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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/26/fed-government-to-alaskans-road-animals/
 
 Feds to Alaskans: No road for humans, lots of land for animalsBarnini Chakraborty                   By Barnini ChakrabortyPublished February 26, 2014FoxNews.com           
  • Aleutians East Borough.jpg                            The fishing community of King Cove is located in the Aleutians East Borough, which stretches from the tip of the Alaska Peninsula to the easternmost Aleutian Islands. Residents of the Cove have been asking the government for three decades to build a one-lane road that would connect the Cove to the nearby hamlet of Cold Bay.Aleutians East Borough
  • alaskamap.jpg                            Above is a map showing King Cove and the community of Cold Bay, which residents want to connect with a road.
Previous                      NextIn one of Alaska's most remote outposts, where a thousand hardy souls make their homes, the Obama administration has put the fate of birds and bears above the lives of people, blocking construction of an 11-mile gravel trail connecting a tiny fishing hamlet to a life-saving airport.
For more than three decades the predominantly Aleut fishing community of King Cove has been fighting to build a one-lane,gravel track connecting the Cove to the nearby hamlet of Cold Bay. What they have gotten is 30 years of flat-out federal refusals or stall tactics.Cove residents say a road is necessary so they can reach an all-weather airport in Cold Bay that will transport them to Anchorage, about 625 miles away, for medical treatment. They say that in emergency situations, it's a matter of life and death.
Late last year, though, the Department of Interior announced it was rejecting plans for a proposed land swap that would allow the road to be built. The Dec. 23 decision cited the negative environmental impact on grizzly bears, caribou and water fowl like the Pacific black brant.
 
“(Interior Secretary Sally Jewell’s) decision on King Cove was heartless and wrong, and her message to me ever since has been that I need to ‘just get over it and move on,’” Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, told FoxNews.com. “She thinks it’s over because she’s made her decision. But it’s not done. And it is not going to be done until those people have access to safety.”
The senator has already threatened to hold up the nomination of Rhea Suh, the president’s pick for assistant secretary for Fish and Wildlife and Parks. There has been talk of pushback on other nominations as well as options in the budget process.
 
The Cove, located on the south side of the Alaska Peninsula, is tucked in the middle of a storm corridor -- a fate that brings dense fog and high winds to the area forcing its small airport to shut down 100 days out of the year. With no functional airport and no road, at times there is no way out.
According to local Aleutian elders, 19 people have died since 1980 as a result of the impossible-to-navigate weather conditions during emergency evacuations.
 
To Murkowski, that’s 19 too many.
Murkowski used her annual address to a joint session of the Alaska legislature to call out the Interior Department over its rejection of a road through the Izembek National Wildlife Refuge.
“I am going to be a hell-raiser on this,” Murkowski said during her speech adding, “We’re going to get this road built.”
 
During an August visit to Alaska, Jewell was told that building a road that connects King Cove and Cold Bay was vital. But in December, Jewell rejected the road saying it would jeopardize waterfowl in the refuge.
“She stood up in the gymnasium and told those kids, ‘I’ve listened to your stories, now I have to listen to the animals,” Democratic state Rep. Bob Herron told a local television station. “You could have heard a pin drop in that gymnasium.” 
 
The city of King Cove first tried to get a road through in 1998. When that failed, residents came to a compromise with Congress where the city would receive $37 million for water access to Cold Bay, which included the use of a hovercraft. But then bad weather and costly upkeep hit, and the project was grounded.
Since then, the Obama administration has put up roadblocks -- saying the project would carry a significant economic burden.
But others say it’s not the case.
The land required for the road is less than 1 percent of the total refuge.
 
The land exchange that was proposed – and denied – would take 206 acres from the Izembek refuge for the road and 1,600 acres from the Alaska Maritime National Wildlife Refuge. In exchange, the refuge would receive 43,093 acres of state land and 13,300 acres of land owned by the King Cove Native Corp., which comes out to be 56,393 acres in exchange for 1,806 acres.
The Interior Department, though, argued that giving up refuge land would set a bad precedent.
Robert Dillion, a spokesman for Republicans on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, said the message the federal government is sending to the small Alaskan community is pretty clear: “Out of sight, out of mind.”
 
