Author Topic: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!  (Read 2639 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« on: September 28, 2021, 03:40:34 AM »
For speaking the truth  when no one else would. As usual, these type of soldiers are in the minority.
The willingness to sacrifice self, career, and freedom, for the truth.

We only need a few thousand more just like him to get the ball rolling back in the right direction.

They no doubt court Martial a true American patriot.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4495
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2021, 05:00:00 AM »
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/marine-corps-officer-stuart-scheller-brig/

Pre-trial confinement during an Article 32 investigation is usually only done to prevent further violations; in his case, he violated an order to not speak anymore, so the confinement is to prevent further speaking. Article 32 is not a slam dunk; its like a grand jury investigation. It will either recommend or not recommend disciplinary actions, one of which could be courts martial. At this point its in his own interest to request a courts martial (always an option) however it would most likely not change the charges - he knowingly violated at least two articles of the UCMJ. So what he might try is to continue to media spectacle in the proceedings, which may influence sentencing. I don't disagree with his questions, or why he's asking them. But he's a big boy, he knows what he did.

held fast

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2021, 05:04:20 AM »
And he has said that confinement will give him more time to think.
Hes a smart guy, who obviously cares enough about his country, and his marine corps brothers to take the hit, and speak out.
He is a cause worth supporting.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4495
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2021, 05:13:26 AM »
I don't disagree ... but he's not having the influence on his peers (i.e. other Marine Corps officers) that others are. He's not alone in asking the questions, but the media isn't picking up on the others, because they are asking the same questions within the culture of the Corps. One thing we value in the Corps is keeping family business in the family; he took it outside the family, so eventhough we may agree with his questions and intent, he broke trust. Lot more going on here that just a brave guy asking good questions.
held fast

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2021, 07:15:53 AM »
Well TN, I would say keeping the family business when it involves every American citizen in the United States "in the family", is what the problem is to begin with, when it involves the family business hierarchy being politically corrupt.
The United States Marine Corps, as well as every other branch of the service, including police, firefighters ect. serve the people of the United States.
THAT'S IS "THE FAMILY".

You've never complained about corrupt police chiefs being ratted out to the news. Nor have I.

If this Lt Colonel had not stepped up "this family" you speak of would have buried it like they have so many other incompetent bafoons.
Soldiers and civilians got kill6 and "the family" lied, and is still lying.
American civilians were left in Afghanistan and "the family" lied, and is still lying

It's why Congress hated Trump. He outed the corruption in "the family".

Corruption occurs when servants to the people start looking at themselves beyond brotherhood. This "the family" pertains corruption investigating itself is the problem, and falls into the BS category.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline ironglow

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32328
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2021, 08:24:49 AM »
.
  Thanks for your input TN, it provides clarification.  As you said, "he is a big boy, knows what he did and is willing to face the consequences.

  We can only wish more of even higher grades, would be so brave !
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

Offline VA Rifleman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2021, 09:33:10 AM »
There’s a obvious political component.

When Lt. Col. Vindman leaked contents of a Presidential phone call, bypassed his chain of command, then lied during testimony, he was hailed as a hero.

Chairmen of the joint chiefs of staff takes orders from Pelosi and tells the ChiComs, he’ll warn them before we attack? Another hero.

I served in the Corp. We seldom tolerated criticism from outsiders, but we often criticized ourselves. That’s what Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller was doing.

Ammunition is like firewood. The more you have, the warmer you feel.

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4495
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2021, 09:37:55 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/steve-bannon-lt-col-scheller-brig-wont-speak-gen-mckenzies-testimony-senate-video/

At least one person believes, and I am inclined to think he's right, that the LtCol was confined so as to prevent him from commenting on General McKenzie's testimony to congress.

It has become increasingly frequent for very senior General Officers in the Pentagon to reach down and order Commanding Officers many many layers down, even not in the direct line of command. I suspect that is what happened here. I also suspect that that vax order is mostly designed to weed out skeptics and nonconformists. The Marine Corps, and the entire DOD, that we had even 5 years ago, is being stripped of the very kinds of folks we will need in the next war, which will most likely be in the pacific. Instead we will have a military of drones, highly compliant, eager to serve whatever orders are given from the pentagon. In my 27 years of service, I never imagined we would reach this day - especially my beloved Corps.
held fast

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2021, 09:47:39 AM »
In my opinion, and many thousands of others, Lt Colonel Scheller, is a heroic patriot.

