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Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« on: August 27, 2022, 04:01:27 AM »
  Repairs on an electric car..a friend's experience, I guess.  Repairs, $ 29,842.15..how much does a Chevy volt sell for when new?
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Re: Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2022, 06:15:43 AM »
As I understand it, this is for one of the original Volt models, and the battery is no longer in production.  If the battery were still in production, the cost would be considerably lower (though still quite expensive).  Just another one of the risks of an EV.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2022, 06:54:52 AM »
Sometime in the late 1990's IIRC,
A coworker and myself were doing
something and one of us happened
to look at a battery pack for the
then current electric Ranger truck.
Something over $14,000.00

Still not practical after all these years
People never take into account
possible collisions that destroy the
battery, a very rare lightning strike,
flooding, vandalism, theft, etc.
Lots of things can happen besides
plain ol battery failure to create
the need for replacement
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2022, 08:56:19 AM »
Bunch of BS. Did a quick search on batteries for that vehicle can be found between 4-9 thousand.
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2022, 09:12:57 AM »
Bunch of BS. Did a quick search on batteries for that vehicle can be found between 4-9 thousand.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2022, 03:30:58 PM »
You think car replacement batteries are expensive now. Just wait until the graphite, and Lithium that China produces 80% of gets more expensive. the United States is not even in the top 25 countries that produce raw minerals to make batteries for EV's.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2022, 03:06:29 AM »
Brought up thieves going after the batteries in the cars and called a thief by bugdip. Now I’ve seen their even stealing the charging cables for the copper.

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2022, 03:38:58 AM »
Brought up thieves going after the batteries in the cars and called a thief by bugdip. Now I’ve seen their even stealing the charging cables for the copper.

And the people pushing the EVs are the same ones who live in places that the police don't arrest people for non violent crimes.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2022, 07:04:41 AM »

I knew about the high battery cost from owning an electric fork lift. $ 8,000.00. And they are not as large as the ones in a car. Personally I think it sucks.
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2022, 07:16:33 AM »
I ain't buying an electric car. I'll drive my pickup until I can't. If I'm still kickin I'll buy a buggy.  8)
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2022, 12:15:38 PM »
I ain't buying an electric car. I'll drive my pickup until I can't. If I'm still kickin I'll buy a buggy.  8)

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Re: Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2022, 01:20:08 AM »
As I understand it, this is for one of the original Volt models, and the battery is no longer in production.  If the battery were still in production, the cost would be considerably lower (though still quite expensive).  Just another one of the risks of an EV.

   The customer in the slip was either one of those rare model Volts, or they got seriously ripped off !  Still; such batteries will be a hard-to-take setback when they fail.  The maker says the batteries will fail 6-10 years out, but they will help the owner out financially, if they fail before 6 years.
 
    Here is a list of prices on batteries for GM vehicles, which run  $5,000+ for a certain Buick, to $15,000 for a Chevy Spark.  .Talk about "throw-away" cars in that Spark !
   Keep reentering thE link, the costs list seems to change, covering other makes..wide disparity among makes/models..
    https://repairpal.com/estimator/chevrolet/volt/hybrid-high-voltage-battery-replacement-cost#:~:text=The%20average%20cost%20for%20a,model%20year%20or%20unique%20location.

     Scroll down a bit more, and find attendant costs and needed replacements along with batteries...THEN add labor..
   Obviously, the value of used EVs is going to plummet..  If someone offers a 4 year old EV for sale, will you be willing to shell out much cash for something that you know will likely fail very soon, and run to a cost on average, of $12,000 to $14,000?

  Then we don't know if GM (or others) will warrantee the battery for 2nd owners...  Sure looks like EVs are meant to be "throw-away" vehicles..

   Note; the Buick on the list is lowest price.  ...Perhaps because some Buicks are made in Chia.  After all, China is due to profit from all that lithium..and we get the toxic material that seemingly never depletes.

   Perhaps a few million$ from China, to Hunter and the "big guy", buys much!
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Re: Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2022, 01:30:21 AM »
  How about this one?  Statement taken from link..

