One little known fact or in the Russian/Ukraine war..

[ironglow]

 There is the element of a religious war.

 As was mentioned here, during a discussion..Putin has indeed re-energized the Russian orthodox Church, but he has done it in the eastern orthodox tradition..where the Tsar or the Supreme political head...leads the church.

  Here in the USA, we are rather spoiled with our "seperation" clause in our constitution, but that does not take place everywhere, and we sometimes have a problem understanding this.

  There is a history there..Joseph Stalin was an orthodox seminary student before he was leader of the Supreme Soviet.

  In the old Soviet Union, 1990s style..many KGB graduates were sent on to study (and eventually dominate) their 'orthodox' church !

  Here is a short, 6 minute explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olacZBA4ptc 

[Mule 11]

Yeah, I see that the lgbtq community rejects this... was that your point?

[BUGEYE]

Them ruskie priests need to study their Bibles.
Putin is leading them down that wide road to hell.

[gene_225]

I was reading an article by some Austrian pastor the other day who was saying that after an hour and a half meeting with Putin a few years ago, he came to understand that Putin and Russians see the world thru a lense tinted by the Crimean War. Their anger with Europe is based on the fact Europe  sided with the Turks in that war and they believe that is why they lost.

[ironglow]

Yeah, I see that the lgbtq community rejects this... was that your point?

  What is the relevance?   ..Explain please..

[Mule 11]

I viewed your youtube link and it had a bunch of others after that had the lgbtq crowd unhappy with Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church.

[ironglow]

I viewed your youtube link and it had a bunch of others after that had the lgbtq crowd unhappy with Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church.

  Oops!  Guess we are not on the same page.  My link is to a video, which explains how the KGB took over the Russian orthodox church..by design.. 
   ..And in the same way the communist/fascists took over a major political party here in the US !

  The subject was explained by a line under the video, which says;

  " Oh my God, comrade! How russians use church as KGB dealers"

  I don't dwell too much on what the purple crowd believes...

[ironglow]

I was reading an article by some Austrian pastor the other day who was saying that after an hour and a half meeting with Putin a few years ago, he came to understand that Putin and Russians see the world thru a lense tinted by the Crimean War. Their anger with Europe is based on the fact Europe  sided with the Turks in that war and they believe that is why they lost.

  Ye Gads!!  That war was fought from 1853 until 1856..  Are they still holding a grudge well over a century and a half? 
   Nobody remains alive from that era..neither soldiers, citizens or politicians!

  The Russians who are so angry, aren't furious by experience, but by adopting a position based on what they heard or "feel".  They should be told to "get a life" !

[gene_225]

Doesn't seem that strange now does it really? We have folks on GBO, both of them, who still seem angry about the American Civil War which was fought about that same time period. Hmmmm....

[Lloyd Smale]

ill give that an amen

Doesn't seem that strange now does it really? We have folks on GBO, both of them, who still seem angry about the American Civil War which was fought about that same time period. Hmmmm....

[billy_56081]

Doesn't seem that strange now does it really? We have folks on GBO, both of them, who still seem angry about the American Civil War which was fought about that same time period. Hmmmm....

Hahahahahaha! So true I can't understand how people can be so childish to be angry over something that happened before they were born.

I  myself am happy that everything in history happened as it did.

[Lloyd Smale]

its like they say with time travel. Change one tiny thing and you may not have even been born or we might not be speaking English today.

[gene_225]

its like they say with time travel. Change one tiny thing and you may not have even been born or we might not be speaking English today.

Agree! That's why it's a mistake to want to change anything in your past life. If I hadn't lived the timeline I did, I'd have never met the wonderful woman I'm married to. I'd have never met the two children we have together. Probably would not have ever lived in Oregon. Etc. Etc. Etc.

[ironglow]

The Eastern Orthodox church's origins are in Crimea, and predate the Roman Catholic ethic. What has come down and known has modern Christianity owes alot of liturgy to those Bysantine Crimean scribes and clerics.

