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 Trial begins for George Zimmerman, accused of murdering Florida teen Trayvon Martin  Published June 10, 2013
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The trial for George Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch captain accused of murdering teen Trayvon Martin while on patrol, begins Monday with jury selection.
The February 12, 2012, incident in central Florida sparked a fierce national debate about such issues as gun control, equal justice and race after Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, fatally shot Martin, a black teenager.
 
There is no disputing that Zimmerman fired his 9-mm. handgun after calling police, exiting his pickup truck to follow Martin, then getting into a fight with the 17-year-old on a rainy night inside the gated Retreat at Twin Lakes community.
The 29-year-old Zimmerman, who had a concealed weapon permit, has admitted to shooting Martin in the chest.
But Zimmerman says the teen circled back and attacked him as he walked back to his truck – punching him in the face and slamming the back of his head into the sidewalk.

 
"If there are African-Americans on the jury, they are going to sympathize with Trayvon Martin more."
- Attorney Randy McClean
Photographs taken that night show Zimmerman with a broken nose, bruises and bloody cuts on the back of his head.
The case is expected to last about six weeks. If convicted, Zimmerman faces life in prison.
Prosecutors are expected to argue Zimmerman racially profiled Martin. They also are expected to say he started the fight and was a would-be police officer overstepping his authority as a watch captain, patrolling the Orlando-area community where he and the fiancée of Martin’s father lived.
"The state's narrative is going to be ... Zimmerman was a powerful neighborhood watchman, a wanna-be officer who liked to use his authority," said Randy McClean, a Florida defense attorney.
 
Investigators know Zimmerman was on patrol following a series of break-ins inside the Sanford, Fla., community. And they know  the altercation occurred as Martin, visiting from the Miami area, was returning from a convenience store where had bought Skittles and an iced tea and that he was on a cellphone call to a female friend immediately before the altercation.
But other details and accounts of that night remain in dispute and are expected to be the focal points of the court arguments.
Prosecutors say Zimmerman tracked down Martin and started the fight.
Zimmerman says Martin spotted his gun holstered around his waist and under his clothes and said, "You are going to die tonight."
 
Zimmerman says Martin grabbed the gun first and fired. Martin was shot in the chest at close range and died at the scene.
Under Florida law, a person can lawfully shoot somebody in self-defense to prevent their own death or great bodily harm.
The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that while Zimmerman's actions weren't premeditated, they demonstrated a "depraved mind" that didn't consider the threat his actions had toward human life.
Zimmerman lead attorney Mark O’Mara will need to show his client feared for his life and that race was not a factor in following Martin or shooting the teen, whose head was partially covered by a hoodie. 
"O'Mara's challenge is to show Trayvon wasn't profiled, that Zimmerman either saw something that looked suspicious or something else that caused him to make contact with Trayvon," McClean also said.
 
Zimmerman was well known to police dispatchers for his regular calls to report suspicious people and events and was told that night to stay inside his vehicle.
Few residents have been able to give investigators a good description of what happened, and several offered conflicting accounts of who was on top of whom during the struggle.
But 911 calls made by neighbors captured cries for help during the fight and then the gunshot. Martin's parents say the cries for help were from their son, while Zimmerman's father has testified they were from his son. Voice-recognition experts could play an important role in helping jurors decide who was screaming, provided they are allowed to testify. O'Mara had raised questions about whether such prosecution experts would mislead jurors and Circuit Judge Debra Nelson has yet to rule on his concerns.
 
For days, the Trayvon Martin shooting received no attention beyond some small items in the local news media. Sanford police, after questioning Zimmerman, let him go and local prosecutors chose not to press charges right away.
That changed after Martin's parents hired a prominent civil rights attorney. He began complaining to the news media, accusing the police and prosecutors of letting the murderer of a black child go free, and contacting other civil rights leaders, including Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to get their support.
 
Those events sparked protests in Sanford and around the country, with thousands demanding that Zimmerman be prosecuted. Gov. Rick Scott appointed State Attorney Angela B. Corey from the nearby Jacksonville district to re-examine the case.
Forty-four days after Martin's death, Corey charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder and had him arrested. For the past year, Zimmerman has been free on $1 million bond and living in seclusion. His defense is being paid by private contributions through a website O'Mara set up.
 
