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P365 VS HELLCAT – MICRO COMPACT COMBAT
« on: July 06, 2020, 10:04:22 AM »
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/hellcat-vs-p365/

EVIEWSBY TRAVIS PIKEMARCH 4, 2020

2018 was the year of the SIG P365. It premiered, had a few faults, was promptly fixed, and went on to be one of the best selling carry guns of 2018. Its popularity continued well into 2019. After the advent of the P365, the concept of the micro-compact carry gun was drastically changed. For some time the P365, with its remarkably small size and ten-round capacity initially had no real challengers. That changed in September 209, and the challenge came from Springfield Armory in the Hellcat pistol. Comparisons were an obvious immediate demand and both continue to occupy a special place in the concealed carry world. This naturally made us want to stack the two against each other. So who comes up in a P365 vs Hellcat contest?

Read on.


Comparing the Hellcat and SIG P365. Which micro compact is better?

P365 vs Hellcat Specs
 
The P365 and Hellcat both offer doublestack capacity in a package the size of a single stack. You are getting ten rounds at a minimum in a gun that looks like it should hold six. This impressive feat is a combination of managing gun and magazine size. The guns display many other comparisons and contrasts as well.

Both guns are quite small. The SIG P365 is just a hair lighter at 17.8 ounces when compared to Springfield’s 17.9 with the flush-fitting magazine. The P365 is also a shorter gun but has a longer barrel. The SIG is 58 inches long with a 3.1-inch long barrel. The Hellcat is 6 inches overall with a 3-inch barrel.

The SIG P365 is a little taller at 4.3 inches compared to Hellcat’s 4-inch height. The SIG is 1 inch thick, and the Hellcat’s grip is 1 inch wide at the grip.

Micro compact concealed carry pistol comparison.


The Hellcat is slightly more efficient when it comes to ammunition capacity. The flush-fit magazine for the Hellcat holds 11 rounds while the SIG P365 flush magazine holds ten rounds. One more round doesn’t seem like much, but hey, it’s 10% more ammo.

SIG also has 12 and 15-round magazines, but neither is a flush fit. The Hellcat also comes with slightly extended 13-round magazines, whereas the SIG comes with two 10-round magazines. I personally appreciate that Springfield includes the 13 round magazine with the Hellcat.

P365 vs Hellcat: Sights

Both guns come with Night/Day sights that are absolutely outstanding. SIG uses its own XRAY3 sights, and the Hellcat is equipped with tritium U Dot sights. I’ve been using the SIG sights for almost two years now, but I’m still faster with the U Dot Sights.

Hellcat sights vs. P365 sights


The Hellcat tritium U Dot sight on is on the left, vs the P365 XRAY3 sight on the right.

The U Dot sights are honestly my favorite part of the Hellcat. I’m leaning towards equipping a few other guns with these awesome sights. I find it quick and easy to get the dot dropped in the middle of the white U on the rear sight and get on target. If we were just doing a P365 vs Hellcat sights article, the Hellcat would win.


P365 rear sights vs Hellcat rear sights

 

The XRAY3 sights are traditional three-dot night sights with a high viz front sight as well. I can get on target and shoot rapidly with these sights too. Both guns feature excellent sights, but I prefer the U Dot sights.

How they Handle – Ergonomics Differences

Grip Texture and Shape

The grip texture of both guns is similar. Both are light enough not to chafe when carried but deep enough to give a good solid grip. The Hellcat’s texture goes a bit higher than the P365’s, which is nice. The extended baseplates of both guns are also textured to engage the pinky in the grip.

I can’t reasonably say one is better than the other.

When it comes to grip shape and how it feels in hand the P365 feels more comfortable to me. I appreciate it’s round design. The Hellcat is plenty comfortable but has a boxier design overall. The boxier design does lead to a slightly wider magwell, which allows for more intuitive reloads.

Serrations

Both guns have forward and rear serrations. They have a few differences. The P365’s serrations are deeper and have very squared ledges. The Hellcat’s serrations go over the top of the slide, and I like that as well. Again, no major differences that constitute a win or fail in this portion of the comparison.


The Hellcat has slide serrations that go over the top.

Controls

The guns are similar in the fact that they lack any manual safety. The Hellcat has a finger safety on the trigger, which will please those who prefer that feature. The SIG’s trigger is round, and the Hellcat has a flat-faced trigger.

Both guns have reversible magazine releases. The Hellcat is more button-like and is a little bigger. It’s easier to reach, and it’s slightly extended. It also feels more responsive and easier to drop magazines from.

P365 vs Hellcat comparison


P365 vs Hellcat – Note the differences in magazine releases.

I noticed the difference when I was running any drill that required a reload. I was surprised when running the El Presidente drill at how quick and easy reloads with the Hellcat are.

