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mid west deer!!!
« on: April 25, 2022, 10:44:00 PM »
one of my sisters has a nephew that goes all over the country hunting. He like killing more then eating. Sister called and said she had a deer taking up space in the freezer. Apparently they boned off all the meat and didnt trim it and stuck it in a garbage bag and froze the whole thing. Took two days for me to thaw it. It must have been @180lb buck. Back straps were huge. It was shot in the corn fields of ohio. Now normaly i dont grill tenderloins even on a doe thats bigger then a 120lbs because they can be chewy. I finished butchering and it was nice outside so i said what the hell and did it. You could about cut them with a fork. About as tender as what id find in a 90lb doe. Those deer must live easy lives with tons to eat. Id sure love to do some crop damage killing down there.
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2022, 02:28:24 AM »
In 1993, I killed an 8 point in Illinois on a farm covered in white oaks and surrounded by thousands of acres of corn and soybeans,
That buck was rolling fat and there was so much fat around his liver and kidneys that nothing was recognizable.
I had the whole deer made into summer sausage that was better than any beef sausage I'd ever eaten.
I took some to work and then they would beg me to bring more.

Nancy won't touch any wild game so my co-workers ate most of it.  I had around 20 five pound rolls.
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2022, 02:55:25 AM »
Way back in the late 60's the economy hit a big slump here so a co-worker and I took off for northern NM to go deer hunting. We went up northwest of Las Vegas and hunted for a couple of days at about 9,000' but when the ground thawed you could walk about 50 yards, find a stick and a stump to sit on, and scrape the mud off your boots because you could hardly carry them they were so heavy. We abandoned that place for lower country and went up on Glorietta Mesa where it was dry and a little warmer and there I killed the biggest deer I ever got. It had been a bumper year for pinon nuts and they were everywhere even after the pinon pickers had got all they wanted and quit. That deer was a butter ball and hadn't entered the rut yet plus he was laying down in the shade of a pinon tree. He was so tender you could cut him with a fork and the second deer I ever killed that was really good eating. A blizzard chased us off the mesa before my hunting partner got a deer though. Took us two days to make it home.

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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2022, 03:43:24 AM »
Had a guy down the street give me a button buck frozen in a garbage bag that I could’ve made a hat with all the hair stuck to it and even the back straps were chewy. I have never had a tough button before and wonder what he did to Mae it so.

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2022, 07:25:46 AM »
All of the deer down here in SE Wisconsin are tender like that unless you get a really crazed, amped up buck from the rut or one that was wounded.  They do have a very easy life here with plenty of food even in the winter. If lots of snow (which is rare) there is more than enough browse to keep them healthy for the winter if necessary.  We had a very low snow year so they had access to fields all winter.

They are even better if they are aged, like fine beef!  Sorry Lloyd can't resist it...
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2022, 12:14:59 PM »
They're all tender after a trip
through the grinder   :D
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2022, 09:48:35 PM »
sorry not biting today. I KNOW the truth in that.
All of the deer down here in SE Wisconsin are tender like that unless you get a really crazed, amped up buck from the rut or one that was wounded.  They do have a very easy life here with plenty of food even in the winter. If lots of snow (which is rare) there is more than enough browse to keep them healthy for the winter if necessary.  We had a very low snow year so they had access to fields all winter.

They are even better if they are aged, like fine beef!  Sorry Lloyd can't resist it...
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2022, 09:51:15 PM »
i actually kicked myself in the ass. I knew it was a 9 point buck so figured it was mostly burger. I kept the back straps and made about 5 lbs of cube steaks out of hind quarter meat and ground the rest. If i would have know it was this tender i would have kept more of the hind quarter meat for steak. But then at the price of burger the 20lbs I got will save a few bucks and i was down to pretty much the last of my venison burger anyway.
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2022, 11:14:01 PM »
Different species...feral hog. 

Three (3) "brothers" crept under my tree stand, each about 85 pounds.  With 270 Winchester in hand, I kept telling myself, "Don't shoot yourself in the foot!", as I shot straight down into the first from a 12-foot-tall platform tree stand, anchoring him on the spot.

The other two ran a short distance behind and to the left of the stand and stopped for an instant as I swung around and shot the 2nd.  I immediately got down to look and spied a standing hog 25 yards behind the stand and shot it, thinking the 2nd had survived a 150 grain 0.277" Nosler Partition.  It was the 3rd.

Three shots and 3 hogs in less than 60 seconds.  When I opened them up, I was faced with the color purple and the aroma of fermented grape!  They had been gorging themselves on the wild grapes that drop from the vines and were drunk and marinated on the hoof!

Best pork I ever ate!


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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2022, 12:48:33 AM »
Different species...feral hog. 

Three (3) "brothers" crept under my tree stand, each about 85 pounds.  With 270 Winchester in hand, I kept telling myself, "Don't shoot yourself in the foot!", as I shot straight down into the first from a 12-foot-tall platform tree stand, anchoring him on the spot.

