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Best small new car
« on: June 20, 2013, 12:17:05 PM »
I'm thinking about buying a new gas saver after the first of the year. If you wanted a reliable, economical small to mid size car what would you buy & why?
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 06:19:15 PM »
Looked at this same issue a couple of years back. The wife was driving my Bronco to work and the gas bill was more than she wanted to spend and she was tired of the BIG Bronco. We looked at most everything in an econobox- Kia, Hyundai, GM, Ford, etc in both new and used cars. We bought a used 2006 ZX4 SE Ford Focus. It's among the rare small cars that I fit in and comfortably I might add. I'm 6'4". The 2.0 Duratec engine has been a stellar engine for quite a while with a long reliable history. The platform for the old Focus and the new Focus are the exact same, just different sheetmetal so it has a long history and that history has been great. It's a comfy riding car and has more giddy up than I thought an econobox would have. Fuel mileage with me driving it is 32-34 town and 44-45 hiway, but I usually get better fuel mileage than most folks. If yer old enough to remember the Mobil Economy Run, my grand dad and I raced in it so I know how to milk fuel mileage. Like any of the econoboxes, you have to be careful about what tires you run on it or expect loads of road noise. Otherwise, in the 60+ thousand miles we've had it we've spent money on brakes and gas and oil- that's it. It still drives like a new one and looks like a new one. We did have the windows tinted for our Texas heat so the A/C will absolutely run you out of it on high when the temps are 100F+. We will be replacing the Bridgestone tires sometime this summer. They were a 50,000 mile tire and still have a lot tred left but they are showing aging cracks. They're getting noisy anyway and considering the wife is one that she drives all the way to a red light at speed and then slams on the brakes only to hammer the gas on take off, she needs great tires under her if it rains. Honestly, considering her driving habits, it's a wonder anything holds up under her but the Focus is still pretty bulletproof. Kinda like a Timex, takes a beatin and keeps on tickin". Give one a look see. You might just fall in love.

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 06:23:55 PM »
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 12:56:39 AM »
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They're getting noisy anyway and considering the wife is one that she drives all the way to a red light at speed and then slams on the brakes only to hammer the gas on take off, she needs great tires under her if it rains. Honestly, considering her driving habits, it's a wonder anything holds up under her........

That must be a woman thing!! I live with one of those.
 
The Car sounds good but I have problems with the name! Dont wanna be riding in a "focus"! Its a marketing mistake as far as I am concerned. Why didn't they call it a F 2.5 or a Pony. or even a Crown vicky!  ::)  "Focus" leaves me lil nauseated.  :-\
 
Hard to beat a Honda civic, but they are a little noisy at times as well. Might go to a preowned(used) Accord for the same money and it will be quieter!
 
I drove a Toyota Corolla for a while but climbing down into any of those little cars is not fun with old bad knees.
 
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 01:23:53 AM »
Im a Gm man and have been for years. Last year my wife got her first new car. We were looking at malibus and cruises. I didnt care for the tiny turbo motor in the cruise. I just cant buy into a tiny boosted motor going for the long haul. One of the chev dealerships we were at did buick too and they had some veronos there. My wife fell in love imediately. Its buicks version of the cruise. What i liked was the fact it had a bigger non turbo motor and was a heck of alot classier looking. I got checking around on consumer guide and it was one of the highest rated for customer satisfaction of any american car. We bought it and have had it for a year and both really like this car. It rides like a buick, looks sharp and gets 35mpg on a trip and 30 in mixed driving. May not be what you looking for it your looking for cheap but its a real nice upper end small car.
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 01:33:53 AM »
I like fords, and if my budget alowed I'd buy a crown Vic or even a town car in a heartbeat. But the focus was what I was thinking. And it's getting good reviews. My F150 will stay the smaller car will replace the Tahoe I keep in Alaska. I'll give it to the daughter. She uses it in the winter anyway because her little car gets stuck in the snow every time they have a storm.

Cheeper to buy another car than bring the Tahoe down to Florida. I believe my wife has decided to stay here and just let the kids visit us.

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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 01:40:11 AM »
I've always preferred a ford Lloyd. But I did have a new Buick 20 years ago & liked it. If I was going to buy a GM car it would be a Buick.  :D
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 06:55:23 PM »
Was here three months ago.


My findings, granted I am of Sasquatch proportions 5' 17" tall and 273# . I tested Toyota Camry absolutely a fine car had no soul. Volkswagen Passat, tight German type ride and comfort backseat looked useful Jetta nearly same size sans the useful backseat, oh and just a crap hot performance feel from that one. Ford Fusion somewhere between Toyota and VW.  Nissan Altima, not quite as refined as the above cars, more headroom than the Fusion, much nicer interior feel than VW.


