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Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« on: July 26, 2020, 04:16:31 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-broncos-caught-parked-next-to-jeep-wrangler-which-do-you-prefer


I think i would want to give the new Bronco a try. Ive had three AMC Jeeps down through the years and one of
the Chryslers. And one of the older big Broncos years ago. But i would have to say as far as a 4X4,i still liked the Z71 i had the most and wish i hadn't traded it for that gutless Chrysler jeep. The AMCs had a 304 V8.

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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 07:02:10 AM »
I had a 1958 6 cyl AMC Jeep Wrangler....Junk !  Then I had a 1998 4 cyl Chrysler Jeep Wrangler...very nice, except I thought it should have gotten better gas mileage (21 mpg)


  In between those two, I had a 1990 and a 1994 Suzuki Samurais.. great little 4X4s, sorry to see them go !  In 2wd, 4wd, on the flat or in the mountains (30 mpg) regularly.
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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2020, 09:38:36 AM »
Never owned a Jeep but have owned 3 full size Broncos. I bought an '85 new and drove it until I traded it on a new '88. I sure wish I had kept that '85, it was likely the best of them all. It did get kinda lousy gas mileage tho so I traded it for the '88 which had fuel injection thinking it would get better mileage.

Well the '88 didn't get noticeably better mileage, only about 1 or 1.5 mpg better. It had quite a lot of problems tho admittedly most all of them were things I had added to it before it came to me but after it left the factory. I think every single option I had the dealer add to this truck, about $12,000 worth of add on's, gave me problems. The basic truck as it left the factory tho was trouble free.

My next one was a '92 I picked it up used but with pretty low mileage on it in '95. I drove it until I bought my 2004 Toyota Tundra. Matt then bought it from me and drove it until he ruined about everything on it. He then sold it back to the dealer I had bought it from and as far as I know it's still on the road.

I loved those full size Broncos and don't think I ever owned anything that fit me better. I sure miss them.

I've been driving nothing but Toyota trucks since I got that first Tundra.


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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 10:32:27 AM »
I liked the early broncos but when Ford enlarged them to compete with Chevy that was it for me. I have a jeep now and am perfectly happy with it. It will go anywhere I want to. I had an International Scout years ago and it would go anywhere I wanted it to also. It just took a lot longer and much more gasoline than the jeep does.

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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 10:46:13 AM »
I'm just the opposite, I never liked the original Bronco and while I've ridden in them owned by others I've never owned one myself. The full size Bronco was my ride for a very long time and loved it.

I long wanted a CJ7 Jeep, never did like the CJ5 tho. My best friend had a CJ5 once and I always had trouble getting in and out of it.

These days I drive very little and seem never to go to the mountains anymore so really don't even need a 4x4 but I do drive one. My 2017 Tundra doesn't yet have 10,000 on it and might or might not have by end of this year. Come mid November I'll have had it for 4 years. I'd not bet on reaching 10,000 by then.


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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2020, 12:14:15 PM »
I liked the early broncos but when Ford enlarged them to compete with Chevy that was it for me. I have a jeep now and am perfectly happy with it. It will go anywhere I want to. I had an International Scout years ago and it would go anywhere I wanted it to also. It just took a lot longer and much more gasoline than the jeep does.