The other two ran a short distance behind and to the left of the stand and stopped for an instant as I swung around and shot the 2nd.  I immediately got down to look and spied a standing hog 25 yards behind the stand and shot it, thinking the 2nd had survived a 150 grain 0.277" Nosler Partition.  It was the 3rd.

Three shots and 3 hogs in less than 60 seconds.  When I opened them up, I was faced with the color purple and the aroma of fermented grape!  They had been gorging themselves on the wild grapes that drop from the vines and were drunk and marinated on the hoof!

Best pork I ever ate!


Mmmmm, biscuits and sausage gravy.
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2022, 01:08:48 AM »
Hey Landowner;
  Does the grape addition ruin th emeat for some uses, or is it fine for regular uses?

  A few years ago I was visiting a brother who used to winter in Florida (Zeyphr hills), before his wife died.   We were invited to a BBQ in the neighborhood, and even allowing for the skill of the chef, that was the best pork BBQ I have ever tasted..

   50-70 pound wild hogs..
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2022, 02:54:06 AM »
Does the grape addition ruin the meat for some uses, or is it fine for regular uses?

Those feral hogs were "self-marinated" in the natural juice of fermented grapes they had been eating, as provided by Mother Nature, on the hoof.  How long they had been eating them, IDK, but seasonally for certain, for as long as they had grown on the vine, and thereafter fallen to the forest floor.

1.)  For the record...
2.)  I have never used "grapes" as marinade for meat.
3.)  I have used, and will continue to use "Italian" salad dressing as an excellent marinade.
4.a.)  Submerge, zip lock, or place pork pieces in a baking pan with Italian dressing
4.b.)  Let pieces sit covered overnight in the fridge
4.c.)  Turn pieces over in the fridge/baking pan a couple of times
5.a.)  Drain the marinade from the meat prior to heat
5.b.)  Grill the meat over medium heat, watch thickness, and don't burn
5.c.)  Baste meat with Italian dressing as it cooks
5.d.)  VERY IMPORTANT - assure pork is DONE (cooked through and through) prior to serving
6.)  Serve with BBQ sauce (for some), apple sauce (for me), mashed taters, corn, beans, etc.

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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2022, 09:59:18 PM »
only boar ive ate came from a buddys fenced game farm. He fed the pretty good but the meat varied A LOT between pigs. ive ate some sows big and small and some smaller males that tasted great. Ive also had some smaller males that were rank. I had on big bore that stunk like piss so bad that it was hard to butcher. I thought marinade and cook it and it would be eatable. Well the first time i tried cooking it the whole house smelt like piss. So i figured id make smoked summer sausage out of it. Wasted alot of money on that brain storm. Even spiced and smoked you could smell that pissy smell. My dad would eat anything so i gave him a bunch of the sausage. He did the same thing i did and tossed it in the garbage. That was the worse one but also the first one that stunk like that. After that if i started butchering and smelled anything pissy even a little pissy i tossed them in the woods. Thatfully i didnt have to pay to shoot them. I also quit killing any pig even a sow that was over 200lbs.
Different species...feral hog. 

Three (3) "brothers" crept under my tree stand, each about 85 pounds.  With 270 Winchester in hand, I kept telling myself, "Don't shoot yourself in the foot!", as I shot straight down into the first from a 12-foot-tall platform tree stand, anchoring him on the spot.

The other two ran a short distance behind and to the left of the stand and stopped for an instant as I swung around and shot the 2nd.  I immediately got down to look and spied a standing hog 25 yards behind the stand and shot it, thinking the 2nd had survived a 150 grain 0.277" Nosler Partition.  It was the 3rd.

Three shots and 3 hogs in less than 60 seconds.  When I opened them up, I was faced with the color purple and the aroma of fermented grape!  They had been gorging themselves on the wild grapes that drop from the vines and were drunk and marinated on the hoof!

Best pork I ever ate!


Mmmmm, biscuits and sausage gravy.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2022, 10:40:34 PM »
Shoot them in the head.  DRT.  Don't "run", scare, or chase them at all.  Scarring them gets that "primordial soup" of fight or flight adrenaline-chemistry coursing through every fiber of their tissue, and THAT makes meat "gamey". 

Remove the scent glands, a grape-sized, grayish mass in the fat, on EVERY hog.  There at least four (4) tucked into places, in particular, "arm pit" places under the front shoulders and rear hams.  Failure in this when cooking will result in inedible meat. 

Some old boars are not only TOUGH, "taking exception" to being shot in the head, they are also rank!  Don't shoot them through, or when gutting "nick", the intestines and especially the bladder. 

In a lifetime of shooting and eating HUNDREDS of them, I've only tossed one, which appeared to me to be wormy (unconfirmed but taking no chance), one for being inedible and stinking up the house (scent gland cooked), and one that was Mother Nature's Zombie - it had been hit by a car days before, had lain down at the pond to die, and was a nightmarish living and breathing "remanent pancake" of a dehydrated animal looking up at me when I came upon it and put it out of its misery.  Not the kind of stuff that makes "Sausage for Breakfast" very appealing.

