Texas Needs To Get Out Of This Failing Union

[Dee]

The United States government has opened its borders, invited chaos, and abandoned its border states, and the other 46 states don't care.

Texas should take Ted Cruzs' 2021 advice. Secede, keep our military bases, STOP paying taxes into the United States government, and shed the accrued debt that goes with it, using that tax money to secure our own border.

We would be better off keeping our tax monies, and rid ourselves of the burden of this messed up debacle called the United States and its ever increasing government corruption.

https://www.salon.com/2021/09/09/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/

[phalanx]

The United States government has opened its borders, invited chaos, and abandoned its border states, and the other 46 states don't care.

Texas should take Ted Cruzs' 2021 advice. Secede, keep our military bases, STOP pay taxes into the United States government, and shed the accrued debt that goes with it, using that tax money to secure our own border.

We would be better off to rid ourselves of the burden of this messed up debacle called the United
States.

I agree and I live right on the state border to Texas.

[Lloyd Smale]

well its a nice thought and you do have oil to barter with but is it owned by texans? Would the rest of the country allow you to steel it from the owners. Do you have the capability to feed everyone? Again you do have beef to barter with. Military bases. Good luck with that. At best you will get some empty buildings because the government isnt leaving planes and military hardware for you if you do take them over. Its not leaving you soldiers to man them either and how many texans do you think would actually fight and risk there lives to get them away from the federal government. Keep in mind that even texas is about 40 percent liberal. Its a nice thought and I can see your reasoning for wanting it but i doubt its ever going to be any more then a dream. I dont think even in texas you could get a consensus large enough to make it happen. The government has one other trump card. All they would have to do is throw there hands up in the air and say they dont give a crap and mexico could easily walk in and take texas back. I dont think any administration be it conservative or liberal would stand back and let texas succeed. I dont think any state is capable of making it on its own. If were dreaming lets let California go it on there own. That would take away most of the liberal power in our government and wed probably never again see a democrat as president. We wouldnt have to worry about bs like global warming nut cases or electric cars. You think prices are high now. Add to your taxes an ammount that would support an seperate infostructure, military, your own currency backed by gold, soicial security ect and it would end up worse then the economic mess that canada has. Add to that we NEED states like texas. We NEED to fix what we have not make it worse.   

[Dee]

There's a lot to know about Texas, and 99% of American citizens have no idea about our culture, and our economy.


https://texashillcountry.com/if-texas-were-its-own-nation-could-it-survive/

[oldandslow]

Nearly all of the land in Texas is privately owned. Mineral rights don't have to be sold with the land. I just had a very small windfall from my grandfather whose farm was sold about forty years ago but the mineral rights were retained. It depends on who has ownership of the rights as to what is done with them. All I want now is to see a few oil wells drilled.

Texas' problem with leaving the Union is they gave up that right with readmission to the Union after the Civil War and with no legal way to leave it would involve a fight. Personally I can understand the sentiment but think it would be a complete nightmare just like the first time was.

[Dee]

It's becoming a nightmare now oldandslow. It's a worse case scenario, but the United States government has abandoned us, and are now doing what Mexico did. Tax the hell outta Texas while providing Texas with nuthin.

[Lloyd Smale]

with the exception of CA and Nyc and a few other liberal concentrations the federal government has abandon ALL of us. We need to come together not split apart to fight these sobs. we need every conservative vote in the country to beat them and even some wised-up independents.

[oldandslow]

It's becoming a nightmare now oldandslow. It's a worse case scenario, but the United States government has abandoned us, and are now doing what Mexico did. Tax the hell outta Texas while providing Texas with nuthin.

I understand. Texas is only 18 miles away and we do get news from there. The feds take care of NM because the place is completely democrat when it comes to federal except for one lonely House member from the southeast corner and the dems have gerrymandered the new districts to do away with her and most republicans in state government. I'm surprised to not hear that the republicans have taken this to court. I could move back to Texas but the sand blows and the water is crappy where I would choose to live plus I would pay more taxes. At least I could hunt deer on my place without having to buy an out of state license. 

