This should motivate the hiring of young veterans..

[ironglow]

  ..This should put young veterans high on the "do hire' list..since they have already been "tested and proven"...

   Latest word..most of our young adults are either to fat or too dumb to be eligible to serve.  .

  .And sorry to say, the twisted Biden administration is doing gross injury to the nature and reputation of our military.

  https://mustreadalaska.com/fat-and-dumb-army-says-only-one-in-four-young-americans-are-physically-or-mentally-fit-to-serve/

[Dee]

  ..This should put young veterans high on the "do hire' list..since they have already been "tested and proven"...

   Latest word..most of our young adults are either to fat or too dumb to be eligible to serve.  .

  .And sorry to say, the twisted Biden administration is doing gross injury to the nature and reputation of our military.

  https://mustreadalaska.com/fat-and-dumb-army-says-only-one-in-four-young-americans-are-physically-or-mentally-fit-to-serve/

I've recently watched the recruiters being interviewed on fox News and what I saw was "propaganda BS excuses": for low recruiting numbers.
To say that todays youth is too dumb and fat to serve is total BS. I've seen some "real ringers" join the military and  make it through their entire sign up.

Your link also reports on military personnel "ENDING" their military careers early. Is that because they're too dumb and fat also?
I somehow doubt it.

Recruitment is down because, young folks that normally join for things like free college, ect later on, don't need Daniel to read the "hand writing on the wall".
The military is a woke mess, and the young folks that might otherwise join see this.



PROPAGANDA COVERUP IS WHAT THIS CLAIM IS ALL ABOUT.

[ironglow]

  I can see why some young folks would not want to join the twisted mess the OBiden creeps have built, but here is still no denying that many of today's youth may not qualify.

   https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/obesity-american-adults-youth/

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/two-decades-of-progress-nearly-gone-national-math-reading-scores-hit-historic-lows/2022/10

[Dee]

  I can see why some young folks would not want to join the twisted mess the OBiden creeps have built, but here is still no denying that many of today's youth may not qualify.

   https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/obesity-american-adults-youth/

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/two-decades-of-progress-nearly-gone-national-math-reading-scores-hit-historic-lows/2022/10

People like Milly qualified. "MOST ANYBODY" that would want to join the military COULD JOIN if they were a mind to. Yes,  there are a few exceptions, but damn few are ever turned down.

It would seem to me that if one doesn't trust the woke military leadership today, that one would also be leary of their propaganda saying that out of 330 million people, there just aren't enough that qualify to be a grunt in the army. With less than one in every ten ever  seeing combat, it shouldn't be too difficult to find somebody smart enough to change a tire, cook in the mess hall, or wash hummers.
Their propaganda doesn't make sense.

[JBinMN]

It has now been determined as of last year, 2022 , that 3 out of 4
( approx.77%) would be ineligible for military service fror any number of reasons.

Source: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/09/28/new-pentagon-study-shows-77-of-young-americans-are-ineligible-military-service.html

Pretty sad state of affairs...

[Dee]

And we all know that the "WOKE Pentagon" is a straight shootin bunch a democrats. 

[Ranger99]

Well,  as much as many don't
want to hear it, there's veterans
that aren't suited to a lot of jobs.
The last place I worked at, the
shop hired a couple that didn't
work out because they just didn't
have an affinity for the job and
weren't mechanically inclined
in the least way. My department
hired a young veteran and shifted
me to a different area, but I got
put back after a couple of months
because he just couldn't hack it
and wasn't qualified in the least.
The other employees he worked
around even got together and
asked the department manager
to take him out and put him
elsewhere in the department.

I have the utmost respect for our
people that have served the country,
but not every person can do just
any job without having some natural
affinity for that job and ability.
Need to go back to merit based
hiring for everything. That's how
the country achieved greatness
before the beaurecrats interfered
with the natural order of things

[Dee]

Well,  as much as many don't
want to hear it, there's veterans
that aren't suited to a lot of jobs.
The last place I worked at, the
shop hired a couple that didn't
work out because they just didn't
have an affinity for the job and
weren't mechanically inclined
in the least way. My department
hired a young veteran and shifted
me to a different area, but I got
put back after a couple of months
because he just couldn't hack it
and wasn't qualified in the least.
The other employees he worked
around even got together and
asked the department manager
to take him out and put him
elsewhere in the department.

I have the utmost respect for our
people that have served the country,
but not every person can do just
any job without having some natural
affinity for that job and ability.
Need to go back to merit based
hiring for everything. That's how
the country achieved greatness
before the beaurecrats interfered
with the natural order of things

Agreed. The title "veteran" is many times over rated for what they can, and can't do.

[Mule 11]

Utmost respect my ass... there are turds in all walks of life. I knew a guy once that went by the name ranger and he did not cut the muster. You excluded of course as I have the utmost respect for rangers...