The SIG P365’s triangular’s magazine release is easy to reach and accessible. It just feels spongier and requires more force to press and eject the magazine.

Both guns have a slide lock that’s basically useless with my hands. My thumbs sit on it and prevent it from engaging the slide after the last round is fired. The controls are similar enough, but the Hellcat’s magazine release is better overall.

Slight Differences

One thing I did notice is that the SIG P365 is easier to rack than the Hellcat. The Hellcat has a much stiffer recoil spring. Another interesting factor is the fact that inserting a fully loaded magazine into the Hellcat is easier than inserting a fully loaded magazine into the SIG when the slide is forward. The SIG takes a little smack, and the Hellcat does not.

Hellcat-vs-P365


SIG’s mag cutouts make it easier to grip the magazine.

The SIG’s grip has two scalloped cut-outs that also allow you to grip the magazine easily. These cut out are well suited for when the magazine doesn’t drop free, and it needs some five finger convincing.

Shooting Impressions

This is where we make our money, how does each gun handle? As far as small guns, both are comfortable to shoot. The recoil isn’t slappy, and neither has any slide bite. The guns are comfortable and fun to fire.



Recoil wise, the SIG P365 seems to have less recoil and muzzle flip. The Hellcat seems to be a bit snappier and slower to get back on target. In fairness, this could very well be due to familiarity, as I have years worth of P365 experience. I’ve shot the P365 a lot more than the Hellcat, but to be fair, I’ve been shooting the Hellcat exclusively for almost two weeks and put a ton of lead out.



The SIG P365’s trigger is also smoother and more refined. Its pull is noticeably lighter than the Hellcat’s trigger. The Hellcat has a nice short pull but it slightly stiffer.


Both are excellent triggers, but the P365 is better, in my opinion. When I started shooting the P365 today, I was used to the Hellcat’s trigger. I was a little startled when I cracked off the first round. I was not expecting such a quick and smooth break.

What About Accuracy?

I kind of hate accuracy testing because it’s so dependent on the shooter. However, in my testing and experience, the P365 is more accurate at longer ranges. In my P365 Vs Hellcat testing, I backed off to 25 yards and fired three round strings. I fired several, and these are my best groups from both.

Springfield vs SIG comparison targets


Every time I fired a group, the P365 was tighter and closer to my point of aim. I seem to fall into the habit of throwing shots to the left a bit with the Hellcat. This seems to happen when I first start shooting for the day. It straightens out eventually, but it is always more pronounced at longer ranges.

Hellcat-vs-P365


The SIG P365’s sights are certainly better suited for long-range firing. The U Dot sights are better suited for close-range shooting and speed. In practice, I found the Hellcat’s sights to be better-suited for shooting from the draw. It was easier to line them up and drop the dot into the white U and pull the trigger.

Rarely could I beat my Hellcat’s draw-and-fire time with the SIG at ranges 10 yards and closer. That said, even when I was close and shooting, the SIG’s groups were often smaller. In fact, I landed two shots in one hole from a draw-and-fire drill at 10 yards. I couldn’t repeat that performance with the Hellcat.  However, I could still land effective shots with the Hellcat much quicker. Up to .10 seconds faster. Here are 3 shots from the draw with the Hellcat.

Target comparisons, Hellcat and P365 review

Reliability wise, both guns are top-notch performers. I would trust both of them with my life.

Differences Worth Noting

Before we finish up, I want to bring up three differences that are worth noting. The first two are rather important and interesting, the third is kind of important, and the last is just neat.

The P365 has a chassis system, just like the P320. This allows you to swap grip modules with ease. This is why I could drop the chassis into a metal frame from Icarus Precision and rock and roll. I can’t do that with the Hellcat.

Hellcat-vs-P365


The Hellcat comes in two flavors, standard, and OSP. The OSP is optics-ready. SIG does not offer the P365 standard in an optics-ready design and reserves the optics-ready version for the P365 XL.

The Hellcat also comes with a standard Picatinny rail. This allows you to attach lights and lasers without having to buy proprietary designs. The SIG has a proprietary rail, but as you can see, there are some lights and lasers available for it.

Lastly, the Hellcat has a built-in standoff device under the barrel. If you drive this weapon into someone’s gut, the slide will not come out of battery, and you can keep shooting. It’s a neat feature we rarely see in guns. I may never use it, but I like the idea of having it.

Springfield Hellcat standoff device


Notice the Stand-Off device on the Hellcat.

Which One?

The differences are minute, and if you said I could only have one, I’d stick with the P365. There are a few reasons. I do like the trigger more, and the grip is more comfortable, but I also have almost two years of P365 shooting and ownership. I have tons of magazines, accessories, and holsters to go with it.