Marine Colonel Oliver North was a convicted felon let off the hook by "the family" known as Congressional corruption.

No way did the United States Marine Corps not know what North was up to.
But "the family" protected him by looking the other way, while allowing him access to government pathways. Right up to when he got caught.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Online DDZ

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6539
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2021, 12:55:47 PM »
In my opinion, and many thousands of others, Lt Colonel Scheller, is a heroic patriot.

I don't care what rule he broke, I agree with this.
Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.    Wm. Penn

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2021, 01:36:22 PM »
In my opinion, and many thousands of others, Lt Colonel Scheller, is a heroic patriot.

I don't care what rule he broke, I agree with this.

He broke "the good ole boy rule". He told the truth because he knew "the family" wouldn't.

Much of our "military hierarchy" has evolved into a bunch a "political hey-boys"
in pursuit of those "promotional benefits" and power. They don't care about the American public at large, and they don't care about the soldiers they send into war.

Lt Colonel Scheller is in the brig for telling the truth. Folks can name it anything they want to, but that's what he did. He knew through his experience of 17 years in the Marine Corps they'd bury it if they could.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline ironglow

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32328
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2021, 03:21:52 PM »
.

   It's hard to feature how the corrupt politicians have reached into the military, but they have obviously done it !

  It seems the height of corruption for a star bearer to reach down to battalion or even regimental level, and play political games.

..But I suppose we should have anticipated it, from the way the leftists meddle with, and ruin..anything they touch.
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)
Like Like x 1 View List

Offline Lloyd Smale

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (32)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18742
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2021, 12:28:09 AM »
but when that committee yesterday asked him why scheller was in jail he said he wasnt up on the case and didnt know the particulars ::) Id have to bet that not a single thing concerning him was done without the direct orders of mckenzie.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/steve-bannon-lt-col-scheller-brig-wont-speak-gen-mckenzies-testimony-senate-video/

At least one person believes, and I am inclined to think he's right, that the LtCol was confined so as to prevent him from commenting on General McKenzie's testimony to congress.

It has become increasingly frequent for very senior General Officers in the Pentagon to reach down and order Commanding Officers many many layers down, even not in the direct line of command. I suspect that is what happened here. I also suspect that that vax order is mostly designed to weed out skeptics and nonconformists. The Marine Corps, and the entire DOD, that we had even 5 years ago, is being stripped of the very kinds of folks we will need in the next war, which will most likely be in the pacific. Instead we will have a military of drones, highly compliant, eager to serve whatever orders are given from the pentagon. In my 27 years of service, I never imagined we would reach this day - especially my beloved Corps.
blue lives matter

Offline ironglow

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32328
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2021, 02:45:40 AM »
.
  True...Lt Col Scheller is a patriot, more so than those who seek to prosecute him.  His antagonists may have the legal details in their favor, but certainly not the moral details.
 
  The Colonel, quite honestly was driven by crookedness he saw..and they still want to proseute him.  ..Obviously since it is embarrassing to have somebody call foul, from inside the ranks.

  ..But decency calls us to ask.... If Col Scheller is to be prosecuted, why not Vindemann, who tried to destroy
  a C-in-C ?  Why not the generals who allowed the turnover of $85 billion in American weapons, on an American built base?  Why not a C-in-C who abandoned hundreds or thousands of Americans, to a diabolical enemy?

   Why not a deserter, such as Bergdahl, who got tropps killed looking for his sorry azz?  No, instead, the obama supporters promoted him !
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2021, 03:19:24 AM »
Why not General Milly who admits to calling China, and admits to talking to book writers behind president Trumps back.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4495
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2021, 07:22:14 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/likely-charges-announced-lt-col-scheller-speaking-military-leaders-surrendered-taliban-armed-80-billion-us-weapons/

Rep. Nehls has asked, and received the official statement by the Marine Corps as to why LtCol Scheller was confined. They cite the current Restriction of Movement (ROM) policy, which requires a 14 day quarantine. I checked, it's true, that policy has been in effect for some time, so the Marine Corps is simply treating the LtCol as they would anyone else under an article 32 investigation. Bad optic, poor timing, sure. The same rules apply to innocent men that apply to the guilty - how often do we rush to judgment before the investigation is over, when we think the person is guilty. Here the Marine Corps is in fact doing its job, protecting the process that is designed to protect his innocence. I'm glad Rep. Nehls asked the question, and put the answer out there for the rest of us so as to address the rumors. Lots of rumors out there. Even on this very forum I had to address a patently false rumor about Navy Chaplains that made headlines in conservative circles of all places!