I tried the next smaller size from each of the above. The Jetta was the only one of acceptable size.


My criteria going in was 30 + mpg which meant four cylinder.  I had to fit in it and needed to be able to go a solid 500 mile day. I did not want to exceed $20,000. I ended up with a Nissan Altima Coupe a 2011 with 6000 yes 6000 miles on it. $3000 under my budget, and much more style than I ever thought I would end up with. 5000 miles later I'm happy as a lark, several comments on the looks and quite a few people have told me it will last forever.


A couple we run around with bought both a Focus and a Fusion last year, they both like the fusion and would will buy another the Focus not so much. Good enough car they just don't find it comfortable to drive for long distances. The economy is not enough to make up for the thin seats etc. even when they solo on a cross state trip. They are roughly a six footer and a five footer. Mom says it isn't as nice a car as her 85 Honda as far as she is concerned.


So... If sporty is your bag go VW, Fusion for a US maker that gets pretty darn close with a better ride softer sears etc. Toyota get you the biggest softest, most adult car, the Nissan for me was the best value, and was the best styled.
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2013, 12:22:41 AM »
like was said i hear alot of good things about the focus and fusions. I saw on motor trend where they make a turbo focus thats suppose to do a 155mph!!! Not with me in it! Ive allways been a bit partial toward buicks. My dad has allways bought them and had great luck with them and my first buick was a grand national in 87 which was my all time favorite car. Wish i had that one back now. I thought when I bought this verono it was nothing but a rebadged chev cruise but found out theres no parts interchangable between them other then the brakes. They are made by gms opel division and even use differnt alloy steal and differnt glass to keep them quieter. Real solid sound when you shut the doors on it. It feels very well made. It also had a 4 year warantee vs the chevs 3 year.
I've always preferred a ford Lloyd. But I did have a new Buick 20 years ago & liked it. If I was going to buy a GM car it would be a Buick.  :D
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2013, 01:17:37 AM »
 Our 2000 Honda Accord V6 was such a great car that I didn't think much about another make when we traded it in late last year. We got a new Civic to replace it.


 The Accord was in the shop a total of three times; seat belt problem, water leak I couldn't locate and alternator. I fixed a few things and did normal maintenance myself. One thing that impressed me about it was that the body and interior were in great shape after 13 years. Nothing falling apart or broken and everything on it still worked. Not bad for a car that was outside (never saw the inside of my garage) its entire life.
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2013, 04:04:31 AM »
We, mostly I, am not a good example of keeping a vehicle shiny. All our are outside and hardly get a wash. Nova Scotia gets enough rain to keep the dirt off.!!
Our latest vehicle is a Chev Cruze. The Missus likes it, I miss the cruise control we had in the other car and truck and the tranny is a real piece of crap. Who, in a hot place, needs a 6 speed tranny in a car??? If it would shift smoothly it would be one thing. Coming out of 1st takes forever with the engine slowing down to the point you think it is about to stall, second to third is slightly better, but not much. You can feel it downshifting even on idle from 4 to 3.  I would not buy the car again ! Fuel usage is close to what it is advertised, now that is rare. !
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2013, 05:17:21 AM »
BBF I hear you on the busy trans.


The ne to e Nissan has a continuously variable trans. I had gotten used to the thing over the last few months and had quit paying attention to it. Got back into the Expedition last week, the gear shifts seemed very odd after the CVT.


Now I'm driving a auto shift freightliner semi. Ten speed computer actuated manual trans. When it's all said and done the throttle, clutch and trans are computer controlled you are just there for steering and recommending a speed you want to travel at. It works mostly... sorta, it's not quite as smart as it thinks it is.
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2013, 12:53:58 AM »
thing is that 6 speed is one of the main reasons your getting the gas milage they said you would. It keeps your motor in the most effecient part of the motors powerband around town and has a deap overdrive for the road. It took a bit of getting used to for me too. I even brought the car back because when it dropped below 35 when comming off the highway it downshifted on its own. Never had a car do that. But we took two others a buick lacross and a cruise for a ride and they did the same. I guess i can put up with it to get 35 mpg. 6 and even 7 speed autos are in all the full sized pickups now so i guess weve just got to get used to it.
We, mostly I, am not a good example of keeping a vehicle shiny. All our are outside and hardly get a wash. Nova Scotia gets enough rain to keep the dirt off.!!
Our latest vehicle is a Chev Cruze. The Missus likes it, I miss the cruise control we had in the other car and truck and the tranny is a real piece of crap. Who, in a hot place, needs a 6 speed tranny in a car??? If it would shift smoothly it would be one thing. Coming out of 1st takes forever with the engine slowing down to the point you think it is about to stall, second to third is slightly better, but not much. You can feel it downshifting even on idle from 4 to 3.  I would not buy the car again ! Fuel usage is close to what it is advertised, now that is rare. !
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2013, 03:54:26 AM »
Loyd:
 A good 4 speed or even five speed with converter lockup and proper gear ratios will get you good fuel economy. It has been done before and I presume some other brands get good milage without 6 speeds or more and operate smoothly.
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2013, 06:51:32 AM »
I have a Toyota Yaris and a Ford Fiesta.  Both get 40+ mpg and are great cars. I won't own anything made by Government Motors....never have and never will.
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2013, 09:59:22 AM »
I predict the engine trans combos are going to be optimized to keep engines in continuingly more narrow power bands.


