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OK you "enviro-whackos"..chew on this !
« on: January 25, 2023, 11:42:37 AM »
  Your wind generators around the world are starting to crumble..and in a big way !

  https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a42622565/wind-turbines-falling-over/

   So, how could this happen?  Here's one way, let's go back to second grade..just a dumb blacksmith's view..

  Those big blades are way up there from 200 to 700 feet... Sometimes the wind doesn't blow, sometimes it blows at 10 mph, sometimes at 40mph and sometimes at 60mph or more...and sometimes it blows at varying speeds.

  Now, those blades are mounted on steel pipe rising high in the air..that supports this huge wind catcher.. day after day, month after month, year after year.

  NOW..... take a piece of soft mechanics wire, and start flexing it ..back and forth..back and forth..
 
Eventually it breaks off...that's called "metal fatigue"..
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2023, 03:20:41 PM »
Sounds more like an engineering problem than an enviro-whacko issue.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2023, 03:32:34 PM »
Same thing applies to cars, tractors, air planes, ships, trains & tracks, etc. If the engineering isn't right, they break, fatigue, etc. They all need maintenance as well.

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2023, 01:37:24 AM »
Sounds more like an engineering problem than an enviro-whacko issue.

   OK ...back to reality.  I know another blacksmith who was trying to teach his son how to forge a blade. After explaining the austinetic state and the need to observe the issue, he allowed the lad to continue.
  When t e blade came out unable to hold an edge, the dad asked if the son had followed Dad's way of doing things.
   Son thought Dad's way was outdated and he could improve upon it..
 

  A few years ago , we heard of a family that had both a pet python and a new baby.  One night the python got out
    and chowed down on the baby.  Can anything be said concerning keeping a python and a baby in the same home?

  So in keeping if it weren't for the enviro-whackos demanding the wind generators we wouldn't have the problem to deal with.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2023, 01:54:06 AM »
I wish all the damn things would "fall over". They're unsightly, and less than 17% efficient.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2023, 01:56:06 AM »
  A few years ago , we heard of a family that had both a pet python and a new baby.  One night the python got out
    and chowed down on the baby.  Can anything be said concerning keeping a python and a baby in the same home?

Now, hear me out on this..........  Maybe, the conversation should center around the stupidity of (supposedly) educated humans thinking a python would understand that it's a "pet", and isn't supposed to do such things anymore.  Instead it should surrender to captivity, and rely on those same "educated" humans for it's food supply.
But.....I could be wrong.
(Spoken tongue-in-cheek.)

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2023, 02:02:02 AM »
I wish all the damn things would "fall over". They're unsightly, and less than 17% efficient.

Dee.....being a little harsh, aren't you?

Thomas Edison's first light bulb was horribly inefficient, too, but it was certainly a stepping stone to what we have today.
Henry Ford's (and other's) first horseless carriage left a lot to be desired, but look at what we have today.
I'll concede that the appearance of today's wind chargers and farms won't set any fashion trends, but it does offer a stepping stone to possibilities in power generation.
We'll be all gone by then, and maybe after that, the things will ultimatley fail, but right now, it's the "best" our technology can do.
Besides, are you aware of the income a farmer brings in for the leasing agreements with the owners of those windmills?

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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2023, 02:07:02 AM »
  More like..it is stupid to keep a python and a baby in the same home.  Python not needed..choose one. 
 By the same token, wind generators not needed..prove them out first, then install

    The blacksmith.. smartazz kid thinks he can just jump up and change abruptly, a system we have known and used for centuries.

 Enviro~whackos: ..Build thousands of windmills before you know how long and well they will endure.  Especially egregious, since we have plenty of energy to last several hundred years.

   Common sense would say.. build 50.. and place them at various locations, let them perform daily for several decades, while closely observing them for any correctible issues.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2023, 02:12:20 AM »
I wish all the damn things would "fall over". They're unsightly, and less than 17% efficient.

Dee.....being a little harsh, aren't you?

Thomas Edison's first light bulb was horribly inefficient, too, but it was certainly a stepping stone to what we have today.
Henry Ford's (and other's) first horseless carriage left a lot to be desired, but look at what we have today.
I'll concede that the appearance of today's wind chargers and farms won't set any fashion trends, but it does offer a stepping stone to possibilities in power generation.
We'll be all gone by then, and maybe after that, the things will ultimatley fail, but right now, it's the "best" our technology can do.
Besides, are you aware of the income a farmer brings in for the leasing agreements with the owners of those windmills?

Roger

Well, I'll admit that you made me reconsider my opinion, and taking your points into consideration.