[Mule 11]

Well,  as much as many don't
want to hear it, there's veterans
that aren't suited to a lot of jobs.
The last place I worked at, the
shop hired a couple that didn't
work out because they just didn't
have an affinity for the job and
weren't mechanically inclined
in the least way. My department
hired a young veteran and shifted
me to a different area, but I got
put back after a couple of months
because he just couldn't hack it
and wasn't qualified in the least.
The other employees he worked
around even got together and
asked the department manager
to take him out and put him
elsewhere in the department.

I have the utmost respect for our
people that have served the country,
but not every person can do just
any job without having some natural
affinity for that job and ability.
Need to go back to merit based
hiring for everything. That's how
the country achieved greatness
before the beaurecrats interfered
with the natural order of things

Agreed. The title "veteran" is many times over rated for what they can, and can't do.

Yep, just like wannabe, special wieners and taters. washed out cops...

[Dee]

Well,  as much as many don't
want to hear it, there's veterans
that aren't suited to a lot of jobs.
The last place I worked at, the
shop hired a couple that didn't
work out because they just didn't
have an affinity for the job and
weren't mechanically inclined
in the least way. My department
hired a young veteran and shifted
me to a different area, but I got
put back after a couple of months
because he just couldn't hack it
and wasn't qualified in the least.
The other employees he worked
around even got together and
asked the department manager
to take him out and put him
elsewhere in the department.

I have the utmost respect for our
people that have served the country,
but not every person can do just
any job without having some natural
affinity for that job and ability.
Need to go back to merit based
hiring for everything. That's how
the country achieved greatness
before the beaurecrats interfered
with the natural order of things

Agreed. The title "veteran" is many times over rated for what they can, and can't do.

Yep, just like wannabe, special wiener and tater chips. washed out cops...

?

[ironglow]

   Young veterans as compared to other younger applicants when applying for a job, have already proven a few small qualifications;
 
 1) They can get up in the morning.

 2) A hangover doesn't justify a day off .

 3) No pronounced illicit drug use for a number of years

 4) Earned their own way

 5) They didn't roost in Mom's basement.

 6) As Jordan Peterson's #1 suggestion..."Make up your own bed in the morning".

 7) Responsible enough to hold a steady job for some years.

  The mere discipline of 8-10 weeks of basic training is something most civilians miss out on.

       This is not to say a veteran is better, since many non-veterans have self-disciplined themselves
     in a planned way.
     This is just saying that all veterans went through this routine discipline as an automatic matter of course.

[Dee]

Well, since only about 7% of the US population are veterans guess we're gonna have to make do with those  wimpy civilians.

As for basic training, women seem to make it through basic training ok  so I guess it's pretty much doable for the average guy.

[Lloyd Smale]

I think veterans should be given first crack at jobs THEY CAN PREFORM. I think we owe them that. For so many years we gave blacks hiring advantages that didnt do a thing. We had one in the power plant i worked at that was a control room operator and probably struggled tying his shoes. He was a joke but they couldnt do a thing about it because he was black. As to boot being easy. Its not and anyone that hasnt done it really doesnt know. We had women with our company. 2 of them. This was back when women in the service was rare. They were in our company but had a completely different physical qualification then we did. Anyone that thinks its a cake walk should go sign up for the marines and see what its about. A vet survived boot and 4 years of service. That means for 4 years they followed orders and did there job and lived without mommy coming to there rescue. Many of them even made it through combat and kept there crap together while bullets flew by and watched there buddy's die and loose limbs. Now that is the school of hard knocks. If i owned a company id MUCH rather hire a MAN like that then the typical 20 something kid today that is still sucking on mas tit and might have made it through a frat house initiation. Yup our miltary is getting woke and that needs to stop but i know some young men (and women) that are in today and its not them its those admirals and generals who get promotions because there sucking bidens ass that is destroying it.

[ironglow]

^^THAT^^^ explains it, ...Not saying  always hire a vet first, but there is a track record that should get a small, extra check mark. ...Ethnicity/color, means zilch.

[Dee]

I think veterans should be given first crack at jobs THEY CAN PREFORM. I think we owe them that. For so many years we gave blacks hiring advantages that didnt do a thing.

LESS THAN ONE IN TEN SOLDIERS EVER SEE COMBAT.
So why do we owe them first Crack at jobs? Everyone has complained for decades about minorities getting "preferential treatment," when it came to hiring. But now you're saying veterans should get the  sam "preferential treatment".

I know law enforcement officers that have experienced far more violence than the "average soldier" that never saw any.
They not only don't get "preferential treatment" outside of law enforcement, and they don't expect it.
They don't get lifetime medical, and they don't expect to.

Firemen. Same story. They don't get "preferential treatment" once they leave the fire service,  nor do  they  expect it.

