish family, and had converted to Christianity. She said, didn't like the way the Jewish religion used people. She said, that using the figure of 6 million Jews killed made everybody feel how bad they were treated. When I questioned her on her point, her reply was, there wasn't 6 million Jews in that part of Europe back in the late 30's. Yes there was tens of thousands killed, but not even close to that number. When I checked the demographics of the country's around Germany back then, she was right. Probably around 2.5 million Jews, Germany, Poland, Hungary, France, no where near 6 million. Our Red Cross came out with a number, around 239,000 that died in the concentration camps in 1946. My point, am I antisemitic because I want the truth??

[Lloyd Smale]

gotten to the point in this world today that i hate about 90% of the population. All pretty much equally so at least im fair. wondering lately if that keeps me from honestly saying im Christain because i hate a good many who claim to be Christian too!!

[Mule 11]

There is an article at the federalist which may give insight nw hunter. From scary eddie in the politics section titled Democrats are Anxious and Uncomfortable, Now They Know How it Feels. May want to look at your source of consternation on this subject, maybe, don’t know. Author is actually Eddie Scarry, Butt, liked my fracture better.

[JeffG]

Currently, I think the term "antisemitism" is a soft soap term the media is using for groups supporting Muslim terrorist agendas. Last March, the Hamas "heroes" breached the border fence, shot up a Jewish music festival, kill a bunch of unarmed people in their homes, round up a large number of hostages, and go back across the border.
 Israel, outraged and tired of Muslim taunts and incursions, goes after these cockroaches, and devastates a few cities that their military machine is entwined in, kills a potload of their soldiers and militant supporters. The collateral damage was significant.
The entrenched Muslim operatives posing as students in the United States come alive, protest, riot and galvanize young people that they have been indoctrinating that Israel is a global war machine, and a monster that is picking on poor Islam. The retarded politicians on the Democrat side join with the Hamas sects, and further those same perceptions.
No other religion but Islam has been attacking innocent people for the last 50 years or so, to further their political agendas.

Do I have this about right??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Yesterday there was a young person with a 4x5 foot Hamas flag over his/her shoulder, marching up and down the terrace in front of our local Republican headquarters. Nearby was his/her truck with a 4x5 foot trans flag (pink and powder blue stripes) flying from a pole in the bed if the pickup truck. The marcher was 6'2" tall and lanky, but was carrying a purse, so I don't know... the paradox of the two flags was funny.

[Dixie-Dude]

Muslims kill gays.  They are supposed to take them to the highest tower and throw them off according to the Koran.  It is a special kind of stupid. 

[ironglow]

   From NW Hunter;

   " So, If I say that as a religion, I don't like Judaism or that Jewish people are this or that, it should be construed as a crime?
 Other religious groups can be made fun of or denigrated on a daily basis, but it's quite alright! Personally, I think we should go after crimes against people. Individuals. If we cannot say what we think about something or someone without the Federal Government coming after us, then the 1st, 2nd and all the other amendments are null and void. "
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  As I said in my first reply..and I add..  You can hate anybody, you can also shout the idea, even publish your hatred..  However, if that leads to
 slander or physical action against such a group, that could be problematical for you. Please recll what one wise old head told us, many years ago

   The quote, "Your right to swing your fist ends, where the other man's nose begins," is attributed to Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., a US Supreme Court Justice.

  The fact still remains, that some crazy Hamas Islamists demonstrated such hatred on Oct 7, 2024  ....and they are still paying....

   The fact that some non-Islamist people of American birth can support such barbarity, is the real surprise in all this current unrest.  Remember;
   on Oct 6, 2024, there was peace in Israel..on Oct 7 the barbarians struck.

  Don't equate the term "Jew" as simply a religion.  "Jew" is also an ethnicity, and many Jews have ignored their hereditary faith for years, or even generations.

   Far as I am concerned such crazies can parade and shout as much as they want, that being their right.  But when they interfere with outhers free access or travel, or go so far as to interfere with, or physically disturb the person of their hatred..then they have abused that person's rights..