Putin made a deal with Netanyahu to return ownership of Alexander's Courtyard and Church to Russia, which is adjacent to the Church of the Holy Spelucher. This is said to be a top Putin priority, but Israel's Bennett have not honored the agreement.

An interesting story is that Crimea monks after the Crucifixion went to Jerusalem and obtained reliquaries of the Crucifixion. The Russians claim parts of these reliquaries are in chapels on their major naval ships. Apparently, they have chapels - - not woke libraries on ships.  They claim the Moskva chapel contained wooden reliquaries from the actual Crucifixion cross, but were sent to the bottom of the sea when Ukraine/NATO sunk the Moskva...

Stalin, who's wife was jewish, turned out to be an avowed Zionist.
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  Litergy..  I don't recall reading about lengthy, involved litergys in God's word. We have a good accountvof gatheringtogether, performing the memorial service with "bread and the cup".  We also learn about all followers or converts being provided many hours of instruction, concerning doctrines, belief and practices of the faith.
   "Reliquaries of the cricifixion"  .. How many tons of the"true cross" wood , tucked away somewhere?  How many have the right thumb of Saint So & So, in a little silver box?  ...And there must be atleast a few dozen spikes from the "true cross" in circulation..
  Such things are not a good idea, since some who may be weak in their faith, may tend to start worshipping such relics, which can lead to all kinds of error.

[Casull]

Doesn't seem that strange now does it really? We have folks on GBO, both of them, who still seem angry about the American Civil War which was fought about that same time period. Hmmmm....

Hahahahahaha! So true I can't understand how people can be so childish to be angry over something that happened before they were born.

I  myself am happy that everything in history happened as it did.

Well, as long as you are happy.  Myself, I lament the destruction of the republic and the bloated, overpowered central government we have now.

[Dee]

Doesn't seem that strange now does it really? We have folks on GBO, both of them, who still seem angry about the American Civil War which was fought about that same time period. Hmmmm....

Hahahahahaha! So true I can't understand how people can be so childish to be angry over something that happened before they were born.

I  myself am happy that everything in history happened as it did.

Well, as long as you are happy.  Myself, I lament the destruction of the republic and the bloated, overpowered central government we have now.

I stand amazed that if one has a different view of what, and who, actually caused the very "uncivil war", then you must be angry.

I'm amazed that the same people who presently don't trust their government, trust the 1861 government, and believe that those who trust neither,  are angry.

The winners of the Civil War wrote "their version" down as historical fact, damm be the time lines, and contradictory evidence. Them Southern boys are just angry because they lost.

Citizens on both sides should be angry, but obliviosly aren't, as it was the end of "States Rights", and has much to do with how we ended up where we are now.

So what many here confuse to be anger, is actually disappointment in others missing the obvious.


https://civilwarcause.com/CWIntroduction.html

[gene_225]

Doesn't seem that strange now does it really? We have folks on GBO, both of them, who still seem angry about the American Civil War which was fought about that same time period. Hmmmm....

Hahahahahaha! So true I can't understand how people can be so childish to be angry over something that happened before they were born.

I  myself am happy that everything in history happened as it did.

Well, as long as you are happy.  Myself, I lament the destruction of the republic and the bloated, overpowered central government we have now.

I stand amazed that if one has a different view of what, and who, actually caused the very "uncivil war", then you must be angry.

I'm amazed that the same people who presently don't trust their government, trust the 1861 government, and believe that those who trust neither,  are angry.

The winners of the Civil War wrote "their version" down as historical fact, damm be the time lines, and contradictory evidence. Them Southern boys are just angry because they lost.

Citizens on both sides should be angry, but obliviosly aren't, as it was the end of "States Rights", and has much to do with how we ended up where we are now.

So what many here confuse to be anger, is actually disappointment in others missing the obvious.


https://civilwarcause.com/CWIntroduction.html

Which is exactly what the Russians are saying about Europe and Ukraine.