We will end up fighting China

[Argent 88]

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/pentagon-chinese-air-force-fast-becoming-massive-threat

It's almost a given.

[JeffG]

yup

[Lloyd Smale]

they keep building there military stronger and stonger and the bleeding heart liberals here would rather have nice roads and flowers planted. Even conservatives are willing to dip into our military budget for special interest projects. China must get a good laugh out of that. Just biding there time.

[ironglows]

Exactly why D. Trump was brought forward and installed as our president.  Every one of those who ran against him in 2016, would only have spurred the CCP on to greater heights...at our expense.
     Those who run against him now, would return to the old line of letting our country down, while contributing to further CCP success in reaching parity by 2049.

Correction due above.  Where I said "every one of those who ran against him in 2016 would only have spurred the CCP on to greater heights", I was of course, speaking of those on the left

[darkgael]

One could make a cogent argument that the USA has been at war with China for at least the last decade.....economic war.
Since speculation is an art form here on GBOr.....what form would a “hot” war most likely take?

[Argent 88]

One could make a cogent argument that the USA has been at war with China for at least the last decade.....economic war.
Since speculation is an art form here on GBOr.....what form would a “hot” war most likely take?

Conflicts in Orbit will most certainly be a part of it. China's space domination program is already on a fast track.
They are working on positioning an orbiting module filled with high explosives close to an enemy's satellite and setting it off. Kinda used like a guided depth charge, if not an interceptor missile.

[Bob Riebe]

One could make a cogent argument that the USA has been at war with China for at least the last decade.....economic war.
Since speculation is an art form here on GBOr.....what form would a “hot” war most likely take?

Control of the South China Sea; Australia now recognizes the threat and is building up its forces.

[darkgael]

they are working on positioning an orbiting module filled with high explosives close to an enemy's satellite and setting it off.

Working on an anti satellite system makes sense. I do wonder what route they will choose to take.
High explosives are a poor choice. They do not function the same way in a vacuum as on Earth. No heat wave.  (No air to heat up and push). No shock wave (again no air, no medium to propagate the wave).
Even nukes function differently.
Pete

[Bob Riebe]

they are working on positioning an orbiting module filled with high explosives close to an enemy's satellite and setting it off.

Working on an anti satellite system makes sense. I do wonder what route they will choose to take.
High explosives are a poor choice. They do not function the same way in a vacuum as on Earth. No heat wave.  (No air to heat up and push). No shock wave (again no air, no medium to propagate the wave).
Even nukes function differently.
Pete

It is designed to be a giant hand grenade when I first read of it a decade ago.
The explosive core is surrounded by what ever is chosen for shrapnel.

The other thing I have read of is the good ole nuke and an EMP to disable satellites and warheads.
That is probably what China is developing.

[VA Rifleman]

Quote. “Working on an anti satellite system makes sense. I do wonder what route they will choose to take?”

Can be as simple as a Kamikaze attack or just spraying chemicals over sensors.

Another option.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33531/x-37bs-power-beaming-payload-a-reminder-of-potential-orbital-microwave-anti-satellite-weapons

“The U.S. Navy has announced the first test of its on-orbit power-beaming system on the U.S. Air Force's X-37B mini-space shuttle, just a day after the successful launch of that vehicle on its latest mission to space. These experiments could have game-changing implications for power generation on Earth, especially for facilities in remote areas and for unmanned aircraft, but they also underscore the potential applications of high-powered microwaves and other directed energy beams as weapons in space to jam, blind, or even destroy critical sensors and other components on opponents' satellites.”



One problem with kinetic anti satellite weapons is the Kessler syndrome.

http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/space-debris/kessler-syndrome/

[Argent 88]

There is a lot of that junk up there, upon re-entering the atmosphere it's often mistaken for something else.
Even a small lost tool can punch a hole in a spacecraft causeing a bad situation. Soyuz spacecraft have already encountered that problem before, so they now have an emergency quick patch system for that.

There is still a lot of controversy about the Columbia Shuttle disaster. The common consensus was it was due
to ice falling off and damaging the heat tiles on a wing. Others say it was due to space junk, judging on its
re- entry trajectory.

[darkgael]

There is still a lot of controversy about the Columbia Shuttle disaster. The common consensus was it was due
to ice falling off and damaging the heat tiles on a wing. Others say it was due to space junk, judging on its
re- entry trajectory.

Photos of the launch are pretty clear about the damage to the portside wing root resulting from dislodged insulation/ice. There is no denying, however, the ever increasing danger from “space debris”.

As of July 2013, estimates of more than 170 million debris smaller than 1 cm (0.4 in), about 670,000 debris 1–10 cm, and approximately 29,000 larger pieces of debris are in orbit. As of July 2016, nearly 18,000 artificial objects are orbiting above Earth, including 1,419 operational satellites.

[Argent 88]

There is still a lot of controversy about the Columbia Shuttle disaster. The common consensus was it was due
to ice falling off and damaging the heat tiles on a wing. Others say it was due to space junk, judging on its
re- entry trajectory.

Photos of the launch are pretty clear about the damage to the portside wing root resulting from dislodged insulation/ice. There is no denying, however, the ever increasing danger from “space debris”.

As of July 2013, estimates of more than 170 million debris smaller than 1 cm (0.4 in), about 670,000 debris 1–10 cm, and approximately 29,000 larger pieces of debris are in orbit. As of July 2016, nearly 18,000 artificial objects are orbiting above Earth, including 1,419 operational satellites.