O'Mara has decided not to invoke a "stand your ground" hearing in which a judge alone would decide whether to dismiss the case or allow it to proceed to trial.
"This case, in my opinion and in my view of the facts, is a clear, straightforward self-defense case based upon the forensic evidence," he said."
Nelson has already ruled that defense attorneys won't be able to mention Martin's past marijuana use, suspension from school and past fighting during opening statements, though Nelson left open the possibility that the defense could try again later during the trial if it could show relevance.
 
Such a situation could arise if prosecutors attempt to portray Martin as an angelic kid.
Jurors will want to hear from Zimmerman.
"I can't see how he doesn't," said David Hill another Florida defense attorney. "He's the only one who can say `I was scared for my life and here's what happened.’ ”
Another crucial witness will be Martin’s female friend, who was talking with him by cellphone.
She says Martin told her during that conversation that someone was following him and that she also heard a brief exchange between him and someone before the phone was cut off.
Martin was shot shortly afterward. But O'Mara already has called into question her credibility, accusing her of lying about missing Martin's funeral because she was in the hospital.
 
O'Mara said he doubts he will find six jurors and four alternates who haven't heard about the case, but his goal is to find jurors who haven't formed opinions. The judge ruled that potential jurors' identities will stay anonymous in an effort to protect them from harassment and public pressure during the trial. She rejected a defense request to sequester the jury candidates during jury selection.
The defense will have a better chance with the jury if its members are older, more conservative citizens who believe in the right to bear arms, said both Hill and McClean.
"If there are African-Americans on the jury, they are going to sympathize with Trayvon Martin more," McClean said.
 
Prosecutors have refused to comment about the case outside the courtroom, but lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda indicated at a recent hearing he was well aware of the pressures the case's high profile is putting on all parties involved. Reporters from national media groups are attending the trial, and areas outside the courthouse have been designated for expected protests.
"We want to make sure this trial is tried in a courtroom and not outside a courtroom," de la Rionda said.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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A "mock trail" indeed. More a racially motivated "public lynching" to satisfy the black vote, and keep the "community pyros & looters" at bay. This man has no chance, win or lose. Had the perp been white, know one here would have ever heard of this incident.
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A "mock trail" indeed. More a racially motivated "public lynching" to satisfy the black vote, and keep the "community pyros & looters" at bay. This man has no chance, win or lose. Had the perp been white, know one here would have ever heard of this incident.

 
DEE. YEP, well said. He's toast to satisfy the als and jesses and all the rest of the racists. Poor lil trayvon my foot. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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This is a trial that never should have happened and Zimmerman has already been punished for doing nothing but saving himself from either serious injury, or possible death.  Everyone knows that if this had been black on black, it wouldn't have come to this; if it had been brown on brown it wouldn't have come to this and if it had been white on white, it wouldn't have come to this.  Justice is supposed to be blind and for danged sure isn't supposed to be based on skin shade.
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News just showed the poor lil trayvon supporters demonstrating their hatred and referred to his death as being GUNNED DOWN. I hate that term. The media is definitely hoping to hang Zimmerman. Husseins support for poor lil trayvon has really fanned the racial flames, just as he planned. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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The perp is white! ;)
 
Guilty? We'll see..................

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The perp is white! ;)
 
Guilty? We'll see..................


The perp was black and still is, but he's also dead.  The victim also is not white--in my color book.
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HUMMMMM! Truth is you will never know the truth.
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 To begin with there were several witnesses who bore out Zs story til al, jesse, and hussein started running their racist mouths. Witnesses intiminated?? I'm betting so. Let the kangaroo court begin. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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The Perp was not black. The young man who had every right to be where he was and lost his life in that altercation happens to be black.  The armed man on trial , who was told by the dispatcher not to follow and did so anyway set the wheels in motion that ended in a tragedy all the way round.   

One young man unarmed , confronted by one man armed. A confrontation that escalated and a tragedy that all could have been avoided had he done what he was told by the dispatcher and not pursue.

On the surface at present, Guess , I'm on the other side of the fence with this one, with the limited info I have been privy too in the public media. 
Will be interesting to hear what the defense puts forth.


