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Offline ButlerFord45

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Winchester Model 94--old
« on: February 24, 2004, 12:27:10 PM »
One of our members here has an excellent website I know already your going to want to visit.  His posting name is ricciardelli, his web site is http://stevespages.com/  I wouldn't be jumping the gun like this, but I don't see him in the lever guns very often.   He has the owners manual for 94's on pdf at the following address
http://stevespages.com/pdf/winchester_94.pdf  this is newer guns but for most things it will give you an idea.
Your's and mine are about the same age, if you have a ramped front sight, the sight is drift adjustable and can be punched out.  While not absolutely positive, I believe that if you drift out the sight, there will be a screw underneath to remove the ramp.
Which Hi-Viz sight??   I have no idea.
Oh, the odds of causing the primer to fire by loading through the gate is about 1 in 946,963,792,483.
There are some who advocate not using pointed bullets in tubular magazines, due to the posibillity of the impact of recoil causing one pointy bullet striking the primer of the cartridge ahead of it.  Might this be what you were thinking of?
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2004, 01:42:44 PM »
win50  My hunting 94 was made in '53 and it's still a pleasure to shoot.  I installed a receiver peep sight and love it.  Out to 100 yds I don't even think of a scope to shoot a whitetail.  I just remove the aperture and use the threaded hole as the peep.  It is quick on target and accurate to blow out a deer's lungs.  I love the feel of carrying the 94 as it was intended--without a scope.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2004, 02:38:36 PM »
Win50,
You've got a fine gun,there.
My '94 was made in 1971,and is similar to yours.
I installed a Williams side mount with an offset scope. The sight of it does offend some purists,but I have no problem hunting with it.
I think that they are still available from the Company.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2004, 06:18:50 PM »
The hood is easily removed, it sounds as though you have a front sight with a ramp.  
I don't know if you are famaliar with aperature sights, but I can atest that they are Gods gift to double nickel eyes.  They eliminate one of the focusing planes and in fact improve your ability to focus on the others.
For example find something that you could read 10 years ago and bring it normal reading distance, curl your index finger till there is a very small hole in the center, less than the size of a pencil,  Use your curled finger and the rest on your hand to block out all vision except through the hole created by your curled index finger, then look at what you were trying to see before.  It will be in much better focus.  It is this same principle the peep sight.  Peeps were used on this gun from it's beginnings.  There are receiver mounted and tang mounted.  My personal prefference is a Marbles tang mounted, it has both elevation and windage adjustments.
There is one other thing I've found that us old eyed people can do, and that is to focus on the front sight and allow the target to blur.  It was difficult for me to change, but I did and it works.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2004, 04:29:22 PM »
Sounds like your '94 has a rear sight that is dovetailed into the barrel. Most, if not all were. Yes, it will drift out.
As to detonating a round while loading. I think, as long as you are using round nose or flat nose bullets designed for the cartridge, it's pretty much impossible.
I severely doubt it would happen with spire points, but it IS possible, so don't load spire points, unless it'as one only in the mag and one in the chamber.
Many spire point designs are for higher velocity cartridges anyway, and may not work well in the 30-30 on game.
I am a big fan of the receiver sight myself. If you want something bright out front, try one of Williams "Fire sights".

Scope on a '94? Nope, couldn't do it. I just can't ever see myself doing that to  any of my '94s. Personal thing I guess.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2004, 01:09:27 AM »
http://www.marblesoutdoors.com/  I like this old company
http://www.marblesoutdoors.com/sights/peep.html  Tang peep sight
http://www.marblesoutdoors.com/sights/contour.html  Hi Viz Front sight

You'd be hard pressed to find a factory 30-30 cartridge that is not appropriate for the tubular magazine, with the exception of possibly finding some "Accelerators" (55 gr. bullet in a sabot) which in my opinion are useless anyway.
I know that Lyman makes a No 2 quite similar to the Marbles, but is not windage adjustable.
There are also some sights that mount on the rear of the receiver.  I know that Williams is quite popular.
Hit o'le  http://www.dogpile.com or http://www.google.com with any of these sights and see what you can find
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2004, 02:36:40 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2004, 10:23:45 PM »
I have the Williams FP[fool proof] on one and a 5D on another and have been very happy with them.I got the first on the advise of my eye doc.Most of these are already fitted to holes already taped in your gun.Hope this helps

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2004, 06:14:13 AM »
Win 50 like yourself I wear bifocals and cannot effectivly use open sights. However I have no problem in using apperature (peep) sights. I have them on two of my levers. Both are Williams FP. Just remove the small target disc that comes with it and you`re set to go hunting.
 Years ago I owned a pre 64 Win 94 carbine that I wanted to scope. I took it to a smith that installed a forward mounted Leupold M-8 2X non critical eye relief pistol scope. I had that rifle many years and was very happy with it.
 If you elect to use the peep sight you can install it yourself . The sights are made to comply with existing tapped holes on the receiver. Best of luck. POW

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2004, 03:30:12 PM »
I have Williams receiver sights on most of my lever actions, and it really helps to aim for those of us with a few decades of use.  They are easy to install, and if you leave the rear open sight on, you can roughly get the peep sight on target without firing a shot.  Williams also has a blank to fill the slot left after you take off the rear sight, and it is nice to not have to worry about snagging your hand on the dovetail.  You can also get different sized apertures for the peep sight, but the only one I find of much use hunting is the twilight aperture, which has a brass ring around the hole, and it shows up better in low light.  One of those, along with a FireSight front sight would be a nice setup for the woods.  If you decide to put on the peep sight yourself, get some gunsmith screwdrivers. Nothing is as upsetting as a nice gun marred by a poorly fitted screwdriver slipping out and scratching the metal.