Author Topic: Hail to America's newest HERO!!! (Read 1441 times)

two-blocked · « **on:** May 09, 2013, 09:48:01 AM »

Charles Ramsey!

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yellowtail3 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2013, 10:36:37 AM »

there's a bunch o' peeps trying to trash the guy now.

shame on 'em.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2013, 10:41:00 AM »

The guy did the right thing , how many of those cutting him down would have run away instead of helping ?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2013, 10:43:51 AM »

Besides I know a guy who got convicted of hitting his wife when she went to kick him and he moved and she hurt her leg on a table. At the appeal her own brother testified for the guy. He got the conviction over turned. So how do we really know what happened in his past ?

m-g Willy · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2013, 04:54:50 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on May 10, 2013, 03:02:14 AM

I like Charlie_ _he's got that 'black American prospective' thing down,,,,good thing he was around that day..
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...TM7
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I wonder if he was a felon that can't be trusted with a gun?
(SARCASM MODE OFF)

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2013, 05:07:07 AM »

Quote from: m-g Willy on May 10, 2013, 04:54:50 AM

I wonder if he was a felon that can't be trusted with a gun?
(SARCASM MODE OFF)

could be. lots of felons can be trusted with guns, and are safer than non-felons... but there's the problem of the law.
There are guys who've been convicted on misdemeanor 'domestic violence' who can't have guns, either - many of them white! - who've essentially been screwed over by angry ex-wives, and they system which pro forma hands out those convictions left and right. That system sucks.

arrington · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2013, 05:49:41 AM »

Sometimes the Lord puts us where we need to be to make a huge difference.
Props to this fellow for doing the right thing.

Brett · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2013, 06:26:35 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on May 10, 2013, 05:07:07 AM

Quote from: m-g Willy on May 10, 2013, 04:54:50 AM

I wonder if he was a felon that can't be trusted with a gun?
(SARCASM MODE OFF)
could be. lots of felons can be trusted with guns, and are safer than non-felons... but there's the problem of the law.
There are guys who've been convicted on misdemeanor 'domestic violence' who can't have guns, either - many of them white! - who've essentially been screwed over by angry ex-wives, and they system which pro forma hands out those convictions left and right. That system sucks.

The laws here in NC are such that if a disgruntled ex wife/gf so much as claims you laid a hand on her you are automatically deemed unfit to posses a firearm. No proof, no conviction required, you are SOL based solely on her word.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2013, 06:42:52 AM »

The world needs HERO'S I guess! What Ramsey did was a lot of other people do every day. He went to help someone in distress.He just happened to get involved in something way bigger than he expected. Nothing heroic about what he did. Simply a good act. There's good in everyone.Even people who were convicted of domestic violence

Leave it to the good old media to bring out that piece of information the country just had to know about Ramsey.

If there is a hero here, it's the girl who finally got the courage up to try and escape from her torture. She may have saved not only her life, but the lives of the others.

two-blocked · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2013, 07:39:36 AM »

NW,
What I like about Ramsey is that he agrees with you.

rkeltner · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2013, 08:50:41 AM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on May 10, 2013, 06:42:52 AM

The world needs HERO'S I guess! What Ramsey did was a lot of other people do every day. He went to help someone in distress.He just happened to get involved in something way bigger than he expected. Nothing heroic about what he did. Simply a good act. There's good in everyone.Even people who were convicted of domestic violence Leave it to the good old media to bring out that piece of information the country just had to know about Ramsey. If there is a hero here, it's the girl who finally got the courage up to try and escape from her torture. She may have saved not only her life, but the lives of the others.

I absolutely disagree! most heros are everyday people who are just "doin' what they ought to be doin'" in their everyday lives. they usually never get noticed or praised for their 'heroic' deeds, but they are heros even so. to do what's right when nobody's looking takes a strong sense of commitment to ones values. that is the mark of a hero, recognized or not!

