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Anti-Catholicism
« on: February 22, 2024, 01:14:22 AM »
At the moment there are nine separate threads which are highly critical of some aspect of Roman Catholicism.  One wonders, I wonder, why this assault on a religion, especially since there are very few RCs who are members posting on this predominately non-catholic forum.
What is the next target? Hinduism? Buddhism?

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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2024, 03:07:20 AM »
Doesn't seem we need that stuff. Why don't we just let it die on the vine?
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2024, 04:10:38 AM »
I wondered about that myself.I’m not Catholic, but I gotta ask, why would anyone care?
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2024, 07:07:06 AM »
  I have brothers who do not agree with everything I say or do; we disagree about the details.  ..But they are still my brothers..from the same parental source.

  Being a Christian and serious about it, I tend to see Roman Catholics as fellow believers in Jesus..even though we disagree about details, but they
   are fellow believers.

    ..And since I am of the type who tries to evangelize, i would much rather do it through "friendly persuasion"..

  In almost any endeavor, it is always better to "light a candle" rather than "curse the darkness".
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2024, 07:17:36 AM »
I think you guys are missing the point here. When your antagonists are at each other’s throats, don’t interfere :)...
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2024, 03:17:20 AM »
I think you guys are missing the point here. When your antagonists are at each other’s throats, don’t interfere :)...

That might be a good plan...   except it didn't seem to work. Seems to me this short discussion might have. If so it's a good thing.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2024, 12:09:06 PM »
 MSM is controlled by globalists, and will keep pushing, the more they separate groups into smaller factions it's easier to control the whole. Now, if you come out, and even state the truth, your against whoever it was you mentioned. They've been working for 50+ years to try and destroy the 2nd. Amd. Now, their trying to restrict the 1st. Amd.
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2024, 03:35:15 PM »
At the moment there are nine separate threads which are highly critical of some aspect of Roman Catholicism.  One wonders, I wonder, why this assault on a religion, especially since there are very few RCs who are members posting on this predominately non-catholic forum.
What is the next target? Hinduism? Buddhism?
The Roman Catholic Church for centuries has suffered from being run by a dictator, which should not be challenged regardless of his errors.
With Social Media the pathetic way the RC hierarchy handled home-sexual Priests prey on boys has become public and the resulting attacks should have been expected.
NOW, that the Pople is a Socialist but  who also rejects, openly past doctrine on matters of Christian Dogma, the Church it self is starting to fracgture --again -- but then again any orginization that is run by a single person,  -- (where those who put him there, suffer through, if he says crap, they drop their pants and squat) -- eventually opposition will arise to the point of fracture, whilst the actions  by the supposed leader are opening cracks in the org. walls that elephants could stroll through as is happening now.

All major organizations fail from within, not from without. -- not to mention God generally allows those who commit apostasy to hang them selves.

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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2024, 02:02:48 AM »
Bob: your analysis of why the RC church is properly open to criticism is much more anchored in events of the day than most of the series of rants to which I was referring. Let me offer a tweak or two to what you have written. The “being run by a dictator” idea….by a long line of different men. It is true that what a particular pope says may draw a lot of attention. He is the titular leader of the oldest and largest Christian church: of course when he says something, right or wrong, people will notice. And he can be wrong. When he is, he should be taken to task. (note that the “infallibility” idea is oft misunderstood and applies only when he speaks “ex cathedra”)
In any case, the issue as I saw it and still see it is why, in this predominantly protestant forum, are the failings of the RC church being discussed at all.
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2024, 02:28:31 AM »
yup darkangel it sure would be nice if this forum was a OUTDOORS forum like it used to be instead of a place where Christians attack other Christian which just weakens Christianity and plays into the hands of liberal atheists
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2024, 04:24:40 AM »
Darkangel? Misspelling? or are you trying to tell me something?  :D

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2024, 05:15:19 AM »
Bob: your analysis of why the RC church is properly open to criticism is much more anchored in events of the day than most of the series of rants to which I was referring. Let me offer a tweak or two to what you have written. The “being run by a dictator” idea….by a long line of different men. It is true that what a particular pope says may draw a lot of attention. He is the titular leader of the oldest and largest Christian church: of course when he says something, right or wrong, people will notice. And he can be wrong. When he is, he should be taken to task. (note that the “infallibility” idea is oft misunderstood and applies only when he speaks “ex cathedra”)
In any case, the issue as I saw it and still see it is why, in this predominantly protestant forum, are the failings of the RC church being discussed at all.