[Dee]

I'm ready, so are others. It would save Texas more than 1.5 trillion dollars a year, and that would give us money to beef up everything, along with our economy, and oil industry.


https://crtxnews.com/should-texas-secede/

[Dee]

The federal government taxes us, but provides very little in return.

EXAMPLE:

https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/

[phalanx]

https://texashillcountry.com/if-texas-were-its-own-nation-could-it-survive/

I think she could, a little rough at first but that would change.

[Mule 11]

I’d think that there are a lot of Americans that would back em. Maybe even an alliance along the south.

[Dee]

Get out now Texas. Let's keep our oil, and gas, and our 1.5 trillion dollars a year, and help ourselves. The United States government doesn't care about us, nor do the other 46 states.

SECEDE!

[phalanx]

If you do i hope this area of NM goes with you. And gives Santa Fe the middle finger on the way out. All of these county’s , that’s about 1\4 of this entire state. And we have oil.

[Mule 11]

Well. I’d like to see someone do something other than caterwaul. Somebody has to open the ball...

[Lloyd Smale]

I sincerely wish you luck with it.

[Dee]

I sincerely wish you luck with it.

Lloyd, Texas won't secede, or even try, unless things get much worse.  And und Biden they will.  The question is: how much worse. The news media has shifted Everybodys attention to the Ukraine. So far that's working,  and Americans are preoccupied with the Ukraine and aren't focusing on their own country.

[Lloyd Smale]

I dont disagree with anything you say on it. Another 4 years of this crap and i think the whole country will be in revolt against the government. I only have few arguments against it. First we NEED states like texas if were ever going to straighten this mess out. The other is we know the government wont allow it and right now we have at least half the country on our side. If Texas succeeds you have maybe 35 percent of your own state that will be against you because that many are liberals and will be in a constant fight with your own texans. Some of your major citys are just like any other city, Liberal. Then to organize a government that isnt constantly being attacked by your own people who want it there way and trying to defend it would be a daunting task. What we need is to take back OUR government not spilt up into a bunch of weaker ones. I really think youd see the mess on the border and in your towns would improve drasticaly within a month of election. No republican will be elected that doesnt run on shutting down our border, improving the economy and becoming energy independent and texans that are taking it in the ass today will probably benifit the most from those three things. I knows its easy for me to say but be patient.  I truly think better times are coming for your state. That is if tm7s buddy putin doesnt turn it into a nucellar waste land while biden plays on tic tock. If within a year of the next election and were still here if nothing has improved ill chear for your state succeeding and as a matter of fact youll probably have one more snowbird yankee looking for a home there.   

I sincerely wish you luck with it.

Lloyd, Texas won't secede, or even try, unless things get much worse.  And und Biden they will.  The question is: how much worse. The news media has shifted Everybodys attention to the Ukraine. So far that's working,  and Americans are preoccupied with the Ukraine and aren't focusing on their own country.

[orerancher]

 Americans are preoccupied with the Ukraine and aren't focusing on their own country.


That's the Whole Point.......

[phalanx]

Americans are preoccupied with the Ukraine and aren't focusing on their own country.


That's the Whole Point.......

If it isn’t the Ukraine, then it will be something else. The MSM loves drama.

[Dee]

Americans are preoccupied with the Ukraine and aren't focusing on their own country.


That's the Whole Point.......

If it isn’t the Ukraine, then it will be something else. The MSM loves drama.

So do the American people.

[Matt]

Americans are preoccupied with the Ukraine and aren't focusing on their own country.


That's the Whole Point.......

If it isn’t the Ukraine, then it will be something else. The MSM loves drama.

So do the American people.

Absolutely!

and as to the topic, I agree, Texas could stand on its own with no problem. In the 3 years that I lived in Texas I traveled the WHOLE state and Oh My God, it is huge. It has most every type of industry and more than enough farm land, cattle land, forest land.... yeah it is huge.... and I absolutely loved my time there.  Married my wife in Nacogdoches Texas in a little Spanish church. The whole congregation attended since neither of us had family there. Greatest bunch of folks in the world in Texas.... I have also traveled to every state except Alaska and Hawaii, and spent at least 1 week in each state. Texas is where I want to retire to for sure. 

