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Reloading for the .257 Roberts +P
« on: March 08, 2004, 10:04:26 AM »
Well, I'm about three weeks into reloading for the .257 Roberts +P.  So far I have three good loads worked up and have loaded but not test-fired another batch.

The results so far:

Common components
Win brass, CCI 250 primer


75g Hornady VMAX
COL 2.8025"
42.0g Varget
3187fps, 7.0fps STD, 16fps E.S.

No target data for this one, but a very pleasant load to shoot and should be very accurate (I was hitting the smallest 200 yard gong every time).  May build these for my daughters.


75g Hornady VMAX
COL 2.8025"
46.0g H4895
3605fps, 24.9fps STD, 54fps E.S.

4 shots, 1.85" at 200 yards, with 3 of the 4 going into 0.95".


75g Hornady VMAX
COL 2.8025"
43.0g H4895
3422fps, 8.1fps STD, 15fps E.S.

Basically the same load as above but slower and more consistent.  No target data kept, but was hitting the gong.  If this one works out to have groups the size of its brother, or better, it may end up being my standard VMAX load, even though velocity is a little lower than I would like.  (Was trying to duplicate the trajectory of my 3579fps .22-250/52g loads out to 250 yards.)



115g Barnes TSX (Triple Shock X)
COL 2.8025"
48.0g H4831SC
2936fps, 6.0fps STD, 13fps E.S

No target data but was hitting the gong.  Ran out of powder space due to the TSX bullet.


Barnes TSX (Triple Shock X)
H4350
3000fps ???

This is the load I am working on.  I hope to break 3000fps with the TSX bullet per Barnes load development instructions for the TSX bullet.  No problem with powder space, yet still has a very high load density.

[Edited.  Had incorrectly listed the last load that I am working on as Hornady 75g VMAX/H4895, should have been Barnes 115g TSX/H4350 as it is now.  Cut and paste error followed by a failure to adequately proof read what I had written. ]
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2004, 07:50:51 PM »
Today started out great and just got better!  Coyote #52 dropped to my new (Christmas) .22-250 Ruger M77 MKII VT, as did a prairie dog, both before breakfast.  

Then it was off to the range with a couple of sets of work-up loads.  The first and most important was for my.257 Roberts +P -- Barnes 115g TSX (Triple Shock) and H4350.  For my Marlin 375 it was .38-55 brass, AA1680 and Hornady 220g bullets.  Unfortunately, I left the Marlin rifle at home!   :roll:

In another thread I mentioned that I had given the Ruger M77 a trigger job, mostly polishing parts with the Dremel, but a little grinding, too.  I was really anxious to see how the trigger worked.  As it turned out, the trigger was crisp, clean, and just light enough - perfect!  :grin:  

As noted I my previous post, I was hoping to hit 3000fps with the Barnes load.  The instructions that come with the Barnes TSX say to use X bullet data and work up to an extra grain or two.  Like the XLC bullets, an extra 100fps is a reasonable expectation.  Since the 115g X data calls for 41.0-45.0g H4350 and velocities of 2643-2901fps, I started with 44.0g and built loads going to 47.0g in 0.5g increments -- 4 loaded cartridges at each level, 32 total.

The wind was pretty high at the 100/200 yard range so I retreated to the covered 100 yard range where I could shoot in the lee of an embankment.  After squeezing the trigger on the first 44.0g load, I knew it was going to be a short test -- velocity was 2992fps, just 8fps short of my goal.  The results were as follows:

WW Brass
CCI 250 Primer
Barnes 115g TSX
COL 2.803"

44.0g H4350, 2981fps AVG, 26.2fps S.D., 55fps E.S., 2.35"
44.5g H4350, 3013fps AVG, 14.0fps S.D., 34fps E.S., 1.75", 3 of 4 in 0.90"
45.0g H4350, 3042fps AVG, 29.4fps S.D., 65fps E.S., 3.95", 3 of 4 in 1.55"

After shooting the 45.0g loads I stopped, deciding to "keep" the 44.5g load, although I may stick with H4831SC as the powder I use with this bullet.  I shot a few of the H4831SC loads I had worked up to last week, and the results show why:

WW Brass
CCI 250 Primer
Barnes 115g TSX
COL 2.803"

48.0g H4831SC, 2958fps AVG, 11.1fps S.D., 24fps E.S., 1.05", 4 shots


I also shot some Hornady 75g V-MAX/H4895 loads:

WW Brass
CCI 250 Primer
Hornady 75g V-MAX
COL 2.803"

46.0g H4895, 3660fps AVG, 23.9fps S.D., 53fps E.S., 1.30", 3 of 4 in 0.50"

(I used this load this afternoon to ruin a prairie dog's day at just under 200 yards.)