Because, in the Christian doctrine it is the duty of the Christian to point out and correct the err in the other Christians ways.

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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2024, 06:15:54 AM »
miss spelled it
Darkangel? Misspelling? or are you trying to tell me something?  :D
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2024, 06:36:33 AM »
only glaring error right now in our church is that commie pope. but he doesnt go to my church. the rest of the differences wiill only be known for sure at the pearly gates and i dont really think God cares which christian church we go to on sunday. its monday through saturday hes concerned with. also the odd thing is about every week on here we see attacks on Catholics but why not the other Christain faiths that turn a blind eye to abortion. an issue the catholic church spends more money fighting than any other church? never once saw a post by any of you praising the catholic church for that. also other churches that turned a blind eye to homosexuality way before this pope started lightining up on them.

our priest stood up at mass and said homosexuality is a mortal sin and he would no longer give communion to them or anyone that supports it. 5 people walked out right there. come visit me. i can take you to a church not a block from ours that has a lesbian preacher. one other church in the town i grew up in that has a rainbow banner right up front. wheres the outrage on here and all the posts about those churches. its those churches pushing those agendas that you should be standing on the road outside church trying to teach the error of their ways. not trying to cause discontent on here.

 the catholics in your town or on here are not your enemies. we have plenty enough real enemies today to waste time attacking each others churches. a dictator controls you and your life. not one thing any pope ever said controled my life. not even my church. the mass i go to today teaches the same thing it did when i was a teenager. 
Bob: your analysis of why the RC church is properly open to criticism is much more anchored in events of the day than most of the series of rants to which I was referring. Let me offer a tweak or two to what you have written. The “being run by a dictator” idea….by a long line of different men. It is true that what a particular pope says may draw a lot of attention. He is the titular leader of the oldest and largest Christian church: of course when he says something, right or wrong, people will notice. And he can be wrong. When he is, he should be taken to task. (note that the “infallibility” idea is oft misunderstood and applies only when he speaks “ex cathedra”)
In any case, the issue as I saw it and still see it is why, in this predominantly protestant forum, are the failings of the RC church being discussed at all.

Because, in the Christian doctrine it is the duty of the Christian to point out and correct the err in the other Christians ways.
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2024, 06:46:15 AM »
  Frankly; I don't know why people get all fired up with ANY theological discussion.  No need to get all frothing at the mouth..  We should be able to
    discuss things concerning religion , withoutrancor.

  If someone makes what you consider a false claim concerning theology...just take them to our "rule book" the Bible, and show where they are wrong.,

  No need to get worked up..  If one isn't able to do this...just say "that question is above my pay grade" ....and let it go at that !

  Same with politics..no need to swear and call names..  Just employ facts (via links if necessary).  If you can't do that, just bow out.

  There is an old phrase used by people teaching law, which goes..
          "If you have the facts, pound the facts...if you don't have the facts, pound the table" ..and swear or call names too...

   I rather believe that those who get angry and swear at, or attack their opponent, either do not have the facts..or at least don't know them.

  We could have adult conversations, nonetheless.
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2024, 06:56:48 AM »
rather talk about my new/old model 8 ;)
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2024, 12:27:54 PM »
  Frankly; I don't know why people get all fired up with ANY theological discussion.
Wars were fought in Europe over Theological differences and thousands of persons died, such is the way of man, as is written in the Bible.
Nothing to be amazed about, but best to know ones enemy so one knows how to deal with it,  in the least violent way, if possible.

The wars in Europe were supposed Christian against Christian, not against a different religion.

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2024, 12:31:42 PM »
  Frankly; I don't know why people get all fired up with ANY theological discussion.
Wars were fought in Europe over Theological differences and thousands of persons died, such is the way of man, as is written in the Bible.
Nothing to be amazed about, but best to know ones enemy so one knows how to deal with it,  in the least violent way, if possible.

