Loosing faith/patience

[squirrelslayer]

I know there's better places to rant but you guys seem to be the ones I'd rather do it to. Is anyone else fed up with people gouging over this frenzy? Local gun shows are packed with people selling 550 rnd boxes of 22lr for 90+ dollars! People listing small rifle primers on craigslist for 100+$ a case! I've personally lost interest in a few gun shops locally who are ridiculously raising their prices and I feel "taking advantage" of this situation. I found a local lumber supply that sells 22lr and stuff as well and showed up 5 min after opening to see a guy coming out with two grocery sacks of cci 22lr ammo and all I could muster was a disgusted "seriously?" Lady inside says he does it every week. And locally the jr. rifle club is playing hell keeping enough ammo around to stay busy. Advanced junior shooters going back to air rifles to stay sharp. Every trip to sportsman's is filled with run-ins with guys in the reloading isles asking why they don't have any gun powder with a cart stacked full of a press, scale, load blocks and usually an opened reloading manual off the shelf in the area reserved for the wife's purse or little ones to ride. All I can think is, "you're the reason why!!!" I'm at the end of my rope. Half a dozen guys at work who have gobbled up copious amounts of .22 cal bullets and powder and primers yet have never loaded ammo or felt the need to stockpile before. I just can't stand it any more! I guess we'll just have to ride it out and hope that the pay off in the long run is that ebay craigslist and bulletin boards all over will be spilling over with un-used reloading equip that we already have.

[rfd]

and this is just the beginning ... wait 'til all those "new and improved" gun laws hit the books and streets .....

[Couger]

 
Hey buddy, RELAX!  Really ..... just relax. 
 
I think you're way ahead of the game, quite honestly.  And I mean that!
 
I haven't attended a gunshow since the first of January, so I haven't seen the prices for 22's and primers you're talking about, although my last 1,000 primers I paid $43 for, but they were Remington 6 1/2's (for rds like the Hornets, .218 Bee, .221, etc) which were special ordered anyway.
 
Several thoghts swarm though my mind.
 
Exactly how much longer will Obastid push and seperate the groups of We The People?  And push all his vindictive shanagans!  Deliberately hurting the republic?  (I firmly believe)
 
What's Dingie Harry Reed and Congreff (senate specifcally) gonna keep mucking with?
 
Will most of the Republicrats finally grow a pair? and defend whats left of the Constitution?
 
This weekend the demoncraps in the senate voted to dis-honor Margaret Thatcher by NOT honoring her!
 
And the lefties do a "John McLame" (like he often does to Conservative republicans and independents) by sticking their thumb in the right-aisle's eyes with that traitorous bwitch Hanoi Jane lining up to play Nancy Reagan in a new film to be made!?  While Nancy's still alive?  Yeah sure thats not a slight and a dig!
 
But the ammo gougers?
 
I think many of them will loose their shirts eventually.  Some might make some short term gains with their high prices, but many of them I think will only reap much if the USA falls into a depression and they have to barter those items.  Do I know for sure?  No I don't.
 
But neither do they!!
 
Those greedy bastids you mentioned, I wonder how many are simply dumb and stupid as they googoo-eye themselves about the [excessive] profits most have not seen yet? 
 
My gun club BTW, is also having trouble finding enough ammo for youth shoots and training, and even for handgun safety-range-work for those classes!
 
But loosing faith and patience?  We have 3 more years of this black sonuvabeeotch to contend with, and whatever else might happen in the world (and not just the U.S).
 
Here we are still waiting for the "truth" to come out about Fast-N-Furious and the 2 agents killed there, along with Benghasi and the four killed there.  Never mind what their families are struggling with!  As the black-bastid, his witch and kids take MULTIPLE expensive vacations all over the world!
 
Speaking of bullets, have you got your collection of bullet molds bought and stored?  with enough lead to last awhile?  If NO, strongly consider doing so!  And collecting ample brass, esp in .38Spl, .357Mag, 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, .223, .308W and .30-06 and 12ga.  Methinks those are the #1 choices for the preppers as well as LE departments and militias.
 
As for primers, its hard to substitute Large Pistol for Large Rifle or visa versa, but far easier to substitute Small Pistol/SPMagnum for use in the Small Rifle rounds.
 