If they knew about it then why did they try to re-enter anyway. Why didn't they dock with the ISS until repairs could be made? A Soyuz capsule did that once with a space walk. 

[Argent 88]

Mutually assured destruction . It's as if both sides are preparing for the inevitable. Let China pop out another virus and that will be the last straw. Unless Biden and Harris are at the helm, they would probably go along
with it.

[Argent 88]

Its already been determined that the virus study was shutdown in DoD lab in Maryland and shipped out to Hunan lab for 'gain of function' development in Hunan; and we know Fauci as a NHI director sent Hunan Lab $3.2 million for this development workup. What else do you need to know?
.
.TM7

I wonder if Bill Gates was also involved in all that. He sure did jump up and say " I can take care of all that".
Frigging little weasel. 

[Graybeard]

Cutting population to 500 million world wide.

Not really a bad idea, just that no one wants to be part of the group that is no longer here.

[Land_Owner]

War with China?  Why, when they can wait for (and perhaps enhance) our self-destruction through Social Justice mayhem and discord, then following that Civil War, walk right in without so much as firing too many shots and take over?

[oldandslow]

I'm with Land_Owner on the war thing. Why bother fighting us? WE are going to do ourselves in and be free for the taking to whomever is the toughest kid left on the block when it happens.

As to reducing the world population by 500 million: That isn't much of a reduction when it's over 7.5 billion. It won't take long for the survivors to have it right back up there.

[Dee]

China has effortlessly shut down, and ruined our thriving economy in what? 7 months,?

With no reprisals. Inject a little more potent virus into our country,  and our already panicked population will be under their collective beds shooting at folks crossing the street.

Then all China will have is a mop situation.

Seriously! Masks are the new norm, was accomplished in what? 6 months? Weak sisters are scared

[Bob Riebe]

In the shite for brains way U.S. society works today; the virus was a blessing exposing how Washington has let China become the machine driving the U.S.

The fact all the Russia is a threat to us is still in the headlines shows how gullible the U.S. population has become when it is obvious to any with an I.Q. over 50 China is our only real threat.

[Argent 88]

I never cared for Eastern Asia anyway.  Especially China and all the cheap junk they sell us.

[Graybeard]

As to reducing the world population by 500 million: That isn't much of a reduction when it's over 7.5 billion. It won't take long for the survivors to have it right back up there.

NOT reducing it by 500 million but reducing it from 7.5 billion down to a total world wide population of 500 million. In other words doing away with 7 billion folks. That is the goal of folks like Gates.

[Argent 88]

As to reducing the world population by 500 million: That isn't much of a reduction when it's over 7.5 billion. It won't take long for the survivors to have it right back up there.

NOT reducing it by 500 million but reducing it from 7.5 billion down to a total world wide population of 500 million. In other words doing away with 7 billion folks. That is the goal of folks like Gates.

Then let's start with them.

[Graybeard]

That's the problem with their plan David, no one wants to be the one the reduction starts with.

[Argent 88]

That's the problem with their plan David, no one wants to be the one the reduction starts with.

They would probably use some sneaky, and diabolical biological agent.

[ironglows]

  From Argent:  "They would probably use some sneaky, and diabolical biological agent."
 
  Of course, I'm sure you are  aware that they have already hit us, as well as the rest of the world, with a biological attack, called Covid!
   ..And one would have to do some fancy, mental gyrations, to convince me that U.S. and world leftist powers to be, did not aid them in doing so ! Primarily because since 2016, many of them are completely deranged.

[ironglows]

War with China?  Why, when they can wait for (and perhaps enhance) our self-destruction through Social Justice mayhem and discord, then following that Civil War, walk right in without so much as firing too many shots and take over?

  Yes, we are in leftist induced turbulent times now, and it could get worse!  ...But China has it's own problems.  Hong Kong is ready to blow up, the millions of Muslims in concentration camps would love a chance to play with fire. among other things.

  I simply must refute everything in the lefty statement below the flag picture.  I especially take issue with their statement, that "snipers are cowards".
 
That statement only serves to show their complete ignorance of the job.

[Argent 88]

I'm sure that BLM and Antifa don't understand that they will be on the kill list also. Who the heck is going to
allow them to be still be around?

[Land_Owner]

  I simply must refute everything in the lefty statement below the flag picture.  I especially take issue with their statement, that "snipers are cowards".
 
That statement only serves to show their complete ignorance of the job.

I AM A SNIPER.  I took that statement (those statements) as BITING SARCASTIC CRITICISM against the Left.  It was/is a perspective "thing" in my mind and depends on how you read it.

[Lloyd Smale]

the idea is sound. No way will this planet support the population 20 years from now unless something drastic changes but like you im not willing to be one of the culls. I could see a day though when or goverment and all goverments step in and take measures to control the population. They could start with my blessing by spade and neutering anyone that is on welfare. I know we all hate the goverment controlling our lives but the fact is if they dont we will starve and starving will be started with the poor then the middle class and the last ones standing will be the rich and powerful. Im saying that and im a catholic and a christian and was preached to my whole life that it was our duty to "be fruitful and multiply". But I think that is an agenda thats seen its day. When Jesus walked on earth there was plenty of earth to support more people. No more! I dont think Jesus would approve of bringing babies into the world that are destine to die a miserable death starving.

Cutting population to 500 million world wide.

Not really a bad idea, just that no one wants to be part of the group that is no longer here.