We have an abundance of coal, and natural gas to last for centuries, and while some folks like these "windmill abominations" most of'em don't have to look at'em.  >:(

I WISH ALL THE DAMN THINGS WOULD FALL OVER "SOONER THAN LATER", OVER HALF OF'EM DON'T WORK MOST OF THE TIME,  AND THEY'RE UNSIGHTLY,  INEFFICIENT,  AND A WASTE  OF MONEY.

There. Is that better? :-\

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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2023, 03:04:30 AM »
Where would we be if we had to test everything for several decades first?

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2023, 03:10:59 AM »
Where would we be if we had to test everything for several decades first?

Where would we be if we didn't have liberals such as yourself? Better off. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2023, 08:08:46 AM »
Sounds more like an engineering problem than an enviro-whacko issue.

Yeah well, it all leads back to enviro-wacko's.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2023, 08:17:42 AM »
I wish all the damn things would "fall over". They're unsightly, and less than 17% efficient.

I agree completely. These monstrosity's are not the answer to our power generation.  We have the technology to burn gas, and coal cleanly, but the eviro-wacko's won't let us.

Its the same with the electric cars. They are never going to work in this country.  they want everyone living in cities, and walking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3vvmU6kfpI
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2023, 09:15:34 AM »
Of course, easier to round you up for the train to auschwitz.

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2023, 10:09:40 AM »
I wish all the damn things would "fall over". They're unsightly, and less than 17% efficient.

Dee.....being a little harsh, aren't you?

Thomas Edison's first light bulb was horribly inefficient, too, but it was certainly a stepping stone to what we have today.
Henry Ford's (and other's) first horseless carriage left a lot to be desired, but look at what we have today.
I'll concede that the appearance of today's wind chargers and farms won't set any fashion trends, but it does offer a stepping stone to possibilities in power generation.
We'll be all gone by then, and maybe after that, the things will ultimatley fail, but right now, it's the "best" our technology can do.
Besides, are you aware of the income a farmer brings in for the leasing agreements with the owners of those windmills?

Roger

  OK...let's look at that situation..

  Edison's light bulb was by nature, very crude, so he didn't even try to push it onto the general public. ..And back then, when the majority were thinking people they didn't jump up, ready to throw proven sources
  to the wind.
   Instead Edison took his time, developed the product and when he was ready offered it to individuals and municipalities.  People didn't throw out their candle sticks or kerosene globe lamps in wild anticipation.  Marketing took care of itself.  Notice though, developer finances the costs either by himself, or through venture capital.

     Then there is the automobile.. Karl Benz invented the first example in 1866.  Folks looked, watched it run...and said...hmmm interesting..  Then other parties, often with venture capital went on to develop their versions.

  Autos were considered a "rich man's toy" for many years, primarily because they were noisy, smoky and erratic in operation in relation to the horse. ...run a mile...fix a while...

  Back in 1866, gasoline was not greatly available, and not in widespread use.  in fact, in Germany, gasoline is still
   called "Benzine"..     Hmmm, ever wonder why ?

  It wasn't until the very early years of the 20 century, that they started gaining acceptance...thanks to the
    persistence of a few entrepreneurs... Such as Henry Ford, John M Studebaker and Ransom E Olds..
  Still folks didn't kick old Dobbin out of the barn or burn their buggies !

   Cars were not generally accepted until the early teens of the 20th century...around a half century after the
  first one announced

   Cogent points: 
  1)  Things are developed as the need develops..We have no compelling reason to get rid of our
  great running cars and trucks.
       
  2) Cost of development of those products, rested wholly upon the designer or the designer raising venture capital..which flowed in due to public need.

  3)  None of those products required that the federal government put generations into long running deficit to
 begin to develop these items.

   4)  If left alone, profit potential, operational need and public desire will bring about the development of needed
     products.

  Rather than put our grandchildren in debt for generations, let us recall the words of a wise old man named Plato

  who said:   "NECESSITY, IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION"

   ...And beyond the goofy religion of the Enviro~Whackos...this crap is not yet necessary !

     
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2023, 10:19:01 AM »
Where would we be if we had to test everything for several decades first?

  Yeah TW...  Now that public education is teaching litttle kids to have sex..even if it is with the neighbor man,
   teaching a little girl too have her breasts lopped off...and her brother to have his weenie lopped off.....

   Well; we can just toss out the Bible and it's wisdom of at least 5 millennia, and the values handed down to us by a hundred generations of hard working, decent ancestors...  Then jump up and say... "let the lefties have our kids to do with as they wish..  After all, they are the 'elites' and know what is best !