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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2020, 12:58:25 PM »
As far as jeep vs Ford, I'll take a jeep every time, but I just traded off a 2010 that I had completely outfitted.
I don't hunt anymore, and a pickup is handier in my old age.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2020, 04:15:32 PM »
  Well, at least O.J. prefers Broncos !
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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2020, 11:16:01 PM »
been a jeep guy for a long time and haven't owned a ford in my whole life so my answer is simple. Ive actually had good luck with reliability with jeeps since I bought my first tj. the old cjs weren't all that reliable but what was back then. I had a 99 tj with a 4.0 that had 210k on it when I sold it. My 2000 4 cyl had a 120k when I gave it to my daughter 3 years ago and its still been trouble free for the most part. I have a Jk now with the 3.7. Its been a great unit. I bought it with 10k on it and it has 50k on it now and all ive done is oil changes. Its light years ahead of the tj in build quality but sometimes I do miss the basicness and smaller size of a tj. Another reason I like jeeps is theres NOTHING that will give you better resale on trade in day then a jeep. Most of them used don't last a week on a dealers lot. To me the bronco is just another sport utility. A jeep is a JEEP. Something the bronco can never be. Now if I could only have one vehicle id have to side with dee and keep my pickup. But id sure miss the jeep in hunting season.
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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2020, 04:48:36 AM »
My jeep is an '07 wrangler x and I put on new shocks, spark plugs, and wires last year at around 75,000 miles. The original shocks were worn out and there was little electrode left on the plugs. Funny thing was it was still running fine and hadn't lost any gas mileage. The wires were because they had grown to the plugs and resisted all attempts to remove them in one piece. Three finally gave up and came off, the other three had to be torn off. The ride became better with the new shocks but it's still a jeep.  ;D The jk is better riding and much easier to get in and out of than the cj but again, it's still a jeep. If I were to have just one vehicle it would be a GMC 1/2"ton denalie but that's not happening as I still like to go boondocking out in the sticks too much. 

I have taken a couple of fairly long tips in the jeep on these crappy southern NM roads and it wasn't too bad and I averaged 22 mpg. It's much nicer and more economical in the suv.

I have owned a couple of fords in the past. That is why another will never reside here. I guess they have improved now but I'm not taking a chance.

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Re: Jeeps VS Broncos, which would you prefer?
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2020, 05:44:48 AM »
Two of my AMC jeeps were the CJ7. I never had any real problems with them but that 304 was a gas hog.
But with that 304 in something as light as a jeep, you could burn rubber in 2wd. You guys remember
the old WARN lock in hubs lol.

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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2020, 06:52:10 AM »
My jeep is an '07 wrangler x and I put on new shocks, spark plugs, and wires last year at around 75,000 miles. The original shocks were worn out and there was little electrode left on the plugs. Funny thing was it was still running fine and hadn't lost any gas mileage. The wires were because they had grown to the plugs and resisted all attempts to remove them in one piece. Three finally gave up and came off, the other three had to be torn off. The ride became better with the new shocks but it's still a jeep.  ;D The jk is better riding and much easier to get in and out of than the cj but again, it's still a jeep. If I were to have just one vehicle it would be a GMC 1/2"ton denalie but that's not happening as I still like to go boondocking out in the sticks too much. 

I have taken a couple of fairly long tips in the jeep on these crappy southern NM roads and it wasn't too bad and I averaged 22 mpg. It's much nicer and more economical in the suv.

I have owned a couple of fords in the past. That is why another will never reside here. I guess they have improved now but I'm not taking a chance.

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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2020, 06:58:23 AM »
You are fortunate, very fortunate that was all the problem you had.
I bought a used Chevy RWD station wagon, 1992, some fifteen years ago; it had a goodly number less than 100,000 miles on it.I decided to change the spark plugs as it had a some time miss.
Wires came off fine, none of the plugs on the side I started with came out, they broke off.Took it back to the diearler I got it from, he said he would do it.
They had to pull the cylinder head off, the plugs were fused in.He showed me what was left of the plugs.
I told him to keep the car and give me my money back.
I still change plugs, even the spendy ones, fairly often.

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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2020, 08:34:27 AM »
Think I'll pass on either one but I would settle for an early to mid-eighties Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 in good condition. The one my father in law had and the one I had were pretty much bullet proof mechanically. Still regret selling mine.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2020, 08:42:06 AM »
Out of curiosity.Have any of you ever had or ridden in the original Land Rovers.It was the Toyota knock off that caused them to leave the U.S. market.
First one was developed using a Jeep chassis over 70 years ago.

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2020, 09:03:58 AM »
Jeep gladiator. They want 44.000 for that lol. No way!