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Armed or not, since when has it been illegal to follow someone...especially someone who acts suspiciously in a neighborhood that had experienced robberies?  I can see where any of us might be caught in a similar senerio.  You've seen a suspect, called the police and don't want the suspect to get away before the police arrive, so you just try to keep the suspect in sight until the police do arrive so you can direct the police to the suspects current location.
Secondly, a dispatcher has absolutely NO authority.  Just to put a reverse spin on that situation, about a year ago in Henderson NC, a boy and his sister, both teenagers, were in thier home alone, when 3 thugs attempted to break in.  The teens called the police and told them what was happening and that the teen boy had his hunting rifle out and ready.  Dispatcher told the boy to PUT THE GUN AWAY.  Luckily the boy had the good since to disobey the dispatcher.  The thugs broke in well before the police arrived.  The boy shot 2 of them, saving both himself and his sister.
Third, Folks try to present the case that Zimmerman was "hunting him down".  That Zimmerman had his gun out stalking the boy. 
First question I would ask is, how many of you are going to try to beat someone with you fist when they already have a gun drawn on you?
I suspect most of you would be like me.  I'd be addressing the man with the gun with "yes sirs and no sirs"!
Though I don't suspect Mr. Martin was real smart, I don't think he's dumb enough to attack a man holding a gun on him either.  Therefore, I conclude Zimmerman's gun was secured on his side as he stated it was.  Zimmerman stated that he did not reach for his gun until Martin had knocked him to the ground and Martin attempted to grab the gun himself. 

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As I said the perp was black and is dead, because he attacked Mr. Zimmerman who had every right to be where he was and doing what he was doing.  The dispatcher had no authority to order Zimmerman to do, or not do anything. 


The only pertinent facts are that Zimmerman was doing what he had a perfect right to be doing and no one has any proof that Zimmerman was not attacked as he claims.  Zimmerman's injuries alone should be enough to convince any fair juror that he was the one who was attacked and that that he had every right to defend himself by any means possible.


It is absolutely obvious that no charges would have ever been brought and no trial would be happening if it hadn't been for the threat of racial violence and political interference.
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If I remember the head cop and head district attorney both quit before arresting . Seems there is/was a law that says before arresting the shooter the police must prove it was not self defense. The entire thing smells bad.
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SOILMAN. Good post Sir, I'd say your asessment is right on the money. Punk jumped the wrong guy. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Lets hope the same is true with Jesse and Sharpton
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Armed or not, since when has it been illegal to follow someone...especially someone who acts suspiciously in a neighborhood that had experienced robberies?  I can see where any of us might be caught in a similar senerio.  You've seen a suspect, called the police and don't want the suspect to get away before the police arrive, so you just try to keep the suspect in sight until the police do arrive so you can direct the police to the suspects current location.
Secondly, a dispatcher has absolutely NO authority.  Just to put a reverse spin on that situation, about a year ago in Henderson NC, a boy and his sister, both teenagers, were in thier home alone, when 3 thugs attempted to break in.  The teens called the police and told them what was happening and that the teen boy had his hunting rifle out and ready.  Dispatcher told the boy to PUT THE GUN AWAY.  Luckily the boy had the good since to disobey the dispatcher.  The thugs broke in well before the police arrived.  The boy shot 2 of them, saving both himself and his sister.
Third, Folks try to present the case that Zimmerman was "hunting him down".  That Zimmerman had his gun out stalking the boy. 
First question I would ask is, how many of you are going to try to beat someone with you fist when they already have a gun drawn on you?
I suspect most of you would be like me.  I'd be addressing the man with the gun with "yes sirs and no sirs"!
Though I don't suspect Mr. Martin was real smart, I don't think he's dumb enough to attack a man holding a gun on him either.  Therefore, I conclude Zimmerman's gun was secured on his side as he stated it was.  Zimmerman stated that he did not reach for his gun until Martin had knocked him to the ground and Martin attempted to grab the gun himself.
Sounds about right. I initially bought the story of Z as vigilante until the news media doctored tapes & the mob started squealing.
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Did someone say Zimmerman was white? How is it the o is black? Is it because that is what the news media can elect and procecute with?

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As I said the perp was black and is dead, because he attacked Mr. Zimmerman who had every right to be where he was and doing what he was doing.  The dispatcher had no authority to order Zimmerman to do, or not do anything. 


And the young man who died had every right to be where he was and doing what he was doing. Zimmerman racially profiled him, followed him , confronted him,  and it escalated from there. Until I see more definitive proof.  Zimmerman was in the wrong from my perspective.

Yopu guys keep calling the dead young man a perp. Perp from what ? What crime did he commit? walking home from the store? Was he perhaps carrying a stolen TV set ? give me a break.

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LOL! I have Jury duty starting tomorrow morning. If I'm picked to sit, I hope I can wait until the evidence from both sides is presented before I make a decision on innocence or guilt. ;)
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HUNTER. If ya don't want to be there just snarl in the defendants direction and ask, why did you do that??
 
