So much for green energy reliability

[wtxbadger]

All these new technologies require petroleum in there manufacture and will continue to do so for decades ahead. Anyone that thinks they are going to get away from oil are living in a different reality.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2019/11/f68/Products%20Made%20From%20Oil%20and%20Natural%20Gas%20Infographic.pdf

[BUGEYE]

All these new technologies require petroleum in there manufacture and will continue to do so for decades ahead. Anyone that thinks they are going to get away from oil are living in a different reality.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2019/11/f68/Products%20Made%20From%20Oil%20and%20Natural%20Gas%20Infographic.pdf

That's probably true for right now.
But in the future depends how efficiently we harvest free energy.

A good calculation is energy balance gain/loss.

For example....

If it takes 2 barrel btu to produce 1 solar panel but over 20 year life yields 20 barrel btu equivalency....then that's a gain of 18 barrel btu equivalency gain.

Btw, that's where corn alcohol production always came up way short. The alcohol btu per acre yield was always way short of the total btu spent to produce the corn when fuel for tillage, harvesting,  spraying, pesticides, crop preparation, and manufacture of tractors and equipment  are reconciled.

Moreover, the total solar energy  per acre far far exceeds any energy extracted from crops, and solar E harvesting might prove to be the most efficient energy crop per acre to date.
.
.TM7

They need to feed all that corn to cattle and put a contraption on their butts which would let the cow flops drop down and the methane (which is lighter than air) go up and be collected in a large balloon.
You could paint each cows number on the balloon and see who's balloon wasn't standing up high enough and compare that cow's milk output with their feed efficiency based of fart activity. 
Dang it, these scientific types never ask me how to solve their problems.

[Ranger99]

1-888-313-4747 if you're served by Encor

Pestering is the only way to go
on record

[Ranger99]

All these new technologies require petroleum in there manufacture and will continue to do so for decades ahead. Anyone that thinks they are going to get away from oil are living in a different reality.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2019/11/f68/Products%20Made%20From%20Oil%20and%20Natural%20Gas%20Infographic.pdf

That's probably true for right now.
But in the future depends how efficiently we harvest free energy.

A good calculation is energy balance gain/loss.

For example....

If it takes 2 barrel btu to produce 1 solar panel but over 20 year life yields 20 barrel btu equivalency....then that's a gain of 18 barrel btu equivalency gain.

Btw, that's where corn alcohol production always came up way short. The alcohol btu per acre yield was always way short of the total btu spent to produce the corn when fuel for tillage, harvesting,  spraying, pesticides, crop preparation, and manufacture of tractors and equipment  are reconciled.

Moreover, the total solar energy  per acre far far exceeds any energy extracted from crops, and solar E harvesting might prove to be the most efficient energy crop per acre to date.
.
.TM7

They need to feed all that corn to cattle and put a contraption on their butts which would let the cow flops drop down and the methane (which is lighter than air) go up and be collected in a large balloon.
You could paint each cows number on the balloon and see who's balloon wasn't standing up high enough and compare that cow's milk output with their feed efficiency based of fart activity. 
Dang it, these scientific types never ask me how to solve their problems.

The city here makes methane with trash and
sewage and uses quiet a bit of it and sells
the rest to unknown parties.
They also take in trash from surrounding
cities and other places for a fee.
Yet, every time we turn around, they're broke

[BUGEYE]

All these new technologies require petroleum in there manufacture and will continue to do so for decades ahead. Anyone that thinks they are going to get away from oil are living in a different reality.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2019/11/f68/Products%20Made%20From%20Oil%20and%20Natural%20Gas%20Infographic.pdf

That's probably true for right now.
But in the future depends how efficiently we harvest free energy.

A good calculation is energy balance gain/loss.

For example....

If it takes 2 barrel btu to produce 1 solar panel but over 20 year life yields 20 barrel btu equivalency....then that's a gain of 18 barrel btu equivalency gain.

Btw, that's where corn alcohol production always came up way short. The alcohol btu per acre yield was always way short of the total btu spent to produce the corn when fuel for tillage, harvesting,  spraying, pesticides, crop preparation, and manufacture of tractors and equipment  are reconciled.

Moreover, the total solar energy  per acre far far exceeds any energy extracted from crops, and solar E harvesting might prove to be the most efficient energy crop per acre to date.
.
.TM7

They need to feed all that corn to cattle and put a contraption on their butts which would let the cow flops drop down and the methane (which is lighter than air) go up and be collected in a large balloon.
You could paint each cows number on the balloon and see who's balloon wasn't standing up high enough and compare that cow's milk output with their feed efficiency based of fart activity. 
Dang it, these scientific types never ask me how to solve their problems.

The city here makes methane with trash and
sewage and uses quiet a bit of it and sells
the rest to unknown parties.
They also take in trash from surrounding
cities and other places for a fee.
Yet, every time we turn around, they're broke

Well they should open a feed lot or dairy farm and harvest cow farts.
I think I’ll get a patent on my contraption and start making them.
Anyone want to invest??
It could be your private island in the Caribbean ya know. 

[Lloyd Smale]

yes sir! It will take technology greater then solar or wind to power the world. At least a world that can still afford to buy food after they pay for power.

All these new technologies require petroleum in there manufacture and will continue to do so for decades ahead. Anyone that thinks they are going to get away from oil are living in a different reality.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2019/11/f68/Products%20Made%20From%20Oil%20and%20Natural%20Gas%20Infographic.pdf

[Ranger99]

Well also folks will have to
stop voting for all these pinheads
that make laws against gasoline
generators, and burning wood,
and using the efficient fossil
fuels that we have centuries of
supplies of under our feet.

After you strip away the bs,
the basic truth is that they
want dependence on the
gubmint. They'll keep chipping
away until it happens

[Ranger99]

Well if you were where I'm at,
you'd have to get FedEx to bring
you a truck full of sunshine for
your solar panels.
There's a house 1 street over and
100 yards east with a roof full, and
they were in the dark just like I
was before the juice came back on

[Dog Phish]

Green energy to me is stoking that wood burner full of wood to burn not some energy that government can control you with. Example of Kommiefornia loonie Guvnment power rolling blackout gives me all the hindsight I need to not ever rely on worthless polital energy managements.