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Offline clum sum

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Bolt togather breech
« on: April 29, 2013, 12:28:54 PM »
Saw a bowling ball mortar with what appered to be a bolt togather breech for sale on Gun Broker, auction 339080166. How safe could this be?
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Re: Bolt togather breech
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 02:35:48 PM »
Hard to say from the photos I can't really see how it is put together yes it has bolts at the breech but what welds etc.? He has a mighty big opinion of this thing with a starting price of only 4,999.00 dollars with a buy it now of 6,999.00 ... I expect we will be seeing this at auction for years to come his wiskers will be well greyed before that thing ever sells.....
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Re: Bolt togather breech
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 03:05:30 PM »
Lets see...I want you to buy my assemblage of junk yard parts for a lot of money and I will show you how some other cannon shoots.  And even that one has bunch of unknown junk flying down range....what is realy scary is the lack of smoke.  I don;t think they are shooting black.

This thing may be perfectly safe, but details are so lacking that it is scary.

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Re: Bolt togather breech
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 04:05:21 PM »
Historically the more parts there are to an artillery breech assembly, the more missles there are when the damn thing comes apart. Obviously stellite materials and government patterns are normally excepted. A well designed interrupted screw breech is normally beyond the ability of the home shop.
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Re: Bolt togather breech
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 05:35:20 PM »
It isn't too hard to calculate what the static equivalent force on each bolt would be in lbs, then the stress in psi, if you start with an assumed maximum chamber pressure, let's say 10,000 psi just for illustration.  Multiply it by the area of the "cap" inside that's exposed to that pressure, for bowling ball bore dia., somewhere around 60 square inches, so total instantaneous force on the cap is 600,000 lbs. when fired.  Just divide that by the number of bolts and you get the average force tending to pull each bolt apart lengthwise.  Divide that by the cross-sectional area of a bolt and you have the stress in PSI on each bolt, average.  Compare that to the rating of  whatever grade bolt he's using.  That isn't a precise method but if the stress that one shot puts on a bolt is way over its design tensile strength, you are asking for trouble either on the first shot or a few shots later...
A failure may not be as lethal as a tube actually bursting, but any rupture of the system at ballistic pressures is bound to be dramatic if not dangerous to bystanders.

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Re: Bolt togather breech
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 05:12:09 PM »
In Class B display fireworks we shoot heavier shells out of guns lighter than this.
However we do bury the guns and fire remotely as a safety measure. The Germans in WW1
had a series of mortars made of wood, 9.5, 11.5, and 14 inch bore, the end plug was held on
with straps and screws. Remember this was during a war, light shells, very coarse powders,
about 1/4 inch windage kept pressures low, and they were time fuse fired.