Americans WANT A King!

[ironglow]

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   Dee, your snide remarks  for both Guzzi and myself are productive.  Why do you feel compelled to come on
   With insults and crudities ?   Seems it was not long ago when Bill cautioned both of us to "play nice", but here
   we go again !

  I try to carry a dialog with Guzzi, and you seem to have a need to butt in with insults....Why ?  Why are you so
   driven to carry such a condescending attitude?
 
 
   Did you as a sheriff deputy, behave with that style of professional courteously,  whenever you made a traffic
     stop?  .... Or Is it something  that has come on with age progression?
   

Butt in? I started this thread, and it isn't about Guzzis' politics, although he tried to change it to Trump.

You swoop in and change it to "guzzi/ironglow show" in your usual manner of challenging him to use "only the facts" that in his history here, has never done, while you post your form of reasoning and continual websites.

As for your question of my habits, and old age.
I've learned that folks like Guzzi never change in their tactics, or views. And that its ridiculous to assume they will.

I've also learned that folks like you, think your all knowing, and continually justify going on, and on and being indignant when someone points it out.

So now, I'm gonna turn this thread that I started over to you, so you can pound Guzzis' never changing political views into ironglow dust. Maybe hes JW. You can beat on that horse some more.
It's all yours, I'll not "butt in"?

   Dee, thank you for the courteous and reasonably worded reply.  No need to desert the thread, since you know threads will sometimes wander.

Of course, in re-reading the OP, we can find it speaking of freedom and the lack thereof.  Surely it has not drifted by much, since that is exactly what we are talking about !

  So, feel free to chime in and make both Guzzi and myself appear sophomoric..

[Dee]

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   Dee, your snide remarks  for both Guzzi and myself are productive.  Why do you feel compelled to come on
   With insults and crudities ?   Seems it was not long ago when Bill cautioned both of us to "play nice", but here
   we go again !

  I try to carry a dialog with Guzzi, and you seem to have a need to butt in with insults....Why ?  Why are you so
   driven to carry such a condescending attitude?
 
 
   Did you as a sheriff deputy, behave with that style of professional courteously,  whenever you made a traffic
     stop?  .... Or Is it something  that has come on with age progression?
   

Butt in? I started this thread, and it isn't about Guzzis' politics, although he tried to change it to Trump.

You swoop in and change it to "guzzi/ironglow show" in your usual manner of challenging him to use "only the facts" that in his history here, has never done, while you post your form of reasoning and continual websites.

As for your question of my habits, and old age.
I've learned that folks like Guzzi never change in their tactics, or views. And that its ridiculous to assume they will.

I've also learned that folks like you, think your all knowing, and continually justify going on, and on and being indignant when someone points it out.

So now, I'm gonna turn this thread that I started over to you, so you can pound Guzzis' never changing political views into ironglow dust. Maybe hes JW. You can beat on that horse some more.
It's all yours, I'll not "butt in"?

   Dee, thank you for the courteous and reasonably worded reply.  No need to desert the thread, since you know threads will sometimes wander.

Of course, in re-reading the OP, we can find it speaking of freedom and the lack thereof.  Surely it has not drifted by much, since that is exactly what we are talking about !

  So, feel free to chime in and make both Guzzi and myself appear sophomoric..

Neither of you need me to point that out.
 
2nd Corinthians Chapter 11 verse 19. For ye suffer fools "GLADLY", seeing ye "YOURSELVES" are wise.

This thread is all yours, I'm done.

[phalanx]

Most Kings acted like dictators. An inbred monarchy is not what we want. 
 

[darkgael]

What can you present to indicate that Pres Trump was seeking a   
      dictatorship ?  Facts now, not assumptions, I am ready to present the alternate  comparison..so post away.

My single quibble with Mr. Trump is based on a comment that he made during his campaign when he told a grouo of supporters not to believe anything bad that they might read about him as it was all fake news. He reiterated the idea after his election in an address to US war veterans “ Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening," Trump said. "Just stick with us, don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news."
He told a news reporter in an interview that he “bashes the press to “demean” and “discredit” reporters so that no one will believe negative stories about him”

I understand that many of you accept these words as sage advice.  I see them as very dangerous, as a way of saying
“I am never wrong”. That is something not to be trusted in any politician, especially from a man who freely admits to using creative hyperbole/truthful hyperbole.