While I believe that ANY VETERAN that receives injuries while "in service" should be taken care of as long as that injury persists, I believe the Veteran should furnish his own medical once he leaves the service, instead of "riding the system" for the rest of their lives.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup dee and we know that a good many of those brave police officers and fireman are vets themselves. That said i have just as much respect for a fireman or police officer or a first responder, but they already have jobs. So do you think some 19 year old kid thats been living with mommy and has never had a job in his life should have an equal shot at a police officers job then a man that served his country and by served his county even if he never saw combat or just pealed potatoes. Because without rear echelon troops you would have no army.

Just the fact they joined and were willing to go into combat for me is good enough for me. Honestly its kind of sad. I myself had a job offer at the local sherrifs dept (they believed in hiring vets)  when i got out. I almost took the job until i got an offer from the power company at almost twice the wage. (by the way they too gave preference to vets) Its a dirty shame that our police have to risk there lives for wages that are complete crap.

 What i would suggest is you take a ride to your local VA hospital and sit down in the entry area and sit there for 4 hours and see what comes through the door and see the men and women that have sacrificed for us and id bet you would be adjusting your opinion. It humbles me every day. Im a 100 percent disabled and believe i earned it with what ive gone through but i cant help but to feel uneasy when i see the sacrifices some have made. Id have to believe that your opinion would ring true with the libs but id bet it would be a very small percentage of conservatives that believe in taking ANY benifits a vet gets.

What they do for no more then some on welfare make and much less then an underpaid police officer or fireman makes. For basicaly poverty level wages should earn them something. I look at it another way. LOTS of vets get out and look for police jobs. How many police do you see quitting and joining the army as an infantryman. Also you made the statement that only a small percentage of soldiers see combat. Keep in mind though that many of those face gun fire every day or or at least a few times a week and risk of an bomb buried in the road.

State cop up here is in more danger from icy roads and idiot drivers then he is from gun fire. They basicaly write speeding tickets and put drunk drivers in jail. They do that, never get dirty, do very little physical work and get a full retirement at 25 years. Ask a few of them if they want to climb up a 50 foot pole in a thunderstorm or below zero blizzard to restore power or hot stick 345000 volts where your hair stands up on end the minute you get on the structure instead of riding around in there car. Its all a matter of perspective. Alot of it depends just like with that soldier, where your at. Me i wouldnt have made a good cop. I dont have the paitents for idiots and am pretty poor at being politicaly correct or wearing spit shined shoes.  I kind of have to argue with your job preference thing too. We had a few x cops working for the power company. They quit there job because they wanted to make more money. They were hired ahead of 19 year old pimple faced kids too. They got respect (at least in our company) for what they did.

[Dee]

I think you missed my point Lloyd. I stated police officers, and firemen that left the job to pursue other jobs. I spent 21 years in law enforcement, and decided I'd had enough. When I started applying for jobs, I didn't expect any "preferential treatment" for my 21 years of service. I still don't.

Now before this turns into a passing contest I'll say: What difference does it make whether a State trooper in Michigan gets killed by a drunk driver, or a crazy with a gun?

I have military veterans in my family, both combat experienced, and non combat. I don't need to go to a VA hospital to see wounded military veterans, I'm not a child that doesn't understand.

And I've got, friends that  have been maimed for life, and some that never came home. So the veteran doesn't own the  market for sacrifice.
They just touts it the most.

The veteran mentality many times is just because we signed up for "4 years" we deserve this, or that.

I know police and firemen that signed up and did over 30 years, but leave with nuthin more than a retirement they themselves paid into. They don't get the lifetime benefits, nor do their families, nor do they expect any.

I don't expect veterans to agree with me (though some do), but 4 years of voluntary "non combat servicedoesn't compute to lifetime benefits, and "preferential treatment" in a  job applications to me.

Now, I've clearly made my point, and like I said. I don't expect any veterans to agree. Whether veteran or civilian, nobody wants to give up their freebies, and everyone considers themselves special, and more deserving than everyb else.

[ironglow]

There are organizations honoring both military and law enforcement, such as "Tunnels to Towers"..

  Some folks I know, have done both..in fact many of today's policemen & women are former MPs.

  Why can't we just respect each other, without green envy popping his head up over the fence?

[Dee]

There are organizations honoring both military and law enforcement, such as "Tunnels to Towers"..

  Some folks I know, have done both..in fact many of today's policemen & women are former MPs.

  Why can't we just respect each other, without green envy popping his head up over the fence?

And who would that "green envy" be coming from  ironglow?