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2020, 09:08:31 AM »
Out of curiosity.Have any of you ever had or ridden in the original Land Rovers.It was the Toyota knock off that caused them to leave the U.S. market.
First one was developed using a Jeep chassis over 70 years ago.


They had them in Iceland when I was there.  They sorta looked like a Hum Vee. But most folks drove a VW bug.
Or a ford Cortina which wasn't sold in the US. I bought one from a sailor who was leaving the country.
It had the studded tyres for winter driving.

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2020, 12:31:13 PM »
You are fortunate, very fortunate that was all the problem you had.
I bought a used Chevy RWD station wagon, 1992, some fifteen years ago; it had a goodly number less than 100,000 miles on it.I decided to change the spark plugs as it had a some time miss.
Wires came off fine, none of the plugs on the side I started with came out, they broke off.Took it back to the diearler I got it from, he said he would do it.
They had to pull the cylinder head off, the plugs were fused in.He showed me what was left of the plugs.
I told him to keep the car and give me my money back.
I still change plugs, even the spendy ones, fairly often.


  Yes; sometimes with technical advances, new problems are  presented.  Used to be I religiously changed plugs, points and condenser at 12,000 miles.
  Now days, plugs are expected to go 100,000 miles, so often they are very set in place when it comes time to change.
  My nephew until a couple years ago when he sold it, had a auto repair shop which took care of cars others were afraid of.
  He did the regular Ford, GM and Chrysler stuff....but I liked to visit his shop, because often as not, he would have perhaps a Aston Martin, Sunbeam Tiger, Porsche or Ferrari in the shop.
  But back to the subject.. Whenever he changed plugs, he had some kind of material that worked like anti-seize, that he would apply to the replacement plugs !


  He recommends changing at the least at 50,000 miles, and use his anti seize mix.



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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2020, 11:49:55 PM »
you absolutely should use anti seize on any plug or bolt that's steel that goes into aluminum. Earlier ford trucks were very prone to plugs seizing in the heads and it was expensive because to remove the head you had to about take the whole front clip off the truck. I change mine every 50k. 30 bucks for a set of plugs isn't going to break anyone.
You are fortunate, very fortunate that was all the problem you had.
I bought a used Chevy RWD station wagon, 1992, some fifteen years ago; it had a goodly number less than 100,000 miles on it.I decided to change the spark plugs as it had a some time miss.
Wires came off fine, none of the plugs on the side I started with came out, they broke off.Took it back to the diearler I got it from, he said he would do it.
They had to pull the cylinder head off, the plugs were fused in.He showed me what was left of the plugs.
I told him to keep the car and give me my money back.
I still change plugs, even the spendy ones, fairly often.


  Yes; sometimes with technical advances, new problems are  presented.  Used to be I religiously changed plugs, points and condenser at 12,000 miles.
  Now days, plugs are expected to go 100,000 miles, so often they are very set in place when it comes time to change.
  My nephew until a couple years ago when he sold it, had a auto repair shop which took care of cars others were afraid of.
  He did the regular Ford, GM and Chrysler stuff....but I liked to visit his shop, because often as not, he would have perhaps a Aston Martin, Sunbeam Tiger, Porsche or Ferrari in the shop.
  But back to the subject.. Whenever he changed plugs, he had some kind of material that worked like anti-seize, that he would apply to the replacement plugs !


  He recommends changing at the least at 50,000 miles, and use his anti seize mix.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2020, 11:54:48 PM »
Ive seen a good many fj40s in the hard core stuff along side of jeeps but don't recall ever seeing a fj60 other then on the road or in a parking lot. More of a sport utility then a real off road rig. More competition to the jeep grand Cherokee then the wrangler. Now those fj40s were tanks. Other then being a bit underpowered. Most guys I knew that had them already dropped small block chevs in them. Now set up like that they take a beating that would leave a cj on the side of the trail as a pile of parts. Toyota had something there. Id love to see one today even with that Toyota v8 and that comes from one of Toyotas worse fans. Heck I might even consider a rig like that. 
Think I'll pass on either one but I would settle for an early to mid-eighties Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 in good condition. The one my father in law had and the one I had were pretty much bullet proof mechanically. Still regret selling mine.
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2020, 03:06:26 AM »
Now, here is a Jeep that would seem novel to some.  It is called an FC150..(FC for forward control).
  Many years ago, my friend had one that I occasionally used. Jeep only made them for a couple years. I believe his was a 1959 model.


