So much for green energy reliability

[wtxbadger]

https://www.gosanangelo.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/?fbclid=IwAR0XwFv7W594s5ROqgxHmVxSrHospNSnCQCrmotksNmRdLrfMr479b9kp4s

[Dee]

I hate even looking at those things, and at night blinking red lights everywhere.

[Doublebass73]

I hate even looking at those things, and at night blinking red lights everywhere.

Same here, they are worthless eyesores. I remember when Fat Boy Ted Kennedy talked about the need for green energy but when Cape Wind wanted to build a wind farm in the ocean in view of the Kennedy compound suddenly Ted opposed it.

[DDZ]

This started in California. They quit putting money into the power infrastructure in place, and started dumping it all into their green energy plan. Now California has rolling blackouts because there isn't enough electricity to supply peak demand.  The same clueless people that promoted legislation to go green are the same ones wondering why there are rolling blackouts. Yet people keep voting the same morons into office, and expect things to get better.  They are teaching this green energy crap in schools. Now we have a couple generations in place that are brainwashed enough to think fossil fuel bad, wind mills, and solar panels good.  I figure rolling blackouts will eventually become the norm and be accepted by the masses.   

[BUGEYE]

Will they outlaw home generators??

[Ranger99]

Will they outlaw home generators??

They will as soon as they think to

[wtxbadger]

Not sure about other states but I have been told that here in Texas the wind farms are required to have backup generators running on standby to offset when the turbines quit generating electricity and not impact the grid. Looks like that didn't happen here and really wondering why. Doing some digging and fired off emails to our state rep, senator and governor wanting to know why.

[Ranger99]

JMHO- I sure do need to know
which agency will be paying the
bill if there's damage from the
electrical failure that isn't my
fault in any way

[wtxbadger]

Wondering the same thing Ranger99, guessing we'll get nothing but excuses and hem hawing about how the state was working on it and they're really feeling bad for everyone affected.

[Ranger99]

I've tried to call Encor about a
half a dozen times and finally
got past the computerized call
screener. Says to have your bill
in hand with so-and-so ID number
ready when they take your call,
but of course the computer already
knows who's calling, and gives
you all your identifying information
when they start " talking " to you.
I go on hold and after waiting, lo and
behold I get a computerized response
that circuits are overloaded with
calls and to try and call again later.

I'm sure glad for all the advancements
in technology that make our lives
so much better and easier

[wtxbadger]

It's darn near impossible to get an actual person on the phone no matter what company you call and is really frustrating. It's designed that way in my opinion to discourage people from calling.
Same thing goes for trying to contact your state or federal elected officials, you have to navigate through the phone system and emailing them really doesn't seem to make a difference either.

[Argent 88]

Not sure about other states but I have been told that here in Texas the wind farms are required to have backup generators running on standby to offset when the turbines quit generating electricity and not impact the grid. Looks like that didn't happen here and really wondering why. Doing some digging and fired off emails to our state rep, senator and governor wanting to know why.

They are a CAT 3524, V12 X 2. Two Meg, covering the entire wind farm. X2 means two engines joined together shareing one long crankshaft. In this case that would mean a 24 cylinder.

[Ranger99]

Well the blankety blanking power
kicked on while I was out cleaning
off the windshield and the sidewalk.
I told the neighbor that if I wanted to
shovel blankety blanking snow,  I'd
move to someplace where I could
have one of those snow thrower
gizmos that everyone on the internet
talks about that gives them so much
hell every year.

I guess calling a dozen times for the same
thing maybe does get some action, or
maybe not.
Not so much for personal comfort, since I've
got longjohns and insulated
coveralls on, and a watch cap, but
having to spend a bucket of money that
I don't have for weather related repairs
would severely chap my butt

[Bob Riebe]

Not sure about other states but I have been told that here in Texas the wind farms are required to have backup generators running on standby to offset when the turbines quit generating electricity and not impact the grid. Looks like that didn't happen here and really wondering why. Doing some digging and fired off emails to our state rep, senator and governor wanting to know why.

Depending on what local you are calling but, it usually takes determination and not dicking around with the phone bott.
If I do not get sent to a person quickly I usually just start saying -- I want a person, I want a person, I want a person -- the robot will usually say some thing like, it seems I cannot help you, I will direct you to a live associate.

[Argent 88]

This winter storm is going to cost people a lot of money they dont ready have.