[Casull]

What can you present to indicate that Pres Trump was seeking a   
      dictatorship ?  Facts now, not assumptions, I am ready to present the alternate  comparison..so post away.

My single quibble with Mr. Trump is based on a comment that he made during his campaign when he told a grouo of supporters not to believe anything bad that they might read about him as it was all fake news. He reiterated the idea after his election in an address to US war veterans “ Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening," Trump said. "Just stick with us, don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news."
He told a news reporter in an interview that he “bashes the press to “demean” and “discredit” reporters so that no one will believe negative stories about him”

I understand that many of you accept these words as sage advice.  I see them as very dangerous, as a way of saying
“I am never wrong”. That is something not to be trusted in any politician, especially from a man who freely admits to using creative hyperbole/truthful hyperbole.

Even if I accept your interpretation (I don't), none of that makes Trump a dictator.  He was subjected to daily negative press from the day he was sworn in (actually prior).  Much of it has been proven false.  So, I don't blame him one bit for saying the MSM is full of BS.  IT IS!

[darkgael]

Much of it has been proven false.

Ah. There is the difficulty. Has “it” really? Kinda depends on who you trust. Show me a news source that is not biased…..one way or the other. In virtually every coup d’etat, the first attack, the first occupation is the broadcast/news media. Control the media and you can do what you want. Muddy the waters and you can get away with a lot.
Read anything bad about me and it’s fake news. I am never wrong. I never make mistakes. Trust me.

[ironglow]

What can you present to indicate that Pres Trump was seeking a   
      dictatorship ?  Facts now, not assumptions, I am ready to present the alternate  comparison..so post away.

My single quibble with Mr. Trump is based on a comment that he made during his campaign when he told a grouo of supporters not to believe anything bad that they might read about him as it was all fake news. He reiterated the idea after his election in an address to US war veterans “ Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening," Trump said. "Just stick with us, don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news."
He told a news reporter in an interview that he “bashes the press to “demean” and “discredit” reporters so that no one will believe negative stories about him”

I understand that many of you accept these words as sage advice.  I see them as very dangerous, as a way of saying
“I am never wrong”. That is something not to be trusted in any politician, especially from a man who freely admits to using creative hyperbole/truthful hyperbole.

   I have already suggested that Pres Trump is not a polished politician...but then, i think we already have too many of them.  Coming from the business world, where he had to compete and prove himself every day, is far different from slippery, career politicians.
  He is brusque and to the point in his dealings, doesn't deal in "shading the truth" as so many politicians do.

  Yes, he accused the major media of often being "fake news",!  Personally, I think he was "spot on", and his words have been proven true, time and time again.
 
   You quote him as saying, " what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what is happening" !  Well, I tyhgink we can all attest to the MSM misleading the public on a regular basis. 

  Their most egregious manner of lying, is simply ..lying by omission !  We are all familiar with the oath.."the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth".
      That is exactly why Dr Alan Dershowitz is at this moment, taking CNN to court !  They ommitted a couple of his words...enough to change what he said, into an exactly opposite statement !

  Even if your statement is fully accurate, that doesn't make Trump out to be a potential dictator.  A man pontificating as he runs for office perhaps..but dictator..no way.

     Lets do a quick comparison..

  Trump advocated the expression of freedom..the right to keep an bear arms, the right for citizens to peaceably assemble and worship.
   Unlike Obama, he never called our Bill of Rights ..a "negative" Bill of Rights !
 
  He even advocated for the petroleum industry to aid America with decent prices at the pump and leverage abroad.  He paved the way for American companys to return to America.

  He reduced taxes...something rarely done by dictators !

   Unlike the Democrats, he never supported mandating wearing masks, never threatened jobs and rights of people who refused vaccinations..never shut down places of worship, nor did he ever restrict travel intyerstyate by American citizens.
   I presume he considered such restrictive mandates as to DICTATORIAL !


   

[ironglow]

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     DG says of Trump;

    " I understand that many of you accept these words as sage advice.  I see them as very dangerous, as a way of saying
“I am never wrong”. That is something not to be trusted in any politician, especially from a man who freely admits to using creative hyperbole/truthful hyperbole."
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   Joe Biden is saying something demonstrably wrong almost every time he speaks...is he daily admitting that he is wrong?