He also strongly refutes claims that the real motivation for building a road comes down to funneling in federal dollars to the state.
“People think this is an economic issue, but it’s not -- this is a moral issue,” Dillion told FoxNews.com. “The people of King Cove want a small road through what was their backyard.”
FoxNews.com made multiple requests over several days to the Interior Department for comment, but they were not returned.
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  I am no insider so my opinion means little, never even been to AK (yet) so what do i know...but, my opinion would be that things are fine as they are.

  For the folks who make that village a home,  life is as they always knew it with air and water the only way in or out. Seems like that would be a blessing most of the time as they are living the dream of many i think, truely cut off and remote. A road in would change that and bring unforseen changes to the town i think, some good but some not. A 625 mile rod to connect the 2 towns would be unavigatable throughout the winter and would probably not be much better in the other times of the year, if gravel and washboard it would take day to make your way back and forth..even a paved modern superhighway would be a 10hr trek. Road repairs and breakdowns would become another mini industry in itself..the repairs to such a road would be non stop and no doubt, quite expensive. A man dying from and accidental injury would seem to me to be just as likely to croak while bouncing down a backwoods road for 10hrs as to lie quiet until the sky cleared for a 3 hour flight out.. reason after reason i could think of as to why not to build the road..

  If the folks there are that worried about how they'll get to a doctor in time...maybe they should move closer to "town".? Or how about hire a doctor and build a small clinic? The road, givin its length and difficulty in building, does seem kinda unrealistic.   
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Read again, ELEVEN MILE ROAD.

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Read again, ELEVEN MILE ROAD.

 
YEP. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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It does not surprise me one bit. The long term effect of the road would probably like be nil on the wildlife.
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I feel it is inconsiderate to say things are fine like they are when most every other town , city , community in the USA makes improvements to roads etc. to enhance the safety of their residents. With that foolish line of thought we would all still be living in the hell hole known as James Town Va. when the settlers first came to the New World. 
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 "11 mile road"    :-[

  ;D lol there went my argument,  ::)
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Don't know about Alaskan wildlife, but if it's like wildlife here they use the road as well.  They are not asking for a superhighway, but a gravel path through land that should be theirs anyway.  Too much control in DC.

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Another example of the moronic mindset of the current administration.
 
Just shows their complete lack of knowledge when it comes to wildlife.  Do they think without the road the animals and birds lead an idyllic life and live forever?? ::)

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Don't know about Alaskan wildlife, but if it's like wildlife here they use the road as well.  They are not asking for a superhighway, but a gravel path through land that should be theirs anyway.  Too much control in DC.

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YEP, your last sentence said it all. The feds are poking their noses into way too many states rights. None of their danged business. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 09:12:18 AM »
Liberals have been killing humans to save wildlife for a good many years now. One of the big ones was the ban of DDT saying it made bird egg shells soft. Which the claim was never proven. Yet millions have died from malaria. Actually the number of children slaughtered by the ban of DDT is more than any genocide in history. Something how someone can kill billions of humans, based on a lie, by the stroke of a pen.
Liberals claim is that they are all about human rights and such, but when it comes to a rat or a bird, humans become a lower class species. I know they have done a bang up job of saving mosquitoes.       
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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2014, 10:03:20 AM »
An analysis by the Santa Fe-based Center for Sustainable Economy found the road could cost $47 to $54 million to build, far more than Interior calculated. Costs are likely to exceed benefits by a factor of 13, according to the analysis, which called the road "clearly not in the public interest."

Dr. Peter Mjos, who began his medical career in 1973 serving eastern Aleutian communities including King Cove and Cold Bay, opposed the road on safety grounds due to the possibility of drunk driving accidents especially in the blowing snow that frequently hampers visibility in the area, he wrote Jewell in October.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/12/24/3245186/interior-decision-on-king-cove.html#storylink=cpy

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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2014, 10:07:19 AM »
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Dr. Peter Mjos, who began his medical career in 1973 serving eastern Aleutian communities including King Cove and Cold Bay, opposed the road on safety grounds due to the possibility of drunk driving accidents especially in the blowing snow that frequently hampers visibility in the area, he wrote Jewell in October.