Finally, because I still had 6 left from when I first bought the gun, I fired one Federal 120g Partition load:

Federal 120g Nosler Partition (257B, .257 Roberts +P load)
2682fps


Daughter #2 was home from college for Spring Break when I returned from the ranches where I had been harassing the prairie dogs (only one shot, but it counted).  My wife and I rounded up Daughter #3 and the four of us went out for dinner and a movie (Hildago, thumbs up).

Now its almost midnight and in a few hours I get to go harass the song dogs again -- life is good!
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2004, 12:16:00 PM »
Coyote Hunter,

I'm curious about the rifle, barrel length that you use.

I will be loading for a "BoB" Ruger #1 soon.  

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2004, 01:49:22 PM »
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Coyote Hunter,

I'm curious about the rifle, barrel length that you use.

I will be loading for a "BoB" Ruger #1 soon.  

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oneb -

Its 22".

WHat is a "BoB" Ruger #1?
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2004, 07:32:32 PM »
Coyote Hunter-

"Bob" is short for "Robert", as in ".257 Roberts +P."  The Ruger #1 is Ruger's single shot rifle, available in #1 standard form with a 26" barrel for fans of the "Bob."  1-B happens to be the catalog number for that particular rifle style, so I'm guessing oneb is a fan of single shots.  Hope that this helps. :grin:
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2004, 10:51:32 AM »
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Coyote Hunter-

"Bob" is short for "Robert", as in ".257 Roberts +P."  ...


"Bob" for "Robert"  Who'd a thunk it? ;)

I guess it was the second capital "B" in "BoB" that confused me.  I get confused so easily these days... ;)
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2004, 05:30:09 AM »
Took the .257 Roberts out to the range yesterday, along with a bunch of others.  It was my 53rd birthday and Dave, my hunting buddy, came along.  Between us we had 11 guns -- not a record, but lots of fun nevertheless.

The first thing we did after getting set up was to have a "duel" with our Ruger .357 Mag revolvers.  The 200 yard berm had hanging steel gongs and we took turns shooting at the larger one from a standing position.  Dave 1, Jim 0.  Then we tried from a sitting position.  Jim 2, Dave 1.  Later I tried from the bench and went 3 for 6.  Dave gave it a try with his Ruger .40S&W, standing position, and got one hit.  (With my scoped .44 Mag SRH it wasn't even a challenge, just had to know where to hold the crosshairs.)

I had some load development to do for my Marlin 375 and Marlin 1895, then shot my Browing B92 before reaching for the Ruger .257.  I had settled on the 115g TSX bullet with 48.0g H4831SC (2936fps) for my hunting load and the 75g Hornady VMAX with 46.0g H4895 (3606fps) for my varmint load.  

I started with the VMAX loads.  The steel gongs at 200 yards were no challenge, so I switched to the clay pigeons we had set up on the berm.  Holding the scope crosshairs just below the pigeons was the ticket.  Then I switched to the 115g TSX bullets.  I held the first shot dead center on a pigeon and broke the center out.  Later we inspected it and discovered the center was still largely intact with the edges of the bullet hole just off dead center.  Cool!  Subsequent pigeons disintegrated with every shot until the barrel got hot enough that I switched back to the .44 Mag Browning and SRH.

We packed up and left for home, running into a blizzard on the way.  Typical of Colorado blizzards, it didn't last long and by evening I was grilling elk steaks on the deck.  Not a bad way to spend a birthday!
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2004, 07:24:18 AM »
Sounds like you had a great time. I'm jealous....

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2004, 08:25:54 PM »
I'm glad the venerable old .257 Roberts still has a following.  When I was a kid my dad hunted deer with a pump action modle and poured scorn upon the heads of those who hunted deer with a .30 caliber gun!
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