  " The average cost for a Smart For two hybrid high voltage battery replacement is between $18,475 and $18,581."

   Would you shell out $18K, plus added necessary associated parts and intallations?  Looks like it could easily be
   a bill for $24,000 !

  Another source...   https://chevyguide.com/chevy-volt-battery-replacement-cost/

   THen, on the same site, they come up with this weak, silly excuse;

  "How often do Chevy Volt batteries need to be replaced?

about 6-10 years
 
The Chevy Volt is equipped with a hybrid high voltage battery, and these types of batteries typically last, on average, about 6-10 years. On the flip side, batteries in conventional, gas-powered vehicles only last about 3-5 years."


  OK, so the battery for a gas powered vehicle fails after 3-5 years...but they avoid mentioning that the gas vehicle battery doesn't cost $19,000...

  ...Another report..
   " How much does it cost to replace the batteries in a Ford Lightning?
The ER in the XLT requires not only $10,000 for the battery but also $9,500 for the additional stuff in the 312A trim ($19,000 total). Fleet Pro customers will be able to get the ER battery for $49,974.Jan 5, 2022"

   
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Re: Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2022, 11:05:09 AM »
Naysayers didn't do their homework, evidently. The price as pictured represents the scarcity of the battery ... GM discontinued them. You can look it up yourself, I did; its not hard. Prior to 2019, the price may have been $9,000. Not today. Few suppliers if any have them in stock. The car on the receipt is a 2017; 5 year battery life isn't unreasonable. The fact that GM dropped production of the battery should be concerning to folks want to convert everyone to EVs. Can you promise me that if I do what buttiegeg says and go into debt to buy a $75,000 EV, that in 5 years the replacement battery will be available, and not exorbitant? No. You can't. Anymore than you can promise me that there will be a quantum leap in home solar collection, battery storage, and AC conversion loss to where I actually can run my entire home, two cars, cricket farm and my progressive life off the panels on my postage stamp town home.

The problem with EVs isn't the EVs, they're getting better and they suit some people fine (not me). Its the EV_angelists trying to ram them down everyone's throat before its ready for prime time. If they'd shut up and let the technology develop in parallel, they'd probably be super happy with the result they're not getting by pissing off everyone now and souring the future. And while they're at it, they could just accept the fact that EV is not a one size fits all solution. You want me to hurry up and get an EV? I want you to hurry up and accept that you cannot do away with fossil fuels.

I have a friend that oversees school buses for a very large district, mountainous, sub freezing temps, frequent slides, several months of near dark. A national agency called asking why they hadn't converted the fleet to electric. Its not uncommon for a school bus to get trapped by a slide for most of a day, requiring the heat to remain on, and be ready to roll in austere conditions, and cover very long rural routes. Evidently he laid out case after case of what their buses regularly have to do, and the agency finally said, enough, we get it.
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Re: Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2022, 11:53:03 AM »
https://www.truecar.com/blog/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last/

If your battery has unusually low capacity or fails completely, you may be covered for a replacement. Federal law requires automakers to warrant electric vehicle batteries for eight years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. This can help cover unexpected repair costs and is one of the many ways that electric vehicles save you money. And with some brands, the warranty is transferable from the original owner.

Under normal driving conditions, EV batteries can last 10 years before they need to be replaced. That’s much longer than most people keep a new car. So unless you’re shopping for used vehicles, you may not have to worry about how long an electric car battery lasts....

Currently, the average cost to replace an electric car battery is $5,500. Batteries are one of the more expensive components in an electric vehicle. And if you need to replace a battery after your warranty expires, it’s helpful to know how much you’ll be spending out of pocket. We recommend getting your battery installed at the dealership, which can source and install genuine OEM batteries certified by the manufacturer.


Real world people keep cars longer that 10 years nowadays, or in the past, but even at that value is determined by mileage.
So you are supposed to sell/trade a car that will in the near future, need work, cost the equivalent of replacing a gasoline engine - which - means you vehicle will have near zero trade value.
No one except a fool, will buy a used car that will need a new engine in the near future.