 
 
 
Now that is funny.  You can't have a road, because drunks might drive on it and hit someone.  Yep, everbody gonna be safer without them nasty ol roads.
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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2014, 01:10:37 PM »
So sad that 1000+ humans will die because of this. (I'm only making commentary on the thread title here).
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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2014, 02:51:34 PM »
So sad that 1000+ humans will die because of this. (I'm only making commentary on the thread title here).

(commentary on the thread title) part 2
the thread title was actually pretty descriptive. As surely as those 1000+ alaskans were born, they will also die. Heart attacks are one of the leading causes of death, and many of those could potentially be postponed if they could get an ambulance ride to a hospital, as well as hypothermia, drowning or a bad cut, all sorts of things that happen in a fishing village.


 Liberals favorite line is "if we could just save ONE life, child, snail darter, delta smelt, gay persons feelings, etc.......,(insert the cause of the day here) it would all be worth it. HOGWASH, This is just another example of gov't control.

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2014, 09:18:21 PM »
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Dr. Peter Mjos, who began his medical career in 1973 serving eastern Aleutian communities including King Cove and Cold Bay, opposed the road on safety grounds due to the possibility of drunk driving accidents especially in the blowing snow that frequently hampers visibility in the area, he wrote Jewell in October.

 
 
 
Now that is funny.  You can't have a road, because drunks might drive on it and hit someone.  Yep, everbody gonna be safer without them nasty ol roads.





So if he is so concerned about human life he should stop practicing medicine since doctors and hospitals kill more people due to poor practices and missed diagnosis than drunks do. Wonder if he was afraid of getting a drunk driving ticket ?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2014, 09:20:13 PM »
Obiewan and the epa playing games. One trip to Hawaii could pay for this. He's to interested in wiping the butts and blowing the nose's of his welfare voters. gypsyman
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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2014, 09:42:19 PM »
  Well, I've spent some time in that area...  It's pretty much all wetlands, so I'm betting the road would cost a fortune...

  After having spent time there, I'm not sure I agree with the road....  AND it would do YOU guys some good to spend some time there too, so you know what you are talking about...

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2014, 10:00:24 PM »
Well around here they build roads across swamps quite often. They build roads as modern as interstates and as rustic as a culvert pipe or several covered with gravel. There are roads built all over America that were not cost effective. It seems they want a jeep road not something a Lexus would use.  It couldn't be any harder to build than alligator alley or US 1 thru the keys or the Chesapeake bay bridge tunnel.


 Maybe some French group will build it as a toll road  ;D ::)
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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2014, 10:11:13 PM »
Chicago was built on a swamp so they can probably build a one lane road thru some wetlands.

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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2014, 11:41:02 PM »
  Let me help you guys out a bit...  I NEVER said it "couldn't be done"...

  I DID say, that after spending time there, i'm not sure it should be done...

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2014, 12:15:12 AM »
Point well taken DM. 
 
The residents there seem to be primarily concerned with another way to get OUT.  I wonder if they have also considered what the road will bring IN to their community?  It will certainly bring change, and it may not be the kind of change they will like.

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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2014, 12:34:17 AM »
I wonder if they have also considered what the road will bring IN to their community?

I wonder if some of the folks in Colorado have opinions on that?  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2014, 03:10:57 AM »
What wouls a 11 mile road allow in that can't come in anyway ?
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Re: Obama admin puts birds, bears, critters above the lives of 1,000+ Alaskans.
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2014, 04:24:17 AM »
Hitchhikers, sightseers, more drugs, booze, homeless/street people during the warmer months, etc.

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2014, 04:41:22 AM »
Only if they allow it.
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2014, 05:18:03 AM »
 
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Hitchhikers, sightseers, more drugs, booze, homeless/street people during the warmer months, etc.
           I very much doubt that hitchhikers and the homeless/street people are going to fly into the airport just so they can walk the 11 miles into the village.  Come on now.    ::)
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2014, 05:20:33 AM »
Really where would a homeless person get funds for a trip to AK ?  :o ::) . It might be more police presents could mean less crime.
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2014, 07:34:34 AM »
"Build it and they will come".  Anytime you make access easier more people will come.  Some you'll want and some you won't.

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2014, 07:44:16 AM »
The people living there want the road, build it. They should know what they want and need. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
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