 He has not been charged yet, I thought that was interesting. I thought that was supposed to happen Thursday. Given the celebrity of this case, I'm sure the Investigating Officer ... who by the way is not a cop, or a prosecutor, but just another officer in the command assigned by the Commanding Officer to conduct an investigation per the rules. This is to eliminate prosecutorial bias. In other words, one of his peers is investigating the allegations, and will inform the command if the allegations have merit enough to continue ... or not. My experience with Article 32 proceedings in cases like this, is that Investigating Officer may find nothing to substantiate any of the allegations except 133, Conduct Unbecoming. Which is not a Courts Martial proceeding, but a punitive letter from the CO in NJP, and cannot alter his status of discharge. I'm not a JAG/SJA but I've sure advised on enough cases that it would seem very very odd to me if the Marine Corps did more than a 133 at NJP, letter, and accept his resignation. If it doesn't go that route, then to me that's a clear indication of undue interest. But it would mean he gets a Courts Martial, which includes a jury, and that could go very well for him.

Despite popular opinion, many in the military have asked the same questions he did, and continue to do so, in much more effective ways. It may be hard to believe, but there are alot of great Americans in the Marine Corps, many of whom are involved in LtCol Scheller's case. They may be in 100% agreement with his line of questioning. And at the same time recognize, this isn't about breaking a good old boys rule. He did in fact violate an order, if not for the original video, then definitely for the second, before which he had signed a document acknowledging that he understood and would obey said order. There is such a thing as doing the right thing, the wrong way, and for many in the military today who agree with LtCol Scheller's point, they also recognize he went about it the wrong way.

Call him a hero if you like; if you do not know the law under which he swore to abide, it would be easy to miss what is happening to him. When his case is over, you will remember his name, but he will not have made the difference that hundreds of other equally patriotic officers are making right now, asking the same questions, in the right venues to the right people, to make sure its not just a media minute, but legacy of change.
held fast

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2021, 07:54:45 AM »
TN, I totally understand "chain of command". I was part of that chain for 20 years.
I understand the Lt Colonel knowingly violated that chain, and there are consequences.
But I also understand "the good ole boy" mentality that exists in almost any chain of command, whether military, law enforcement, or any other structured organization.

When the Congress investigates itself, do you really expect anyone to get punished. I don't, and history has confirmed my expectations to ha validity.

I think in all honesty, you would concede to that reality.

They're terrified at the reality of what he might reveal. I couldn't possibly know what he knows, and I dare say you  couldn't either.

He could be pulled out of the chain, without locking him up in the brig.

He obviously isn't a flight risk, or a terrorist.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4495
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2021, 09:12:20 AM »
I don’t think he knows anything more than anyone else, and I don’t think that’s his assertion. He’s just calling for accountability, and so are a lot of officers and senior enlisted whether they were in OEF or not. He’s not going to be a whistleblower. But he is a lightning rod. The Marine Corps as a Corps is pissed, top to bottom, over the withdrawal. And at the same time trying to remain apolitical because that is essential to the unique honor America bestows on the Corps. So they’re sensitive to Article 88 allegations and are overreacting. But it’s not because they’ve picked a political side at all. My read on the Corps is that they want to remain the Corps. So that’s why the Marine who saved  baby and went to a trump rally is being investigated. It’ll turn out to be nothing, but the Corps can say it did the due diligence.

Here’s my prediction: LtCol Scheller gets a 92 and 133 at NJP, allowed to resign under honorable conditions. No courts martial; administrative and boring. No statement on what he said will be made; the content is irrelevant. 92 because he was directly ordered after the first one not to do it again. 133 because we always get a 133. Marine Corps will not engage formally his questions or his motives. Like CAPT Crozier, he’ll get a standing ovation from many of his peers, as he is fired and shown the door.