I imagine it is an easier engineering feat to provide optimum fuel burn in a very narrow RPM range. It can't be an accident that OTR trucks can squeeze > 7 MPG hauling 80,000# loads while having an RPM range from 700 to 1300 RPMs with the top 300 being the most useful.


I can see the future being a .75 liter generator charging a modest battery pack with electric drive motors. The gasser will rarely change RPMs, as it is constantly either charging batteries or supplying power to the wheel motors. Acceleration will be provided by battery power, as will hill climbing power. Flat land cruise will be provided by the 30 hp gen pack, with excess recharging the batteries or perhaps capacitors.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2013, 10:09:33 AM »
....And some people think the hybrid car is "new" technology.. ;) ;D
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Re: Best small new car
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2013, 10:19:53 AM »
If I had to get a small car that gets better gas milage.
I would get a Mini cooper.  I would prefer a convertable.
But a used of the 4 doors from a Rental car company would not be a bad way to go.
Why?  Go test drive one and you will not have to ask why I would want a Mini if I had to drive a small car. 
 

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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2013, 10:59:33 AM »
My first choice would not be a Mini considering their poor CR reliability history, first pick for a small car would be a Corolla then a Civic.

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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2013, 12:50:39 PM »
Here's a chart for you to look at. It's a chart that shows by year the amount of complaints filed on specific cars and it's searchable for the reasons. I really didn't pay that much attention as to which is the best but the Ford Focus out sells the Corolla worldwide. There's an apparent reason and that's mostly because the Corolla is more costly for less content. Both are still exceptional cars though.
http://www.fordproblems.com/Focus/
http://www.toyotaproblems.com/Corolla/


If you're looking for new, I'd strongly suggest avoiding any direct injected engine. They all are having issues with that technology. Mini is now recommending that the top come off of the engine every 10,000 miles for deposit cleaning. Cost at dealerships is right at $1000.00 USD and is not covered by warranty. GM and Ford both have replaced many DI engines. GM lost a bunch due to the OLM programmed far, far out of spec and the oil basically failed. DI engines are hard on oil and are great at causing fuel dilution. The EcoBust is fabulous at 5% fuel of weight normal in 5000 miles- not good.

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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2013, 12:54:56 PM »
Small car diesels up to par yet?

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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2013, 02:58:42 PM »
My first choice would not be a Mini considering their poor CR reliability history, first pick for a small car would be a Corolla then a Civic.

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http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/mini/cooper/reliability.htm

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/toyota/corolla.htm

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/honda/civic/reliability.htm
Yea yea, But they are fun to drive and I will look really cool sitting by the side of the road till AAA shows up to tow me with a smile on my face, while you can look unhappy in the Civic, Corola, Yaris, or other underpowerd tin can that is not fun to drive and they handle like a riding lawnmower as you put- put by with what is not a grin on your face. 
Look around at the people sitting in traffic with you.  See if the person in the econo box reliable car looks happy to be in it.
 

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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2013, 03:07:51 PM »
I don't care what a care looks like anymore......I go for reliability and safety ratings.

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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2013, 03:09:57 PM »
I think little cars are great fun.  I've driven them my entire life.  I just spent the afternoon driving a Mercedes 550E that cost $125,000.00.  I prefer my Yaris......
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2013, 03:16:56 PM »
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Not really. GMs Cruze is already on the streets with a 2.0 diesel. Fuel mileage isn't any better than most of the gassers. All that for an additional $4000.00 for the diesel- I doubt they sell many. Considering the Jeep will have the 3.0 diesel in the Cherokee and it gets in the high 20s for fuel mileage, why buy a small car when you can do almost as good with a full size SUV. This is the same 3.0 that will be in the new Dodge 1500 diesel truck. Test mules are busting 30mpgs with them. All are emissions compliant via the PCM controlled automatic transmissions. All of the new small diesels are around the 15:1 compression ratio for more quiet operation and emissions friendly. Seems counterproductive to me but I don't design 'em. Popping the compression to 22:1 would increase efficiency by a lot. You'll probably see guys modding these engines with hyper drive turbos, multi-turbos, or direct drive blowers. Output could go up by 50% or more

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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2013, 03:21:45 PM »
I've been interested in the 1500 Dodge diesel.  I have a 3500 with a Cummins and see 23-24 MPG. Just don't like buying new or  1st year model.