KIMBER45 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2013, 09:06:01 AM »

reinforces the statement " don't judge a book by it's cover."

lakota · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2013, 09:54:12 AM »

It is my understanding that Ramsey was the 3rd or 4th person on the scene and that the other responders who got there first dont speak any english, thus no cameras are being put in thier faces. Ramsey just happens to be the most entertaining of the bunch. If you can find the unedited version of his 911 call listen to it. There is a lot of foul language but it cracks me up how he has to tell a little story about his dinner before he gets to the reason of his call. The only thing he neglected to say was what meal he was eating. He really dropped the ball on that

FPH · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2013, 12:14:29 PM »

Quote from: lakota on May 10, 2013, 09:54:12 AM

It is my understanding that Ramsey was the 3rd or 4th person on the scene and that the other responders who got there first dont speak any english, thus no cameras are being put in thier faces. Ramsey just happens to be the most entertaining of the bunch. If you can find the unedited version of his 911 call listen to it. There is a lot of foul language but it cracks me up how he has to tell a little story about his dinner before he gets to the reason of his call. The only thing he neglected to say was what meal he was eating. He really dropped the ball on that

I'll wait until we get the "facts" ABC reported Ramsey was second on the scene ( a report he counters) and he called the Hispanics that don't speak English "the Dominicans".....imagine the huff the news media would have made if a white guy had said that. I think there is still too much unknown at this time to be labeling anyone a hero.

Casull · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2013, 12:33:35 PM »

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lots of felons can be trusted with guns, and are safer than non-felons...

Really? Any evidence to back up this claim?

Casull · « **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2013, 12:35:50 PM »

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The laws here in NC are such that if a disgruntled ex wife/gf so much as claims you laid a hand on her you are automatically deemed unfit to posses a firearm. No proof, no conviction required, you are SOL based solely on her word.

Only for a few days, until the trial is held. It also does require probable cause first (i.e. evidence or believable testimony from a credible witness).

m-g Willy · « **Reply #16 on:** May 10, 2013, 01:25:50 PM »

Quote from: Casull on May 10, 2013, 12:33:35 PM

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lots of felons can be trusted with guns, and are safer than non-felons...

Really? Any evidence to back up this claim?

G.Gordan Liddy
Osvaldo Hernandez

Casull · « **Reply #17 on:** May 10, 2013, 01:34:01 PM »

m-g Willy, did you forget the second part of that statement? How are they safer than a non-felon? Also, I don't think two men equal "lots".

m-g Willy · « **Reply #18 on:** May 10, 2013, 01:52:52 PM »

Quote from: Casull on May 10, 2013, 01:34:01 PM

m-g Willy, did you forget the second part of that statement? How are they safer than a non-felon? Also, I don't think two men equal "lots".

Second part?
Do you mean felons with guns that are safer than non-felons with guns?
How about the shooter in the CO. theater?
He wasn't a felon.
The Sandyhook shooter wasn't a felon either.

Casull · « **Reply #19 on:** May 10, 2013, 01:56:15 PM »

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How about the shooter in the CO. theater?
He wasn't a felon.
The Sandyhook shooter wasn't a felon either.

Really now? I do believe that when they started shooting, they were felons. Not convicted felons, but definitely felons. Assuming of course that we define a "felon" as someone who commits a felony.

FPH · « **Reply #20 on:** May 10, 2013, 02:56:27 PM »

Apparently, about 63% of felons are rearrested within 3 years and returned to prison. Robbers and Burglers being in the 70 % range. Not the type of population I want to be able to obtain a firearm....legally or illegally.

m-g Willy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 10, 2013, 03:57:51 PM »

Quote from: Casull on May 10, 2013, 01:56:15 PM

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How about the shooter in the CO. theater?
He wasn't a felon.
The Sandyhook shooter wasn't a felon either.
Really now? I do believe that when they started shooting, they were felons. Not convicted felons, but definitely felons. Assuming of course that we define a "felon" as someone who commits a felony.

Really?
Are you serious?

How about, they are not felons until they are convicted in a court of law.

Casull · « **Reply #22 on:** May 10, 2013, 04:53:03 PM »

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Really?
Are you serious?