I admire his integrity, his moral courage. I hold off on patriotism for the very reasons he cites in his second video - this is not the country we’re proud of, that one is gone. Instead I’d say he’s calling for a better country, with accountability. And none of that is ultimately what he’ll be charged or found guilty of.
held fast

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4495
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2021, 09:14:19 AM »
He’s in the brig for ROM, all PreTrial investigees go in ROM since covid. He’s in an HPCON C area so that’s standard. Not about flight risk or anything like that. It was policy long before anyone knew his name.
held fast

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2021, 04:03:46 PM »
Well, I'll admit i don't know anything about what you're saying in that regard.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline ironglow

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32328
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2021, 01:07:49 AM »
.
  Col Scheller has a friend.. 
  Eddie Gallagher, the Spec Ops trooper who was rescued by Pres Trump, from a similar situation related to combat operations, has taken up his cause.
  Last I heard, by way of go-fund-me, Gallagher has raised $2,000,000 for his defense and his family's welfare.

  Probably much more now..  https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/col-scheller-not-going-down-without-a-fight/
 
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2021, 01:12:57 AM »
Good!
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4495
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2021, 02:43:09 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/tell-son-stop-tweeting-lt-col-stuart-scheller-insults-trump-family/

There’s a lot going on in LtCol Schellers mind. I’m not sure he’s laser focused on accountability or just kicking the hornets nest. When you’re so caught up in your own mind you bite the hands trying to help you out … well I wonder who he would consider a friend right now.
held fast

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2021, 02:59:21 AM »
LOL, it doesn't look like the Lt Colonel is tying every bale.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline VA Rifleman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2021, 03:32:16 AM »
Perhaps the latest “statement” from Lt Col Scheller is fake news designed to separate him from his supporters.

Can’t imagine prisoners in the Lejeune brig reading Twitter and communicating freely with reporters.
Ammunition is like firewood. The more you have, the warmer you feel.

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2021, 03:54:29 AM »
Perhaps the latest “statement” from Lt Col Scheller is fake news designed to separate him from his supporters.

Can’t imagine prisoners in the Lejeune brig reading Twitter and communicating freely with reporters.

Hadn't thought of that, and after you suggested it, I went back and read more. He actually went back the next day, and recanted most of what he said, in so much as an apology for part of it. He has taken an open stand against the big military cabal that is the Pentagon hierarchy, so to say he's not feeling the pressure would be disingenuous. Thanks,
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4495
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2021, 05:43:48 AM »
Per the article it was posted on FB prior to his going into ROM, as was the follow up explanation. He’s had no access to social media since he was confined to the brig. The statements were his, not manufactured. And as Dan says he was under a lot of stress really from the moment we started the … well whatever you want to call what was just done in Afghanistan. There are some that have characterized his various videos and posts as indicative of a compromised emotional state. It would not be surprising if this is all causing him additional moral trauma. Regardless, his friends seem more interested in using him for political gain than he does, even in his recant. I hope he sticks to his guns and focuses on the thing that matters most and doesn’t allow himself to be used as a political pawn. That would really dilute his original point.
held fast

Online Dee

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24291
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2021, 05:57:07 AM »
Per the article it was posted on FB prior to his going into ROM, as was the follow up explanation. He’s had no access to social media since he was confined to the brig. The statements were his, not manufactured. And as Dan says he was under a lot of stress really from the moment we started the … well whatever you want to call what was just done in Afghanistan. There are some that have characterized his various videos and posts as indicative of a compromised emotional state. It would not be surprising if this is all causing him additional moral trauma. Regardless, his friends seem more interested in using him for political gain than he does, even in his recant. I hope he sticks to his guns and focuses on the thing that matters most and doesn’t allow himself to be used as a political pawn. That would really dilute his original point.

Agreed,
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

Offline VA Rifleman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
Re: Marine Lt Col Stuart Scheller Jailed And Facing Court Martial!
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2021, 06:15:28 AM »
If so. The Lt Col’s IFF is out of calibration.
Ammunition is like firewood. The more you have, the warmer you feel.