 I was only called once, when I was in the hospitol having open heart, EXCUSED. Patty has only been called once and she told the judge that she could not be on a jury because the Bible said that we are not to judge. Yeah I know, but thats really the way she feels, excused. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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I have been called several times got picked once. At the end we were instructed how we had to vote if we felt one way and another if we felt the opposite. None of us agreed really with either so we voted and made our own determination. Then offered our verdict . The defense attorney objected ( threw a fit that got him a contempt of court.  The judge ask if we understood his instructions we did. He then said a jury decision was finial and he had no choice but to pass sentence . What it was a car accident occurred and bot parties were at fault. We were instructed to find in favor of one or the other. We found both guilty od causing the accident and both take care of their own expenses. One had claimed back injury but only the Dr in the same building with his lawyer would agree to it.  The jury felt justice was served. There were a mix of color and sexes on the jury and only one vote was made after a short discussion.
 Our system can work and can still these mock trials.
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I for one hope he's found innocent. Lets the trials and tribulations of the aftermath start. gypsyman
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I for one hope he's found innocent. Lets the trials and tribulations of the aftermath start. gypsyman

 
GYPSYMAN. Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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As I said the perp was black and is dead, because he attacked Mr. Zimmerman who had every right to be where he was and doing what he was doing.  The dispatcher had no authority to order Zimmerman to do, or not do anything. 


And the young man who died had every right to be where he was and doing what he was doing. Zimmerman racially profiled him, followed him , confronted him,  and it escalated from there. Until I see more definitive proof.  Zimmerman was in the wrong from my perspective.

Yopu guys keep calling the dead young man a perp. Perp from what ? What crime did he commit? walking home from the store? Was he perhaps carrying a stolen TV set ? give me a break.

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Perp=perpetrator and that is exactly what the punk was when he jumped on Zimmerman and started bouncing his head off the pavement.  That is the only fact that has been reported that has any bearing on this case.  Whether, or not Zimmerman profiled the punk, or not, is not relevant. 
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I admit I don't have all the facts; however, if Z called 911, was told by the dispatcher not to follow Martin, but he did anyway, and ended up  killing an unarmed person, that can't be good for Z. 
 
Were the police not en route?  Did they not respond to the 911 call?  Did Martin not know they were on their way to handle his complaint?
 
What would a reasonable man have done?  It's your turn for neighborhood patrol.  The same things start happening.  You call the police.  "Don't follow him," they say.  Freeze frame right there.  No, the dispatcher had no authority to issue orders to Zimmerman.  But would not a reasonable person who himself called 911 not be guided by that advice?  His duty as a neighborhood watchman was over.  What ever action he took after that point contrary to staying in his vehicle and not following, has got to be questionable. 
 
I think he'll get a lesser charge conviction.  I personally think he went too far.  Regardless of Martin's race, Zimmerman would be at home eating a taco right now if he'd let the police handle it. 
 
Civilians with a cc permit does not give them authority to enforce the law or to question suspects or to follow suspects.  Zimmerman took that upon himself AFTER being told not to.  It looks bad for him. 

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Mike in VA makes some good points...
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When you walk away no matter how many mistakes you made and the other guy follows you and attacks you don't you still have the right to defend yourself ?
 Had he not turned and walked away he would have been min facing manslaughter for contributing to the fight by confronting the other guy.
 But walking away breaks it off  it ends but the other guy forced the fight at that point with an attack.
 then you have the law in Fl that allows you to protect yourself , is it reverent ?
 
What I think means about as much as nothing but It seems two cocky hot heads met up. Things started bad and went down hill.
 
 
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Yopu guys keep calling the dead young man a perp. Perp from what ? What crime did he commit?
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Last I heard ,,busting someone's nose then getting on top of  them and slamming their head into the pavement is frowned upon!
 

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.  I personally think he went too far.  Regardless of Martin's race, Zimmerman would be at home eating a taco right now if he'd let the police handle it. 
 
Civilians with a cc permit does not give them authority to enforce the law or to question suspects or to follow suspects.  Zimmerman took that upon himself AFTER being told not to.  It looks bad for him.

 
I'm sure all Kitty Genovese's neighbors enjoyed their suppers after doing nothing the night  she was stabbed to death outside their doors.
 

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Zimmerman racially profiled him,

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This is a "thought crime" that simply cannot be proven. It is impossible to prove what someone was thinking as an incident was unfolding.
Hi NSA! Can you see how many fingers I am holding up?