[Ranger99]

Didn't stay on quite 2 hours.
Cut back off around 8 PM.
Still off still cold
Called several times
Left several (polite) messages
Nothing
Nada

[Ranger99]

This winter storm is going to cost people a lot of money they dont ready have.

That's my main problem with the whole mess

[Lloyd Smale]

I worked in the power industry most of my life as a power plant operater and lineman. Ive said this many times. this push for clean energy is a joke. Before the first electric car was ever pushed by the goverment they should have started upgrading the grid. to force all americans to drive electric cars would about nessistate with todays grid to turn your power on about 2 hours a day. They would have to reconducter about every power line both transmission lines and rural distribution lines. they would have to upgrade every transformer at every home that was going to charge one along with the size of the conductors feeding most of them. Then it will require that probably 75 percent of us would have to upgrade our enterence service because most of them are only 100 amp services. THEN we have the problem of generation. Most of the generation in this country still comes from smoke belching coal fired power plants and there already over taxed so shutting them down isnt an option. It was once said somewhere i read to power this whole country on solar even without electric cars adding to the problem wed about have to cover the whole country in solar pannels at todays technology level. All this is is a political ploy by the liberals. Force something down our throats to get the greenies votes that even  biden knows cant be done. Make the rules now to start this sham because he and the rest in office know that by the time there really implemented they will be long gone and wont have to deal with the REAL cost of this. People in this country are so stupid or gullible that they think this clean energy comes from the electric fairy. The very cord they charge there prius or volt with is plugged right into a smoke belching coal fired power plant.

Now some will say it will be cured by forcing americans to go solar there selves and make there own power to charge there prius. Well thats just another dream. Most areas like up here dont see enough sun in the winter to charge anything. Add to that the REAL cost. So you buy your electric prius. Probably cost alot more even with goverment kickbacks (that your paying anyway because its tax money you paid) Then add the cost of upgrading your service. the cost of installing mandatory solar pannels that in the real world take 20-30 years to even break even on. Its one of the biggest shams ever played on the american public. I wont sit here and say it will never happen or never work. Maybe 20 years from now if we find a new way to make clean power but today its about like sitting a 747 in front of the wright brothers and telling them to fly it.

[BUGEYE]

I worked in the power industry most of my life as a power plant operater and lineman. Ive said this many times. this push for clean energy is a joke. Before the first electric car was ever pushed by the goverment they should have started upgrading the grid. to force all americans to drive electric cars would about nessistate with todays grid to turn your power on about 2 hours a day. They would have to reconducter about every power line both transmission lines and rural distribution lines. they would have to upgrade every transformer at every home that was going to charge one along with the size of the conductors feeding most of them. Then it will require that probably 75 percent of us would have to upgrade our enterence service because most of them are only 100 amp services. THEN we have the problem of generation. Most of the generation in this country still comes from smoke belching coal fired power plants and there already over taxed so shutting them down isnt an option. It was once said somewhere i read to power this whole country on solar even without electric cars adding to the problem wed about have to cover the whole country in solar pannels at todays technology level. All this is is a political ploy by the liberals. Force something down our throats to get the greenies votes that even  biden knows cant be done. Make the rules now to start this sham because he and the rest in office know that by the time there really implemented they will be long gone and wont have to deal with the REAL cost of this. People in this country are so stupid or gullible that they think this clean energy comes from the electric fairy. The very cord they charge there prius or volt with is plugged right into a smoke belching coal fired power plant.

Now some will say it will be cured by forcing americans to go solar there selves and make there own power to charge there prius. Well thats just another dream. Most areas like up here dont see enough sun in the winter to charge anything. Add to that the REAL cost. So you buy your electric prius. Probably cost alot more even with goverment kickbacks (that your paying anyway because its tax money you paid) Then add the cost of upgrading your service. the cost of installing mandatory solar pannels that in the real world take 20-30 years to even break even on. Its one of the biggest shams ever played on the american public. I wont sit here and say it will never happen or never work. Maybe 20 years from now if we find a new way to make clean power but today its about like sitting a 747 in front of the wright brothers and telling them to fly it.

^^^^^ This is a very good explanation of what we face. ^^^^^

[VA Rifleman]

Lloyd’s right about the grid not able to support an all electric fleet and Musk says we need to double the generating capability. Don’t see that happening under Biden.

Ironic. One day I listened to a liberal describe solar power as “cheap”. Right after comes a news blurb saying that due to the increased cost of solar, a local electrical company was going to further increase rates to fund rebates for disadvantaged people. In their words wealth transfer by the power company. Gee Whiz.