The wars in Europe were supposed Christian against Christian, not against a different religion.

   You may want to check with my post concerning the Crusades.  Europe once had the same problem the Israelis are facing today.

  ..And the same crowd who are backing Hamas today, are the same ones who label the Crusades as brutal and unjust.
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2024, 01:57:47 AM »
The European Wars of Religion (16th, 17th, 18th cent.) were much more about politics, land, and power than about doctrinal differences.

Note: the comment earlier “plays into the hands of liberal atheists”:   Neither liberal nor conservative political philosopies have anything at all to do with atheism. Atheism is completely apolitical.


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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2024, 03:08:53 AM »
  Outside the Muslim wars of expansion..e.g. Bangladesh, Philipines, Indonesia etc, there was virtually no "religious wars".

      However, during the 20th century, 100 million people were killed by just one branch of atheism...that being Communism.. twenty million of
     those being Christians.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810

      https://www.uccronline.it/eng/2018/04/09/communism-killed-20-million-christians-a-real-atheist-inquisition/

      Then considering the score rolled up by other unbelievers, such as Hitler and the banana republics..

        So, next time you hear some blowhard atheist/agnostic bellyache about "religion" being so war like..kindly remind them how atheists have an
        even greater burden of guilt.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2024, 05:03:31 AM »
IG : your interpretation of the cause of the many deaths that you cited is over the top and wildly incorrect. Implying, stating, that the cause of those deaths was atheism is just flat wrong, The driving force behind those horrors was not an attempt to spread atheism, not at all. All of Stalin’s atrocities, all of Hitler’s (not an atheist) had nothing to do with spreading atheism.

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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2024, 04:31:28 AM »
IG : your interpretation of the cause of the many deaths that you cited is over the top and wildly incorrect. Implying, stating, that the cause of those deaths was atheism is just flat wrong, The driving force behind those horrors was not an attempt to spread atheism, not at all. All of Stalin’s atrocities, all of Hitler’s (not an atheist) had nothing to do with spreading atheism.

  You misread, nowhere did I say that atheism was always the cause of Christian deaths, but that these deaths were brought about by prople who were atheists...there is a difference..

  Hitler killed Christians, such as Dietrich Bonhoffer or Pastor Niemuller, for instance..so much for being christian as for speaking out on natural right
   and wrong.
   Many Christians were killed by various atheistic powers, simply because such control-freak leaders, want no rivals, and they cannot handle any
  measure of respect or devotion being afforded any God.  It's a control-freak hangup, and those control-freaks who rise to the top are then most
  tyrannical of all!

    The discussion was total homicides or killings...not just Christians.   ..And the 20th century was the deadliest century on record, likely because there were far more people to kill than anytime in history.  ..And the killings were NOT DONE BY CHRISTIANS.

  Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, the South American dictators..Ortega, Maduro etc., the Castros, Che Guevera, the Kims of North Korea and current Chinese
   dictators have killed  plenty.

   If you must..historically, it was not Christians who were doing most of the killing.. Ghengis Kahn, Attila the Hun and the Muslim hordes, have
  spilled plenty of blood. 

   Then there was the 3 legions under Varus totalling 18,000 legionaires as well as an equal number of civilian laborers and service personell , wiped out by Arminius in the Teutoburger forest, on 9 AD....just another sample..

Plenty of killing going on..plenty to go around, and most not Christian inspired.  We only hear that old tale from those who have a dim view of history.


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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2024, 05:18:46 AM »
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Plenty of killing going on..plenty to go around, and most not Christian inspired.
And not inspired by atheism either.
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nowhere did I say that atheism was always the cause of Christian deaths, but that these deaths were brought about by prople who were atheists.
Now you are playing with what you wrote. When you conclude a note by writing “atheists have an even greater burden of guilt” the implication that atheism.is responsible is inescapable.
Expressions like “killed by various atheistic powers” imputes way more importance to atheism than is accurate. It is misleading.