Matt

[Dee]

We could use a bunch like you, so move it on over here.

[darkgael]

https://thetexan.news/texas-ranks-29th-for-reliance-on-federal-funding/

[Dee]

Texas could shed an immediate 30 trillion dollar national debt on the first day. A friend of mine Texas State Representative David Swinford many years ago, introduced a state bill to secede from the union.

His point was, that the money saved by Texas seceding would be so great, that every child in Texas could have a free college education, including those of illegal aliens.

Texas needs to secede.

[ironglow]

Secession..an intriguing thought !  ..But one that should not be taken lightly..  Texas has a proud history and a distinct culture,  except for a few leftist enclaves..
  However, pride should not lead an entity down a primrose path to a hasty move..that has happened before...  Yes, they could slip out of the current national debt, ignoring that much of it was caused by another Texan.. LBJ and his most deceptive "war on poverty".

  Independence would require many years of establishing credibility in the world community.  Then there comes the consideration that.."no single state is an economic or political island".  If after independence, China decided to invade Texas.. I don't suppose Texas would look to the 49 remaining United states to come to their aid, would they?  ..And if they did, wouldn't that pile a huge defense debt upon a new nation?
  How about tariffs?  Every truck or train in or out of Texas..would be taxed..

  I can understand the frustration of the 4 states bordering Mexico..because it is the same frustration we all feel with the Democrats in power.  ..But keep in mind, the leadership of two of those states don't seem to mind the broken border, so if Texas does complete the wall..would a corrupt boss in NM prevent illegals from sneaking through a big slice of of Texas' western border?
  In such a case, you would only be trading a leaky southern border for a leaky western border.

  Keep in mind the last time secession was tried...it didn't work out well for any Americans.   ...And we don't need a redux!

[Dee]

Well, your short stay in Texas 50+ years ago does not qualify you to understand , or have a feel for what Texas experiencing now.
And no, you can't understand the frustration Texas, and the other 3 border states are experiencing now, because you don't live here, and aren't seeing it first hand, from the way it was, to the way it is now.

Secession was about States rights then, and that's what it would be about now. You are now, and have been for many decades, in your on little world, and know nuthin about anything outside it, other than what you read, or see on TV.

You know nuthin about our economy, our culture, economic potential  or weaknesses,  and have no knowledge of what we could, or couldn't accomplish if freed from the burden politically, and economically from the liberal north.

Your advice, and prospective on Texas and its issues are as constructive as our present Washington government.

[oldandslow]

would a corrupt boss in NM prevent illegals from sneaking through a big slice of of Texas' western border? In such a case, you would only be trading a leaky southern border for a leaky western border."

The current one sees nothing at all to worry about on our southern border and if she remains in power which she is very likely to do after this fall's election will do absolutely nothing along the state line between Texas and NM.

Matt, before you jump on Dee's invite check on southeastern NM. We are mostly a bunch of Texans moved a little west and share the same good attributes of at home Texans. We also enjoy a lot of public land, lower taxes so far, fewer people, almost no humidity to deal with, and real mountains close enough to drive to in a fairly short time.  We do have a bunch of crappy politicians everywhere except in this area but we make a very small footprint to do harm on the national level and we ignore a lot that comes from Santa Fe that we don't like. If you like a lot of trees you are out of luck. We have plenty of mesquite bushes and the largest oak forest on earth but it is only about 2' tall.

[pastorp]

Well I wish you well on your plan to succeed from the union. However why would you think it will work this time? Last time the southern states tried it it didn’t work. History has a way of repeating itself.

[Dee]

Well I wish you well on your plan to succeed from the union. However why would you think it will work this time? Last time the southern states tried it it didn’t work. History has a way of repeating itself.

I assume your being sarcastic as no one here has heard me talking about "my plan" to "succeed", or "secede" for that matter. But one thing to keep in mind. Nobody thought Joe Biden would ever be president after two miserably failed attempts. 
But look at him now.