[wtxbadger]

I'm guessing the governor and congress in Austin will be addressing the issue of the Texas grid being compromised by wind, solar and the EPA forcing coal fired plants to shutter.

[oldandslow]

Will they outlaw home generators??

There will be no need to. When they get rid of all that nasty ol' oil you won't be able to run one.

[oldandslow]

( Research from Europe is breaking 130% (don't ask me how).

Can't be done. They may have figured out a way to make the new ones 130% more efficient than the older generation ones. One thing remains constant though. None of them work without sunshine and unless they can track the sun constantly they can't deliver their peak power.

[oldandslow]

Not sure about other states but I have been told that here in Texas the wind farms are required to have backup generators running on standby to offset when the turbines quit generating electricity and not impact the grid. Looks like that didn't happen here and really wondering why. Doing some digging and fired off emails to our state rep, senator and governor wanting to know why.

Try this website for some interesting information about wind power in Texas.

Texas Coalition for Affordable Power

   

[BUGEYE]

Will they outlaw home generators??

There will be no need to. When they get rid of all that nasty ol' oil you won't be able to run one.

Hopefully there will be enough communists who like a propane grill that I can buy that gas.
My generator runs on both.

[wtxbadger]

Yep.

[Lloyd Smale]

one reason solar isnt even more expensive is YOU. YOU pay taxes that the goverment gives as kickbacks to those stupid enough to buy it and even MAKES untilitys have a certain ammount of green energy which is much more expensive to make so YOU pay for it every month in your power bill. YOU pay taxes so the goverment can fund ford and gm to research it and even give them money so they can sell those cars cheaper EVEN knowing they dont make any sense at todays technology level. Its about as socialist as it comes. They are FORCING green energy down our throats and making YOU pay for it. What you will see is the government FORCING utilitys to comply right now. You will see government paid for power line upgrades that YOU will pay for and you will see your power bills double overnight. You will see them FORCING auto makers to make them and when there done will cut off all the incentives and YOU will be paying a 100k for a car or walking. Sorry to bring bad news but 30 years in the power generation and on the line and ive never found that electric fairy the liberals believe in. What i have saw is smoke belching power plants. Smoke belching factroys that make the wire and steel to build power lines. The mines to get the ore to make that steel and aluminum. the green trees that will need to be cut down to make poles.  Even pollution from  the manufacturing of treated poles to send that power to your home. NOW LETS DOUBLE THAT so that some hippy can drive an electric prius that YOU helped pay for. Think about how much pollution will be created reconductoring every power line in the United States!! YUP IT SOUNDS AWFUL GREEN TO ME. At least awful anyway. Its all part of there real plan. To make everything so expensive the middle class no longer exists and you will work for government electric debit cards. 

Lloyd’s right about the grid not able to support an all electric fleet and Musk says we need to double the generating capability. Don’t see that happening under Biden.

Ironic. One day I listened to a liberal describe solar power as “cheap”. Right after comes a news blurb saying that due to the increased cost of solar, a local electrical company was going to further increase rates to fund rebates for disadvantaged people. In their words wealth transfer by the power company. Gee Whiz.

[Lloyd Smale]

LOVE IT!!!

Yep.

[Lloyd Smale]

wana bet you and i will never be able to afford one?? At least me anyway. Then add that tesla seems to make alot of claims and produce few of them. Now im the first that would swallow my pride and say well done if there was a self substained car for sale for under 50k. To me its kind of like Biden before he was elected claiming he had a rock solid covid plan. WHERES THE BEEF. I deal in whats real not whats promised by liberals. Tesla has a plan bs everyone so the goverment puts even more pressure on gm and ford hoping they will throw there hands up and he will have a socialist government monopoly on selling cars. 

Lloyd is right about some things but heavy with hyperbole in other things.

It has never been said the whole country needs to be covered with solar panels to power the nation. Far far from it.

Presently solar panel efficiency is ard 22%, but newer panels coming along breaking 50%. Research from Europe is breaking 130% (don't ask me how).

Using solar E for hydrogen electrolysis is simple.

Tesla claims they will produce a E-car that will be solar charged and self-sustained. New battery tech is near.

But the real beauty of individualized solar E is minimizing expensive extensive power grids and craven power corporations. Resiliency becomes apparent.
.
.TM7

[oldandslow]

It's still giving only 100%. It may produce 130% more than what it's compared to but it's still only 100% of the new thing's capability.