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2024, 05:51:31 AM »
IG: you, for some reason, introduced “Christian deaths” instead of staying with the more generic references. Why was that? You introduced that, not I.That whole digression into how others were responsible for deaths historically and not Christians may be so but has nothing to do with our central idea

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2024, 06:00:50 AM »
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Plenty of killing going on..plenty to go around, and most not Christian inspired.
And not inspired by atheism either.
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nowhere did I say that atheism was always the cause of Christian deaths, but that these deaths were brought about by prople who were atheists.
Now you are playing with what you wrote. When you conclude a note by writing “atheists have an even greater burden of guilt” the implication that atheism.is responsible is inescapable.
Expressions like “killed by various atheistic powers” imputes way more importance to atheism than is accurate. It is misleading.

   Nope, not all inspired by atheism...  You seem to be looking at atheism as a philosophy, while I see it simply as a state of being.

  One can be a practical, or natural atheist..that is not believe in any god...such as the primitive tribes who have not selected one, since they just
    don't know any better.

  Then there are the philosophical atheists.

  The atheistic dictators did not just eliminate Christians..they eliminated all types of people. Without doubt the named above; .Hitler, Nietsche, Mao, Stalin , Kim etc.. are not rying to impose a religion , but to impose their power, because they are "control freaks".

  I have little doubt though, Nietche, Hitler, the Castros, the Kims, and the many banana republic tin pot dictators would all agree with Mao's claim,
   that "power grows out of the end of a gun barrel".   :D ;D
 
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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2024, 06:06:27 AM »
“   One can be a practical, or natural atheist..that is not believe in any god.” That is a common misstatement. Atheists do not believe that there are any gods. Not the same thing.

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2024, 07:06:28 AM »
“   One can be a practical, or natural atheist..that is not believe in any god.” That is a common misstatement. Atheists do not believe that there are any gods. Not the same thing.

   Obviously by definition, an agnostic is IMO, more honest than an atheist, since it is impossible to prove there is no God.

  It would seem that "I just don't know", stands on firmer ground than.. "there is no such thing as a God".

  In any case, if we cintinue in this vein..I suggest we go over to the "religion" forum..
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2024, 08:03:41 AM »
“   One can be a practical, or natural atheist..that is not believe in any god.” That is a common misstatement. Atheists do not believe that there are any gods. Not the same thing.

   Obviously by definition, an agnostic is IMO, more honest than an atheist, since it is impossible to prove there is no God.

  It would seem that "I just don't know", stands on firmer ground than.. "there is no such thing as a God".

  In any case, if we cintinue in this vein..I suggest we go over to the "religion" forum..

I disagree, I believe agnostics are mostly liars. They are mostly slippery, smiling on the inside atheists.

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2024, 09:15:56 AM »
“   One can be a practical, or natural atheist..that is not believe in any god.” That is a common misstatement. Atheists do not believe that there are any gods. Not the same thing.

   Obviously by definition, an agnostic is IMO, more honest than an atheist, since it is impossible to prove there is no God.

  It would seem that "I just don't know", stands on firmer ground than.. "there is no such thing as a God".

  In any case, if we cintinue in this vein..I suggest we go over to the "religion" forum..
I agree about the change of venue.
You, however, still do not have it right: Atheism does not say that “there is no such thing as a god”. It is impossible to prove that there is no god. It is equally impossible to prove that there is. At least it has not been done yet.
Change of venue? Are we not in the religion forum?

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2024, 10:28:11 AM »
  I stand corrected...yes we are in that forum, sorry for the error..

    Of course.. One cannot PROVE or DISPROVE the existence of God.. Just as we cannot prove or disprove that George Washington or Abe Lincoln
    ever lived, or Indian tribes lived in cliff dwellings in our southwest. We cannot bring Washington or Lincoln before us, nor today see, hear or
    communicate with those people iving in cliff dwellings.

   I cannot prove that Rome conmquered the known world by 200 AD.. or that Vikings lived in the wester world about 1000 years ago..

  Can't prove any of those things,but we have plenty of evidence that such is so.
 
  We cannot prove many things..we can only accept or reject evidence..  For me, the evidence for a God is very strong..
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