Right on the nose: Jeep FC150 'forward control' pickup truck
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2020, 12:05:05 AM »
local 4x4 shop is into those. Hes got one lifted with 38 inch tires running on one ton axles with a small block chev in it. Two more restored stock ones. You about need earplugs to ride in one. Lots of engine noise and gears turning ect. 
Now, here is a Jeep that would seem novel to some.  It is called an FC150..(FC for forward control).
  Many years ago, my friend had one that I occasionally used. Jeep only made them for a couple years. I believe his was a 1959 model.


Right on the nose: Jeep FC150 'forward control' pickup truck
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2020, 12:19:28 AM »
     Yes, the engine was quite close to both driver and passenger.
, but they should at least keep the console shell in place.
 
  Willys JEEP FC-150

 
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2020, 01:19:15 AM »
he even used that stick on sound deadening stuff on the counsel and the floor boards and its still LOUD. Engine noise is just part of it. Lots of gear wining too. Its like sitting in a beer can on top of a lawn mower. But it sure is cool.
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2020, 02:32:52 AM »
  They did have good road clearance, and of course, the cab was limited to two, perhaps that was the reason they didn't stay in production very long.
  My friend's FC150 was painted dark blue with white trim..  He had a Sunoco station with repair service.
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2020, 04:13:14 AM »
Wasn't there a European truck that looked like that? I believe it was air cooled and can't remember who built it.
But it was Euro junk.

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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2020, 06:23:36 AM »
Wasn't there a European truck that looked like that? I believe it was air cooled and can't remember who built it.
But it was Euro junk.
  The Ford Econoline had a cab forward pickup as well as the Chevy Corvair. VW built a very versatile cab forward pickup, but like it's air cooled vans was underpowered.
   
  I once owned a Ford Econoline van.  It worked well, except the starter was underbuilt, where I had to replace the brushes every 5-6,000 miles.


  Today I drive a Jeep Patriot..and I have owned several jeeps over the years, but here is my favorite model, the M38 !
  I used the later M38 (almost identical) during my first hitch in the Army.


 In 1960 I actually did own a 1942 model Ford built Jeep.  That veteran was fun for hunting etc. No, it didn't have the vertical bar in front.
  That bar was to protect driver and passengers from wires strung across the roads during the conquering of and early occupation of, Germany.

  Why Did WWII-Era Jeeps Have Iron Poles? - World War Wings
 
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2020, 08:21:28 AM »
Those flat heads had a problem with the blocks cracking. Between a valve seat and a cooling port.
I had one. They were continental  Rambler engines back then.

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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2020, 11:23:09 AM »
Actually, Willys wasn't the first Jeep.  The vehicle was designed and put into production by Bantam Motor Co.
  However, bantyam was a small company, and couldn't come anywhere near to producing in the numbers the government demanded.
  Willys used the Continental engine, but Ford used their own.  However, the casual observer likely couldn't tell the difference.
  The only time I ever had a problem with the old M38, was one day when I was running through the hills of Camp Bullis, TX and the pilot bearing started growling!   ..But when I got back to Ft Sam (Ft Sam Houston) in San Antonio, I just turned it over to the motor pool, and it was ready again next morning.


  There were many Continental engines used by the military. Our M47 and M48 Patton tanks were powered by Continental (1746 cu in V12, air cooled), except for a few built under license, by Chrysler.  Same engine though.


 I believe Continental still makes small airplane engines, although Lycoming probably dominates the field..
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