    Hillary told us.. "IT TAKES A VILLAGE" to raise a  child..and to her, that village is big, the oppressive government !,
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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2023, 11:00:08 AM »
We have over a century of experience with wind turbines.

https://www.siemensgamesa.com/explore/journal/2019/11/siemens-gamesa-inventors-day

If someone created a python that ate enviro-whackos how many decades of testing would be required before releasing it on the general public? :)

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2023, 11:10:52 AM »
We have over a century of experience with wind turbines.

https://www.siemensgamesa.com/explore/journal/2019/11/siemens-gamesa-inventors-day

If someone created a python that ate enviro-whackos how many decades of testing would be required before releasing it on the general public? :)

   Over a century of experience with wind turbines huh!  Then they should have these elementary problems figured out by now !
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2023, 12:07:14 PM »
I wish all the damn things would "fall over". They're unsightly, and less than 17% efficient.

Dee.....being a little harsh, aren't you?

Thomas Edison's first light bulb was horribly inefficient, too, but it was certainly a stepping stone to what we have today.
Henry Ford's (and other's) first horseless carriage left a lot to be desired, but look at what we have today.
I'll concede that the appearance of today's wind chargers and farms won't set any fashion trends, but it does offer a stepping stone to possibilities in power generation.
We'll be all gone by then, and maybe after that, the things will ultimatley fail, but right now, it's the "best" our technology can do.
Besides, are you aware of the income a farmer brings in for the leasing agreements with the owners of those windmills?

Roger

......................................

Yes, actually there are many designs for wind energy harvesting. Why the industry went with large towers with large blade propeller driven generation machinery at the top  I don't know?
Seems expensive and archaic to me.
I always thought the Darwin Wind Pipe system made more sense and better economics. The Darwin Wind Pipe system employs an engineered multifaceted wind collector on a tower that doesn't move or rotate, and collects wind from any direction. The wind is channeled down to ground level to power the generator machinery. No elaborate towers or moving parts to harm birds.  Easy servicing, too.
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    That sounds a lot more logical, and if the government would just butt out..and stop assaulting our national budget,
  the whole situation would resolve itself!  If the government would just proceed along as Pres Trump did, keeping us #1 in the world, in almost every category..things would resolve..

    We could go a couple hundred years on our petro dominance, then as petroleum starts to tighten up, work could begin in earnest to find other answers, which we will undoubtedly have run into by then...without using clunky windmills..  today it is hydrogen..fusion..and who knows what we will discover over the next two centuries ?

  The problem lies with the crippling faults of the leftists..a partial list below;

  1) People naturally drawn to the left are control freaks..believing themselves to be so 'superior' that they should be
    able to dictate to others, where, how and even why, they should live.

 2) Most of the green freaks are Gaia worshippers, and she is a 'jealous god'..

 3) For the most part no matter what they claim, they have turned their backs on God.  As Newt Gingerich recently said; if one wants a small god, then they must have a big Gov.  If they want a big God, then they must have a small Gov..

4) Common knowledge; the left loves big government..

 5) We already know government cannot do anything as well as capitalist, free market does.  Compare NASA to Spacex, and hundreds of other things.
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2023, 12:31:42 PM »
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If someone created a python that ate enviro-whackos how many decades of testing would be required before releasing it on the general public? :)



Oh, I think a year or two would be sufficient.    ;)
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2023, 04:12:18 PM »
We have over a century of experience with wind turbines.

https://www.siemensgamesa.com/explore/journal/2019/11/siemens-gamesa-inventors-day

If someone created a python that ate enviro-whackos how many decades of testing would be required before releasing it on the general public? :)

Hmmm, how phallic. Freudian even...

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2023, 01:58:43 AM »
We have over a century of experience with wind turbines.

https://www.siemensgamesa.com/explore/journal/2019/11/siemens-gamesa-inventors-day

If someone created a python that ate enviro-whackos how many decades of testing would be required before releasing it on the general public? :)

   Ohhh Siemens... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#:~:text=The%20company%20supplied%20electrical%20parts,malnutrition%20and%20death%20were%20common.

   Siemens has made many things..  Click onto that link and read Siemens history from 1933 to 1945
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2023, 03:43:06 AM »
  OK...let's look at that situation..

  Rather than put our grandchildren in debt for generations, let us recall the words of a wise old man named Plato

  who said:   "NECESSITY, IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION"

   ...And beyond the goofy religion of the Enviro~Whackos...this crap is not yet necessary !


(Your post abbreviated by me out of convenience)
All VERY good talking points, and 100% correct.  Which leads me to the only thing left that I can say..........