[Dee]

I don't spend much time dissecting such definitions. If it's Christian, I'm in. If its Muslim deport. There is no gray area.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup catholics have been bashed here for 20 years and much more than jews and probably more often than muslims and catholics are christains. i have nothing against Jewish people. they use the same bible we quote. but muslims?? im with dee, send them to meet their virgins!! but truth be told in this country is that near half dont believe in God and the other half are to busy bashing each other instead of putting up a united front to put God back to where he was when the constitution was written. unless this happens the atheists will win 

The 1 Amendment states...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So, If I say that as a religion, I don't like Judaism or that Jewish people are this or that, it should be construed as a crime?
 Other religious groups can be made fun of or denigrated on a daily basis, but it's quite alright! Personally, I think we should go after crimes against people. Individuals. If we cannot say what we think about something or someone without the Federal Government coming after us, then the 1st, 2nd and all the other amendments are null and void. I'm not talking about idiot college riots where woke fools are physically assaulting Jews or any others because of their faith biased hatred. If this was about Christians instead of Jews would it be the same or make daily headline news?

And!, I don't believe the Israeli flag, or any other flag should fly next to Old Glory in the White House. Does this make me Antisemitic?

[ironglow]

From 2 John 1

     9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

[darkgael]

“Atheists will win. “
Nah. Atheists are, for the most part, simply individuals who do not believe that there are any gods. They are not organized. There are no rules. There no scriptures. They are not fighting anyone.

[Casull]

“Atheists will win. “
Nah. Atheists are, for the most part, simply individuals who do not believe that there are any gods. They are not organized. There are no rules. There no scriptures. They are not fighting anyone.

Sure seem to see them in court frequently.

[darkgael]

Hmm. In court for what?

[Casull]

Hmm. In court for what?

Do a little reading.  I can't be the only one that has seen this.

[gypsyman]

Hmm. In court for what?

Do a little reading.  I can't be the only one that has seen this.

Nope, I've seen it too! Not just here in the United States either. Seems like the only people you can criticize, shout down, beat up and not get fined, jailed or ostracized is the white Christian. You'll go to jail in Germany if you question the Holocaust. Guess they don't have a First Amendment there??

[darkgael]

Hmm. In court for what?

Do a little reading.  I can't be the only one that has seen this.

I did some reading as suggested. Atheists seem to be ready to defend the establishment clause in the U.S. Constitution. The Supreme Court will be hearing arguments related to this later this month.
American Atheists’ brief in Oklahoma Statewide Charter School Board v. Drummond is available here. Oral arguments will be held on April 30, 2025.

[Lloyd Smale]

wonder who took God out of our schools, colleges and government. sure wasnt the baptists!!

“Atheists will win. “
Nah. Atheists are, for the most part, simply individuals who do not believe that there are any gods. They are not organized. There are no rules. There no scriptures. They are not fighting anyone.

[Lloyd Smale]

humm thought they werent organized.

Hmm. In court for what?

Do a little reading.  I can't be the only one that has seen this.

I did some reading as suggested. Atheists seem to be ready to defend the establishment clause in the U.S. Constitution. The Supreme Court will be hearing arguments related to this later this month.
American Atheists’ brief in Oklahoma Statewide Charter School Board v. Drummond is available here. Oral arguments will be held on April 30, 2025.

[darkgael]

“Thought they weren’t organized”
In a real, practical, day to day sense, they are not. There are no meeting places, no rules or laws. There are no “How to be an atheist” books. Organization comes as a response to violations of the First Amendment’s establishment clause.
Who was it that took religion out of the schools? A better question is “why was religion in the schools since it is forbidden by the First Amendment?

[Mule 11]

[quote author=darkgael link=topic=307744.msg1099851435#msg1099851435 date=1744630706
Who was it that took religion out of the schools? A better question is “why was religion in the schools since it is forbidden by the First Amendment?
[/quote]

Now that is a long stretch to say that it was forbidden.


An even better question is why did we allow govt to take control of our children and schools when they notoriously suck at most if not all things they control.