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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2022, 02:16:41 PM »
only boar ive ate came from a buddys fenced game farm. He fed the pretty good but the meat varied A LOT between pigs. ive ate some sows big and small and some smaller males that tasted great. Ive also had some smaller males that were rank. I had on big bore that stunk like piss so bad that it was hard to butcher. I thought marinade and cook it and it would be eatable. Well the first time i tried cooking it the whole house smelt like piss. So i figured id make smoked summer sausage out of it. Wasted alot of money on that brain storm. Even spiced and smoked you could smell that pissy smell. My dad would eat anything so i gave him a bunch of the sausage. He did the same thing i did and tossed it in the garbage. That was the worse one but also the first one that stunk like that. After that if i started butchering and smelled anything pissy even a little pissy i tossed them in the woods. Thatfully i didnt have to pay to shoot them. I also quit killing any pig even a sow that was over 200lbs.
Different species...feral hog. 

Three (3) "brothers" crept under my tree stand, each about 85 pounds.  With 270 Winchester in hand, I kept telling myself, "Don't shoot yourself in the foot!", as I shot straight down into the first from a 12-foot-tall platform tree stand, anchoring him on the spot.

The other two ran a short distance behind and to the left of the stand and stopped for an instant as I swung around and shot the 2nd.  I immediately got down to look and spied a standing hog 25 yards behind the stand and shot it, thinking the 2nd had survived a 150 grain 0.277" Nosler Partition.  It was the 3rd.

Three shots and 3 hogs in less than 60 seconds.  When I opened them up, I was faced with the color purple and the aroma of fermented grape!  They had been gorging themselves on the wild grapes that drop from the vines and were drunk and marinated on the hoof!

Best pork I ever ate!


Mmmmm, biscuits and sausage gravy.

I've learned the hard way about the
stinky feral hogs. Short version-  I've
tried all the suggestions I've heard about
soaking, marinades, washing, spice rubs,
etc. etc. etc. etc. so-and-so this and that
If they have that menstrual smell when I
go to pick them up,  they get dragged off
to a far corner and opened up and left
for the buzzards and worms
If times get hard and I get hungry enough,
I'll try to work with the stink after I run
out of possums to eat
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2022, 10:47:26 PM »
thats the truth. Ive probably not killed near as many as you but killed enough to know that some are just rank no matter how you kill them or butcher them.
only boar ive ate came from a buddys fenced game farm. He fed the pretty good but the meat varied A LOT between pigs. ive ate some sows big and small and some smaller males that tasted great. Ive also had some smaller males that were rank. I had on big bore that stunk like piss so bad that it was hard to butcher. I thought marinade and cook it and it would be eatable. Well the first time i tried cooking it the whole house smelt like piss. So i figured id make smoked summer sausage out of it. Wasted alot of money on that brain storm. Even spiced and smoked you could smell that pissy smell. My dad would eat anything so i gave him a bunch of the sausage. He did the same thing i did and tossed it in the garbage. That was the worse one but also the first one that stunk like that. After that if i started butchering and smelled anything pissy even a little pissy i tossed them in the woods. Thatfully i didnt have to pay to shoot them. I also quit killing any pig even a sow that was over 200lbs.
Different species...feral hog. 

Three (3) "brothers" crept under my tree stand, each about 85 pounds.  With 270 Winchester in hand, I kept telling myself, "Don't shoot yourself in the foot!", as I shot straight down into the first from a 12-foot-tall platform tree stand, anchoring him on the spot.

The other two ran a short distance behind and to the left of the stand and stopped for an instant as I swung around and shot the 2nd.  I immediately got down to look and spied a standing hog 25 yards behind the stand and shot it, thinking the 2nd had survived a 150 grain 0.277" Nosler Partition.  It was the 3rd.

Three shots and 3 hogs in less than 60 seconds.  When I opened them up, I was faced with the color purple and the aroma of fermented grape!  They had been gorging themselves on the wild grapes that drop from the vines and were drunk and marinated on the hoof!

Best pork I ever ate!


Mmmmm, biscuits and sausage gravy.

I've learned the hard way about the
stinky feral hogs. Short version-  I've
tried all the suggestions I've heard about
soaking, marinades, washing, spice rubs,
etc. etc. etc. etc. so-and-so this and that
If they have that menstrual smell when I
go to pick them up,  they get dragged off
to a far corner and opened up and left
for the buzzards and worms
If times get hard and I get hungry enough,
I'll try to work with the stink after I run
out of possums to eat
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Re: mid west deer!!!
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2022, 04:41:48 PM »
Some years back,  we had a nice
place to cull hunt,  and in addition
to deer all over the place, there was
feral swine without number.
My buddy and me spent much time
boning pork and made a 60 quart
cooler full of sausage. Beautiful clean
looking meat. Cooked it all on a
big commercial type smoker he got
from somewhere and he came up
with a vacuum packer and bags.
Anyway, every bite of that carefully
made sausage stank as soon as
you got your fork under your nose.
I've never earned my red wings and
wasn't about to start with stinky
sausage. We ended up tossing all
of it. Probably wouldn't have poisoned
anybody, but why take a chance.
If they stink, I leave em in the field
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