   So Trump admits to using hyperbole..  The only difference between him and others running for office is...
  He frankly ADMITS that he employs hyperbole !

[VA Rifleman]

Much of it has been proven false.

Ah. There is the difficulty. Has “it” really?

Um. Yes and can articulate example after example. 

One day, DG may surprise me and query / question an assertion from the left. Yet to see it after all these years.

[DDZ]

What can you present to indicate that Pres Trump was seeking a   
      dictatorship ?  Facts now, not assumptions, I am ready to present the alternate  comparison..so post away.

My single quibble with Mr. Trump is based on a comment that he made during his campaign when he told a grouo of supporters not to believe anything bad that they might read about him as it was all fake news. He reiterated the idea after his election in an address to US war veterans “ Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening," Trump said. "Just stick with us, don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news."
He told a news reporter in an interview that he “bashes the press to “demean” and “discredit” reporters so that no one will believe negative stories about him”

I understand that many of you accept these words as sage advice.  I see them as very dangerous, as a way of saying
“I am never wrong”. That is something not to be trusted in any politician, especially from a man who freely admits to using creative hyperbole/truthful hyperbole.

You see trumps words about the mainstream media being fake news as dangerous.  LOL.  His words were absolutely true. Its what Democrats, and liberals hated about him. He told the truth.  Anyone that couldn't see the mainstream media was against Trump every time, and all the time was living on another planet, or they just didn't want to see.  The media made up lies to hurt Trump at every possible opportunity, and all the lies they told have been proven to be lies, but that don't matter to the Marxist lap dog media.     I have to wonder what the media would be saying if trump did what the Biden regime is doing now? How to wonder also what would be said by the media if Trumps son had done, what Hunter has done.  The media will not even mention Hunters crimes, nor daddy's

[darkgael]

You see trumps words about the mainstream media being fake news as dangerous.  LOL.  His words were absolutely true. Its what Democrats, and liberals hated about him. He told the truth.  Anyone that couldn't see the mainstream media was against Trump every time, and all the time was living on another planet, or they just didn't want to see.  The media made up lies to hurt Trump at every possible opportunity, and all the lies they told have been proven to be lies, but that don't matter to the Marxist lap dog media.     I have to wonder what the media would be saying if trump did what the Biden regime is doing now? How to wonder also what would be said by the media if Trumps son had done, what Hunter has done.  The media will not even mention Hunters crimes, nor daddy's.

Thank you (and VaR and IG) for your meticulous replies. It is true that the MSM spent a lot of time and effort checking on Mr.Trump’s every word. They were against him from the time that he decided to run for office.
Then we get into the business of who is lying. Trump or the media. If you believe Trump and forgive his exaggerations, the media lies as do all the fact checkers. If you distrust Mr. Trump and his (basically) “I am never wrong” stance……no one is right all of the time.), then Mr. Trump frequently misled you. You do not believe that though.
What Trump’s words say about the media are not nearly as important as what they say about Mr. Trump.

VaR:

One day, DG may surprise me and query / question an assertion from the left. Yet to see it after all these years.

Did you miss my description of the Rev. Al Sharpton as a worthless POS?
How about “what is cool about Che Guevara is that he is dead.?

[ironglow]

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  I believe most thinking people of varied experience, understood Donald Trump for who he is.  First off, he is NOT a life long politician!  His background is a CEO..a CEO as well as a man of action.

   With Trump we got an Alfa CEO who gets things accomplished !  By contrast, there are many politician types who spend half a century in political office, and have very little to show as productive accomplishments (e.g. Biden).
   
  In 4 years, in spite of being attacked continually, the Alfa CEO got much accomplished.  For example, not only energy independence, but being a major petroleum supplier to the world.

   Clearly there is no denying that the MSM has been grossly unfair to Pres Trump.  For 4 long years, the Dbadgered Trump with a false dossier and fabricated stories.  Despite many indicators that they were false narratives, not one major network besides Fox, even suggested looking into the justification for such a concocted tale.

     Did Mr Trump mislead us often?  He must have been successful, because i can not think of any major policy issue where he was deceptive...certainly not to the degree of the lies and hypocrisy we have endured from Democrats, over the "pandemic crisis!

    Let's keep in mind..a CEO type works primarily with other Alfa types, and in that rarified climate, a certain amount of bravado, even dominance, is necessary.