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Re: Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2022, 12:01:49 PM »
https://www.truecar.com/blog/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last/

If your battery has unusually low capacity or fails completely, you may be covered for a replacement. Federal law requires automakers to warrant electric vehicle batteries for eight years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. This can help cover unexpected repair costs and is one of the many ways that electric vehicles save you money. And with some brands, the warranty is transferable from the original owner.

Under normal driving conditions, EV batteries can last 10 years before they need to be replaced. That’s much longer than most people keep a new car. So unless you’re shopping for used vehicles, you may not have to worry about how long an electric car battery lasts....

Currently, the average cost to replace an electric car battery is $5,500. Batteries are one of the more expensive components in an electric vehicle. And if you need to replace a battery after your warranty expires, it’s helpful to know how much you’ll be spending out of pocket. We recommend getting your battery installed at the dealership, which can source and install genuine OEM batteries certified by the manufacturer.


Real world people keep cars longer that 10 years nowadays, or in the past, but even at that value is determined by mileage.
So you are supposed to sell/trade a car that will in the near future, need work, cost the equivalent of replacing a gasoline engine - which - means you vehicle will have near zero trade value.
No one except a fool, will buy a used car that will need a new engine in the near future.

A large portion “are fools”

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2022, 12:02:28 PM »
Best get used to them. In less than 20 years electric will be all that’s available :(

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38213848/automakers-pledge-end-gas-sales-2040/

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Re: Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2022, 12:15:39 PM »
Best get used to them. In less than 20 years electric will be all that’s available :(

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38213848/automakers-pledge-end-gas-sales-2040/

Nothing says greed like pandering to a trend, especially when the profitability of short lived, nascent technology, and scarce parts is so lucrative! I wonder how much $$$ certain elected officials and their families have invested in the auto industry?
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2022, 01:09:45 PM »
  Could true Fascism have been demonstrated any better than this?  Big brother government ORDERS what
  privately owned corporations can and cannot manufacture..

       Definition...

     https://www.dictionary.com › browse › fascism
Fascism Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
Fascism definition, a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. See more.


   About the only place the "woke" troglodytes differ from that definition, is that this gang are not nationalists, but rather INTER-nationalists..or fans of "one world government".
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2022, 02:10:16 PM »
. . .  Federal law requires automakers to warrant electric vehicle batteries for eight years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first.

Only thing is, that's for a manufacturer's defect.
If some drunk person t bones your electric car
at an intersection, that's under vehicle insurance.
Warranties from any manufacturer have
never covered damage from accident/collision.
Same if you drive around a barricade into
deep water like these people around here
often do. See your insurance agent for extra
EV coverage
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2022, 02:34:32 PM »
Best get used to them. In less than 20 years electric will be all that’s available :(

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38213848/automakers-pledge-end-gas-sales-2040/
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Re: Posted on my FB, by my niece..
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2022, 05:52:30 PM »
Best get used to them. In less than 20 years electric will be all that’s available :(

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38213848/automakers-pledge-end-gas-sales-2040/

I won't be around in 20 years and for sure won't be driving anything unless it's a wheelchair.


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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2022, 01:57:27 AM »
     I think many are missing the real point here.  The WEF crowd intends that we will not personally own any cars or trucks by then.  They plan on OUTLAWING private ownership of vehicles..
 
  https://nextnewsnetwork.com/2022/07/29/world-economic-forum-seeks-to-end-private-vehicle-ownership/

   Have we forgotten already?  The WEF has already declared, "You will own nothing, and be happy"!

   Sure we will be happy...Especially if some super rich guy with several mansions, private jets and a barn full of fancy cars, says so..

 I won't be here then, but unlike the leftists..I am concerned with the freedom of Americans in the future...
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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2022, 02:08:55 AM »
Best get used to them. In less than 20 years electric will be all that’s available :(

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38213848/automakers-pledge-end-gas-sales-2040/

I won't be around in 20 years and for sure won't be driving anything unless it's a wheelchair.

Same here. I vote my convictions as best I can, but the future beyond me, is up to the youngsters.
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