[Lloyd Smale]

I joined the service about the same time you became a cop. I made less then 400 dollars a month. Yup they paid my food and housing but that wasnt a nice barracks and good hot food. Even with that back they your talking maybe 600 bucks a month. Id bet you made more then that. Risking ones life is just part of it. That soldier is away from his family for a year or more at a time and a police officer is usually home every day to see his family. Hes overseas in a combat zone while his wife is buying food with food stamps!! State police  up till recently both had lifetime medical for familys and both the state and sherrifs had retirement plans that werent 401k. Like i said state police got full retirement with benefits after only 25 years. Today about no company has retirement plans there about all 401k.

I told you that our company gave preference to police and military but for the most part not many companies. especially today give it to either. What your talking about is veterans preference for civil service jobs. I would have thought that in a state like TX police retired police officers or ex police would be more apt to get job preference before they would in this commy state of michigan. I dont know what you have against vetrans but bottom line is MANY of them have given there lives for YOU. I respect all police fireman first responder and military. I would never vote against ANYTHING that would help any of them. No pissing match here. I think it sucks you got boned. Why didnt you stay long enough to collect a retirement?  I guess my job would have really had to SUCK before i would quit it with nothing else lined up that was at least as good. Lots of lineman love there job. I hated it. With all my medical problems that thankfully were hidden from the company i suffered many days and nights. But i just couldnt find anything else that i could do to make a better living so i bucked up and put in my time. Like you i dont want a pissing match so ive said what i will say.

I think you missed my point Lloyd. I stated police officers, and firemen that left the job to pursue other jobs. I spent 21 years in law enforcement, and decided I'd had enough. When I started applying for jobs, I didn't expect any "preferential treatment" for my 21 years of service. I still don't.

Now before this turns into a passing contest I'll say: What difference does it make whether a State trooper in Michigan gets killed by a drunk driver, or a crazy with a gun?

I have military veterans in my family, both combat experienced, and non combat. I don't need to go to a VA hospital to see wounded military veterans, I'm not a child that doesn't understand.

And I've got, friends that  have been maimed for life, and some that never came home. So the veteran doesn't own the  market for sacrifice.
They just touts it the most.

The veteran mentality many times is just because we signed up for "4 years" we deserve this, or that.

I know police and firemen that signed up and did over 30 years, but leave with nuthin more than a retirement they themselves paid into. They don't get the lifetime benefits, nor do their families, nor do they expect any.

I don't expect veterans to agree with me (though some do), but 4 years of voluntary "non combat servicedoesn't compute to lifetime benefits, and "preferential treatment" in a  job applications to me.

Now, I've clearly made my point, and like I said. I don't expect any veterans to agree. Whether veteran or civilian, nobody wants to give up their freebies, and everyone considers themselves special, and more deserving than everyb else.

[ironglow]

  Did I hear complaints about veteran's benefits, so far as VA medical and other services? 

  Just so you know, for non-wounded veterans, their medical is much like any other insurance policy. We pay co-pay for
  our docs.  In my local outreach clinic, my co-pay for a physician assistant, is $50.  I pay $15 co-pay for each
   prescription etc..

  So far as care for wounded LEOs, is there not a gratis program for them?  If not, there should be..

  Killed on duty..for a GI it is $250,000, does not a LEO killed on duty not get as much?  If not, something needs to
    be done.

  When I mentioned the disciplinary training veterans have been through..obviously, some law enforcement personnel
  go through much of the same.  I wasn't ruling hem out..

[Dee]

Lloyd your vested for retirement at 10 years. I stayed 21 years.

Now you've brought in "civil service jobs", and soldiers that died in combat.

None of which have anything to do with the topic.

[Dee]

  Did I hear complaints about veteran's benefits, so far as VA medical and other services? 

  Just so you know, for non-wounded veterans, their medical is much like any other insurance policy. We pay co-pay for
  our docs.  In my local outreach clinic, my co-pay for a physician assistant, is $50.  I pay $15 co-pay for each
   prescription etc..

  So far as care for wounded LEOs, is there not a gratis program for them?  If not, there should be..

  Killed on duty..for a GI it is $250,000, does not a LEO killed on duty not get as much?  If not, something needs to
    be done.

  When I mentioned the disciplinary training veterans have been through..obviously, some law enforcement personnel
  go through much of the same.  I wasn't ruling hem out..

There are no "government programs" for law enforcement personnel killed or maimed in the line of duty.

But let's revisit that "green envy" remark of yours. You were in the army 4 years in peace time. I served the State Of Texas, its people, and Enforced the Constitution and the Bill of Rights 21 years, OR a little over 5 times your length of service, and I paid my own own way every inch of it. What's to envy by comparison?

This is getting stupid, and nobody is gonna change anybodies mind.

I'm done.

[ironglow]

  I served more than 4 years, and not all in peacetime, and if you were to count reserve and national guard time, it would be more like 11 years..  But that is not the discussion..

  ...And no, it won't change either of us..