How about, they are not felons until they are convicted in a court of law.

Not according to Webster. Definition of FELON 1 : one who has committed a felony 2 archaic : villain

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 10, 2013, 09:50:31 PM »

I'm thinking that Casull is in the business of LE or the state apparatus supporting same. I'll be glad to be corrected if I'm wrong.

m-g Willy · « **Reply #24 on:** May 11, 2013, 04:13:56 AM »

Quote from: Casull on May 10, 2013, 04:53:03 PM

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Really?
Are you serious?

How about, they are not felons until they are convicted in a court of law.
Not according to Webster. Definition of FELON 1 : one who has committed a felony 2 archaic : villain

Ok, I'll play along.
With your thinking.
They became felons as soon as they pulled the trigger , and not a second before.
So they would rate as "non-felons" before they started the shooting spree.
So I think YT was right when he stated that there are some felons that are more trust worthy than some non -felons with a gun.
Because they were non-felons when they started shooting!
Only AFTER someone was hit by a bullet did the shooters become felons!
So it was YOUR non-felons that couldn't be trusted with a gun.
You can continue to try to play word games to keep yourself happy ,,but as for me.... I'm done with this silly game .

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #25 on:** May 11, 2013, 04:24:58 AM »

The guy may be a felon, the cool thing I heard about him is that he said- I have a job, and my part of the reward should go to the victoms. Kinda cool if you ask me no matter what he did in the past.
Good on him when out here in CA we now have a fight over the Dorner reward moeny and one guy thinking because he was car jacked by the murderer he should get it all and is sueing because he gets nothing.

FPH · « **Reply #26 on:** May 11, 2013, 04:54:35 AM »

Everyone involved says the reward should go to the ladies. Ramsey is not unique in that thought.

The 1991 Survey of State Prison In-mates found that violent inmates whoused a weapon were more likely to usea handgun than any other weapon;24% of all violent inmates reported thatthey used a handgun. Of all inmates,13% reported carrying a handgunwhen they committed the offense for which they were serving time

Enough to at least take it on a case by case basis.

FPH · « **Reply #27 on:** May 11, 2013, 04:58:11 AM »

it should say 13% of felons are at least carrying a handgun when they recommit a crime for which they have served time.

FPH · « **Reply #28 on:** May 11, 2013, 06:14:14 AM »

http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

Interesting read.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #29 on:** May 11, 2013, 07:09:03 AM »

Quote from: two-blocked on May 10, 2013, 07:39:36 AM

NW,
What I like about Ramsey is that he agrees with you.

I respect him for that, and disrespect the Media for bringing up his past. What in Hell's Bell's does his past felony record have to do with anything?
I'm glad he recognizes what he did was not an act of heroism, but the act of a caring neighbor and human being.

I think we throw the word hero around too often when it doesn't apply.It takes away from the acts of true bravery that some have performed, and not all are capable of.

Example...............Back during WW2 a transport ship was carrying troops, I believe to the European theater, when it was torpedoed by a German sub. There were four Army Chaplains who went down with the ship. These four after seeing soldiers without life jackets, gave theirs to them. They continued to render assistance until the ship sank with them on board. They could have joined the troops in life boats , but chose to die so others could live. If Ramsey was a hero, then what were these four? IMO, these are true hero's. Not just good guy's who did a good thing. They paid the ultimate, and I think reserve the right to be called hero's. I had a friend who served in Korea. He was awarded every medal but the MOA for saving the lives of his fellow soldiers during a battle. He was wounded several times, and could have been out of the fight, but went back out to drag others back to safety who were down. He was a Medic. His wife showed me the medals and the story behind them. I could never get him to talk about what happened.I lost contact with him after he moved many years ago, and I'm not sure he is alive today.

A house on fire, and someone going back into the fire to rescue people over and over risking their own life. This is what hero's are made of. Not just your average nice guy doing something good for someone. Sorry for the rant. I just hate to hear the word hero used so lightly. About as bad as Obama being worthy of the Nobel Prize.