[Lloyd Smale]

terrorists make the same claims when caught. God was mentioned several times in the declaration of independence and is in the pledge of allegiance that when i was young was said everyday at the start of the school day and the odd thing is you never heard of school shootings back then and if anything guns were easier to obtain. you could order them from sears!! when i was a kid we could buy 22s and shotgun shells at the local hardware store!! difference?? God was much more prevalent not only in school but at home too. . matter of fact most law is based on what the Bible says is a sin. you dont need a book to learn how not to believe in something you need THE book to educate you and take you out of the darkness. God teaches Good. what good is there in atheism. Its a selfish belief that says only you matter and you have nothing to loose being bad to others or even killing because when you die your nothing and answer for nothing. what a scary thought. it must be terrifying to not believe there's a heaven and you just rot in the ground worth no more than the mosquito you slapped on your arm!!!!!!  I think your more wako left then even guzzi! he at least believed in God and didnt defend atheists

“Thought they weren’t organized”
In a real, practical, day to day sense, they are not. There are no meeting places, no rules or laws. There are no “How to be an atheist” books. Organization comes as a response to violations of the First Amendment’s establishment clause.
Who was it that took religion out of the schools? A better question is “why was religion in the schools since it is forbidden by the First Amendment?

[darkgael]

“ what good is there in atheism. Its a selfish belief that says only you matter and you have nothing to loose being bad to others or even killing because when you die your nothing and answer for nothing. what a scary thought. it must be terrifying to not believe there's a heaven and you just rot in the ground worth no more than the mosquito you slapped ….”

Your vigor for your faith allows you to misunderstand others. Your comment above is a classic example of common misunderstanding of atheists. Your definition of what an atheist might believe or do is colored by your own bias. Perhaps that is how you would act without the beliefs which hold you in check. Your comment about “nothing to loose” is based on the assumption that without belief in god we would necessarily do evil. Are the commandments the only things which stop you from murder, rape, theft? Do you need them to know what is good and what is not?

[ironglow]

  The Occam's razor reply;

    A)  Suppose the atheist is correct.. On that final day, when we draw our last breath, what happens to either of us? .....Answer, nothingness..

   B) Suppose the Christian is correct...  On that final day and final breath, what then ?  ..Answer, the Christian joins his Savior and fellow Christian
    friends and family in a wonderful and glorious forever...while the unbeliever discovers a place where he does not truly want to be, but never can
   escape from.

 
 " So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. "  (II Corinthians 5:6-8 NKJV.)   

 

[darkgael]

IG; your contribution to this discussion is welcome.
You mention “ a wonderful and glorious forever...”
Have you ever sat down and thought about eternity? Really thought it out…. What it would mean to exist in a timeless forever?

[Mule 11]

I have spent about as much time contemplating where space ends. Pretty incomprehensible IMO.

[Lloyd Smale]

have you contemplated absolute nothingness? I think for most that's a lot scarier than an eternity in heaven

IG; your contribution to this discussion is welcome.
You mention “ a wonderful and glorious forever...”
Have you ever sat down and thought about eternity? Really thought it out…. What it would mean to exist in a timeless forever?

[darkgael]

“ have you contemplated absolute nothingness? I think for most that's a lot scarier than an eternity in heaven.”
People talk about heaven without really knowing about it. We imagine what it will be like. Since we do not really know, we bring along our earthly life. It has to be that because we have no other frame of reference. Can’t be that way, however, because “eternity” has no time.

[ironglow]

IG; your contribution to this discussion is welcome.
You mention “ a wonderful and glorious forever...”
Have you ever sat down and thought about eternity? Really thought it out…. What it would mean to exist in a timeless forever?

    Yes! I have contemplated it for 50 odd years now.  The common mistake by unbelievers, is some vision of peopple sitting on a cloud somewhere,
  listening to sacred music.  During my study of the Bible (and associated studies) over those 50 odd years, tells me that is a false picture..that we will
   have plenty to do, plenty of satisfying and rewarding things to do during that time.

  Besides, time itself may not be trhe same as we experience, since God exists and works outside time and other dimensional constraints we
   experience here.  Psalm 90:4 states: "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

   We cannot grasp in our human frailty, the magnificence of God, nor the absolute infalibility of His promises.  We have evidence before us in scripture.