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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2013, 11:56:35 PM »
I bought a volkswagon rabbit diesel for my daughter many years ago. It was not a reliable car but maybe I just wasn't familure with diesel motors. I learned a little while in Alaska because a lot of the fishing vessels were powered by diesels.

It seemed like the first diesel cars the drivetrain was not beefed up to withstand the torque a desiel provides. I liked the torque they have in a light car.
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2013, 12:01:25 AM »
If I had to get a small car that gets better gas milage.
I would get a Mini cooper.  I would prefer a convertable.
But a used of the 4 doors from a Rental car company would not be a bad way to go.
Why?  Go test drive one and you will not have to ask why I would want a Mini if I had to drive a small car.


Not what I'd call an economy car.

 My Wife really wanted a Mini. I would have liked one too but not at what they go for. We looked at them briefly but all the 4 door models we could find around here would have been ~$30K out the door. All had "premium packages" that bumped the price up out of our budget.


 Convertible? Base price on the cheapest is over $25K. For $7K more you could get a BMW 320i sedan with a 4 banger and twin turbo that gets better gas mileage with 50% more HP.
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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2013, 12:54:27 AM »
Larry i just saw an add for the cruise deisel and the epa on it is 45 hwy. Id say thats a bit better then high twentys and a bit better then the avearge small car. the best gas cruise is rateda at 37 and there conisdered one of the better small cars on gas. At least until you start talking those tiny cars that are about go carts with a cab on them. Me i want a car that will at least hold 4 people comfortably and i dont want some stripped down plastic interior and a stick shift.  Sorry but to me cars like the prius, fiesta, rabbit, ect are just to small and basic and if i have to get 5mpg less to have a little bigger and nicer car i have no problem with it. Like i said my buick gets an honest 35 on a trip and thats 70-75 mph freeway driving.  Id take that with leather heated seats before 40 sitting on plastic and shifting a stick. Problem with diesels are three fold for me. First i live where it gets very cold. I know most newer diesels have the cold start issues licked but it still makes me nervous. Secondly diesel fuel about allways is more expensive which eats deaply into the savings and thirdly and most important is the manufactures are just to proud of them and charge so much that youd about have to run one for 10 years to see any savings in your pocket compared to the same model burning gas. Heard rummors chev is bringing out a turbo diesel 1/2 ton truck. V6 diesel thats suppose to get 30mpg. Id be all over one but id bet that the price of admittion is close to 50k. Sorry but those prices way out of my realm anymore.
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Not really. GMs Cruze is already on the streets with a 2.0 diesel. Fuel mileage isn't any better than most of the gassers. All that for an additional $4000.00 for the diesel- I doubt they sell many. Considering the Jeep will have the 3.0 diesel in the Cherokee and it gets in the high 20s for fuel mileage, why buy a small car when you can do almost as good with a full size SUV. This is the same 3.0 that will be in the new Dodge 1500 diesel truck. Test mules are busting 30mpgs with them. All are emissions compliant via the PCM controlled automatic transmissions. All of the new small diesels are around the 15:1 compression ratio for more quiet operation and emissions friendly. Seems counterproductive to me but I don't design 'em. Popping the compression to 22:1 would increase efficiency by a lot. You'll probably see guys modding these engines with hyper drive turbos, multi-turbos, or direct drive blowers. Output could go up by 50% or more
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2013, 01:13:45 AM »
they will get good but not AS GOOD. If a 6 speed wasnt more effiecient do you really think that the major car manufactures would have invested good money into putting them into these vehicles. Were actually way behind the time. 6 and 7 speed autos have been in european cars for a while now. Its like empty quiver said. It keeps the engine running in its most effective rpm range better then a 4 speed does. Sure it shifts more. Its suppose to. Its the same reason we have 6 speed sticks now instead of 4 speeds. Even the good old boys at harley decided long ago that 5 and 6 speeds are better then 4.
Loyd:
 A good 4 speed or even five speed with converter lockup and proper gear ratios will get you good fuel economy. It has been done before and I presume some other brands get good milage without 6 speeds or more and operate smoothly.
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