"Now, how do you argue with that?" (Said slightly tongue-in-cheek)

Roger

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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2023, 03:47:23 AM »
Most of the windmills cracking today are over 20 years old and made from fiberglass.  Some new ones are made from aluminum, which can be recycled.  Fiberglass was and probably still is cheaper than aluminum.   

There are several new things coming down the pike with windmills. 

The ones that float, can be a bank of smaller aluminum windmills on a fixed grid that can float around to face the wind.  They are easier to repair and being made of aluminum can be recycled.  One of these with the combined smaller windmills put out more power than the huge fiberglass ones in less area.

One company has made a direct shaft connection with the generator with no gearing.  Even turning slow it puts out power.  This eliminates much of the maintenance and oil changes. 

Many new companies are coming out with vertical windmills that spin with the generators on the ground.  Smaller footprint, less maintenance.  No climbing towers. 

The new technology is still in it's infancy for many companies.  Semens is just one of many and they stuck with traditional windmills for too long. 

Solar will have the same problem as windmills.  20-30 year lifespan due to etching of the panels from dust and wind over the years. 

Greenies have got to understand the only way to clean the air and have a lot of power is with nuclear power plants.  Redesigning homes and buildings for energy savings is another way.  We have to use fossil fuels for the next 30-50 years while better and cheaper solar panels and windmills are built and put in service.  No way out of it. 
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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2023, 05:00:26 AM »
  The heart of conservatism;

       We are not in a rush to throw out the original method, process or product, we don't just throw things out,
   and then look for some kind of replacement
     
   When we are told to stop a practice or desert a proven method or item..we all become Missourians,
   saying... "show me" !

    Putting it simply.....    " IF IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT ! "
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2023, 06:19:40 AM »
Another issue with enviro wackos, and elitist lefty's is that they don't want wind mills where they can see them, but in everyone else's backyard.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/27/climate-extremists-hideous-wind-farms-are-coming-to-your-backyard/
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2023, 12:43:22 PM »
Another issue with enviro wackos, and elitist lefty's is that they don't want wind mills where they can see them, but in everyone else's backyard.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/27/climate-extremists-hideous-wind-farms-are-coming-to-your-backyard/

  Yeah...you don't see windmills over Manhattan, even though there are already plenty of towers there !

  You won't see they spinning over Martha's vineyard either..

  BTW:  Here's an aerial view of Billionaire's Lane in the Hamptons..where the Obamas, the Clintons and other top Dems like to hang out..and suck-up to billionaires.
   Do you see a single windmill for miles and miles?  How about even one out in the bay?  Check it for 1, 2 or 3 minutes, it's all the same.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGCnLvRskJk
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2023, 01:16:34 AM »
Vineyard Wind, coming to Martha’s!

https://www.vineyardwind.com/barnstable

    Check your Google map.. To drive from Barnstable to the island of Martha's Vineyard, you would have to drive for 1 hour and 47 minutes..except for the time you would be aboard a ferry boat on the Atlantic ocean.

Wind turbines coming to NYC!

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/new-york-city-wind-turbines

   Well..they are not there yet, wait until the whining starts. Besides, that is NOT over NY City, as I stated, but out over salt water..
   

Wind power comes to the Hamptons

https://www.eenews.net/articles/how-offshore-wind-won-over-most-of-the-hamptons/

   You have a partial here.. but of course, the wind turbines will not be turning over billionaires Lane (actually, Meadow Lane) which I posted..but out there in their salt water solitude.

Enviro-whackos winning!

  More truthfully, if the Whackos win, humanity loses... starting with their God given rights.
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Re: OK you "enviro-whackos"..chew on this !
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2023, 01:36:24 AM »
TW being a bit disingenuous here..as usual..

  Those "off shore" wind farms will be headquartered in the Hamptons, but where will the actual turbines be?

  According to the New York wind power group, it will be "60 miles east of Montauk Point, NY"

  From the article.. 

  " Beacon Wind 1 Key Facts
The project is located over 60 miles east of Montauk Point and will be the first offshore wind project in the U.S. to utilize High Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) transmission technology.
The project will connect to New York’s electricity grid through the Astoria Substation in Queens.
The project will establish an operations and maintenance base in Sunset Park, Brooklyn."


  Ummm..Montauk point is the "lands end east"  of Long Island. Look it up on Google map..

 Sheesh!  That's like saying you're going to build a gas station in Fort Wayne, Indiana..and then you build it in Defiance, Ohio, which is 52 miles away !

  The left, lying as usual.. when trying to "virtue signal"...
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