If I didn’t have this time and money invested in the gun, the choice would be quite a bit harder. The Hellcat OSP model, in particular, is really attractive to me. I could see myself being attracted to an ultra-small, relatively high capacity carry gun that’s equipped with a red dot.

Luckily, this is America, and I can happily own both.

Which would you choose from our P365 Vs Hellcat competition? Have you tried both yet?


Bill aka the Graybeard
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Re: P365 VS HELLCAT – MICRO COMPACT COMBAT
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2020, 09:46:05 AM »
Elaine has some difficulty racking the slide on many guns. She tried the P365 in a little gun shop we happened on, and fell in love with it! We took it home with us that day, and went back for a second one for my carry gun shortly after.


Elaine is a bit faster and more accurate with her Glock 42, (her usual carry gun), but at the ranges one normally expects to be using a self defense weapon, the P365 is hard to beat, with 9mm rounds, and more of them. I'm faster with my PPS, or my S&W 9mm Shield, but again, the extra capacity makes the P365 more attractive, and what is presently in the Sneaky Pete on my hip.


I've never had any dealings with a Hellcat, but after reading your review of both guns, I believe we made a good choice. The main thing which could be considered a complaint from my end is the difficuly of loading the magazines. With
laines smaller hands, and my increasing arthritus, we found a need of purchasing a loading aid, and a few extra magazines. Problem taken care of.


Great review Bill!
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Re: P365 VS HELLCAT – MICRO COMPACT COMBAT
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2020, 04:57:35 AM »
It's as if the self defence guns are flying off the shelves. I went to my local gun store to have a look at both
of these guns. They didnt have either one and told me they were on back order until late August.

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2020, 11:59:03 PM »
Im just not a springfield fan. I think there early 1911s and early black pistols kind of soured me. I know the recent guns are supposedly good guns but they already have at least strike two from me. Ive been thinking hard on a p365,. Never had a P sig. Ive had some of the older sigs and they ran like a swiss watch. Problem I have is so does my glock 43 and so does even the 3 smith shields I have and those can be bought for about half the price of a hellcat or p365. Is it worth the cost of another gun to get 3 more rounds in a mag? Especially when its rarer then getting struck by lightning that a civilian fires more the 2 shots protecting himself.
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Re: P365 VS HELLCAT – MICRO COMPACT COMBAT
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2020, 12:28:37 AM »
Hi lloyd. You have a point to ponder about the extra couple of rounds available in a life or death situation. While I have read that most self defense encounters require only two rounds, and heard the same thing in a Bond Arms advertisement, I have yet to hear a complaint of anyone having too many bullets in a fight for their life. In fact, while I also have a Shield, and a PPS, the reason I have my P365 on my hip, and an additional 12 round magazine at the ready is the additional couple rounds just in case I need them for multiple attackers.


Just a little quickie. I was at the gun club yesterday and decided to burn a full magazine at our 25 yard steel plate targets. Just rapid fire, not target-like aiming for group, and put all 13 (12 in the mag, one in the pipe) rounds on the steel. That really builds confidence.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2020, 08:06:23 AM »
lot of it is a weight thing for me. I like a light gun and don't carry a spare mag. I guess I figure if I cant get it done with 6 or 7 im either in a war or need some practice. 20 years ago even cops carried 6 shooters. talked to the sheriff here one day. Hes been in the department for over 30 years. He said in that time one officer shot one warning shot in the air and not a single other shot had been fired by a deputy. So what does it take. 2,6,12 or should I carry 30 round mags. Maybe sling an ar15 pistol across my back and carry 4 spare mags. I guess to be fair part of my train of thought comes from the fact I live in one of the lowest crime rate areas in the country. If I lived in south side Chicago I might want a couple 17 round mags and a full sized gun. I guess carry what your comfortable with. If 12 makes you feel better and you can comfortably carry it all day and easily conceal it then your sure not making a mistake. 
Hi lloyd. You have a point to ponder about the extra couple of rounds available in a life or death situation. While I have read that most self defense encounters require only two rounds, and heard the same thing in a Bond Arms advertisement, I have yet to hear a complaint of anyone having too many bullets in a fight for their life. In fact, while I also have a Shield, and a PPS, the reason I have my P365 on my hip, and an additional 12 round magazine at the ready is the additional couple rounds just in case I need them for multiple attackers.


Just a little quickie. I was at the gun club yesterday and decided to burn a full magazine at our 25 yard steel plate targets. Just rapid fire, not target-like aiming for group, and put all 13 (12 in the mag, one in the pipe) rounds on the steel. That really builds confidence.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2020, 05:57:13 AM »
Lloyd you reminded me of the old saying. If you need more than one magazine, your not in a gunfight your
in a war.