   Let's compare that to a career politician..who has to be "flexible'..  If being bombastic will get him votes,,he will be bombastic..  If displaying great humility will get him votes..he will become a creeping worm.  If catering to the abortion industry or Marxist professors will get him/her elected...they will happily volunteer !

   I don't think Mr trump has it in him to be that deceptive..  "What you see, is  get!"

  I don't know about others, but my crowd of friends, back as far as turn of the century were saying.."we need a hard-nosed businessman for president; one who will place his company(country) first...#1 that is.  One who knows how to drive a deal with suppliers, contractors and other countries !

  By Golly, in 2016 we got just that..  He brought corporations back to the US, renegotiated a slovenly deal with Boeing, for presidential aircraft, got the pipeline started again and by creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs in oil and manufacturing, had America riding high, and gained the respect of our friends, and fear for our enemies !

  To cap it off..by putting his country first..he made great progress on a protective southern border wall and stopped the illegals from making the Rio Grande, a wading pool for the cartels and terrorists.

[Mule 11]

For some reason you all here and others like you just are totally blind to what Trump has tried to do to this country. I consider him the biggest threat to the USA and world for that matter since the Axis powers in WWII. It is SO obvious.
GuzziJohn

If SO obvious, you should have no problem articulating several solid arguments as to Trump being a dictator and the biggest threat to the country and the world.

We’ve yet to hear any critical thinking. The obvious conclusion is you’re not capable of anything beyond Orange Man Bad.

Truth about guzz is that he is used to telling children what to think and does not have either the mental capacity or the balls to debate men. I’m sure he would scurry at the first sign of conflict...

[darkgael]

Ironglow: Nicely done. Clear. Gentlemanly.

[VA Rifleman]

VaR:

One day, DG may surprise me and query / question an assertion from the left. Yet to see it after all these years.

Did you miss my description of the Rev. Al Sharpton as a worthless POS?
How about “what is cool about Che Guevara is that he is dead.?

Was that pushback to a poster championing Sharpton or Che? If a rebuttal to a assertion from one of our left leaning posters, (which I have yet to see and the crux of my point),  I indeed missed it.

Stand by my statement lacking evidence to the contrary.

[ironglow]

Ironglow: Nicely done. Clear. Gentlemanly.

  Thank you DG, but we both know that insulting people or their ideas, doesn't convince anyone, and  name calling, only bilds the name caller's ego.

   Getting back to the subject at hand, we so often hear the old axiom, "Note not so much what they say as what they actually do !

  If we observe the present and immediately past administrations, some things are very clear..

  The Trump administration, brought back to the USA prosperity, and respect from both friends and enemies.  The Trump administration was conscientious about preserving rights for the people...the RTKBA, protecting our Judeo~Christian heritage, and in foreign policy, roughly following TR's "speak softly, but carry a big stick"!

  Biden immediately cancelled our prosperity on his first day in office, by handing our petro-advantage over to OPEC!  Judeo~Christian heritage"  He threatened churches and temples with closures...  He groveled before our enemies, and now suggests that he may reward the Taliban, and possibly provide Iran billions to complete their nuclear efforts. !

   Sadly, the administrations either side of the Trump administration, did some of their heaviest lifting, while trying to kill article 2 of our Bill of Rights!  They have elevated another religion, while both Jews and Christians are/were, bashed at every opportunity.

  Being typical politicians, both Obama and Biden claim connection to the Christian faith..Biden a Catholic who is an abortion stalking horse, Obama, a member of Jeremiah Wtight's church of  "G_ _  D_ _ _  America"!

  While Obama referred to our Bill of Rights...as a "negative bill of rights"..because the Bill of Rights was composed to assure that the RIGHTS reside with the PEOPLE, rather that any "big brother" government.

  So has Joe Biden labored to assure that our Bill of rights is again elevated to it's rightful place in our Constitution?  It sure doesn't look like it, with mask mandates, vaccine mandates and threats to remove people's earnings and livlihood for failing to respond as big brother demands.

   Not only that, but some jurisdictions, following Biden's lead,  are promising to make unemployment compensation, unavailable to those who are fired for reasons of conscience.  I see this move as being done by hateful and vindictive people and party.

     https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/vaccine-mandate-unemployment-eligibility/

  This ugly move sounds like something that can only emerge fron a "gang of four" coven of broom riders !