For AR's or FAL's I prefer the CCI type #41 or #34 type-milspec-primers (specifcally made for those rifle-types),
 
but I could see getting by with BR2's in all my .308/.3006 class rounds in my Handis and hunting guns,
 
and the BR4 or even the SmallPistolMag 550's in ALL my handgun rounds, but also in the .223, .218 Bee, .221FB and even the .357Maxi if I have no SRMag caps! 
 
I don't shoot the .45ACP, but if I did I'd bust my butt to stock a couple thousand .45 brass that have Small Pistol primer pockets!
 
Of course for what I'm advocating with the mismatched-primers
powder levels need to be checked and adjusted,
and checked again,
and AGAIN!
 
I don't know if I've helped, but I'm going to pretend I'm a 'grey man,' never drawing undue attention to myself (from authorities, neighbors, fellow employees, church memebers, etc.), and just stay observant and vigilent!
 
If you're religious, by all means (literally even) stay close to God and His Spirit, remembering to pray daily and often.
 
Good luck and God Speed to the Republic, and all of us! 

[Plenty Coups]

It isn't about the politics or President Obama. The world is becoming ruled by the rich elite. They own the banks,food supplies, access to health and health care and even to some extent our water. We have become a nation of sheeple and follow what one side or the other says we should. They pit us against ourselves and the hoarding of things is but one tiny cog in their plan to control us. Be aware of what you have and what they want to take or control(not the repukes nor the demacraps nor the libratoads but the extreme wealthy elite). Use it wisely and LISTEN to others on how they use theirs and adjust accordingly. We CAN get through this.

[Ranger99]

not trying to start a fuss, but the
world has always been ruled by
the rich and elite throughout
recorded history. i'm not saying
it's right, just that it's the way
it was/ is / will be.


us "peasants" that make it will
follow the ant, and not be grasshoppers.

[squirrelslayer]

Well I wasn't event trying to get this far into it. Just simply sick of all the ridiculous mark ups and unnecessary hoarding of ammo. Seriously, who's "making a stand" with .22lr and low base bird shot shot shells?

[PineyCreek22]

We have looked the enemy in the face and he is us.  Piney Creek

[gendoc]

We have looked the enemy in the face and he is us.  Piney Creek

WELL PUT   PC............

[cjrjck]

 This run on ammo and black guns is a good thing for an industry that has struggled in recent years and exactly what the current administration doesn't want. Gun and ammo makers are producing as fast as they can and hiring new workers for the first time in a long time. They will catch up to demand soon. Let's support them by buying as much as we can. As for shops that price gouge, that is their prerogative assuming they are indeed not just passing along higher prices they paid, however, we can choose not to purchase from those shops that take advantage of this supply shortage just like I choose not to buy a Chevy or Chrysler product since they took a ton of the tax payer's hard earned money.
 

[vabeachman]

Well come hunting season, if anyone needs any ammo I will share some of mine.  I don' have much, but plenty for my hunting needs.  This all reminds me of when we get hurricane warnings and how people stockpile for the end of the world.  So let me know if I can help anyone out come hunting season.  Right now I can let 10 rounds of 12ga turkey loads go, gotta save some for next week.  I don't have a 22 but have about 30 rounds of it.  If you truly need it, I will let you have it.  I think many of the hoarders are going to have eat their ammo.

[kennyd]

Why don't those stores limit amounts?  WM does, if and when anything comes in.  Make it known that they  need to take care of ALL the regular customers.  One WM guy thinks the guys lining up work for the government, and are keeping supplies bought up.  I do know I can't be waiting at the door because I work for a living.  This guy also thinks HSA will dump all the ammo, putting the hurt on all the makers.  I think they will deep 6 it before they let any of us have even one box of .22 or any unshredded brass.


I am fixed for moderate plinking, and all hunting for life, and probably will still have some stuff left for the grandkids.  What I can't do right now is get in a lot of practice, or let the kids shoot to their hearts content.  An old Daisy seems to be a better option as a trainer every day; that and finding some arrows, a new finger tab, and stuff for the bow.

[nw_hunter]

Folks! While we have greedy people hoarding and scalping people, and taking advantage of the ammo shortage, the real problem is this...........There is little or NO ammo making it to the retailers shelf's. WHY?
You cannot buy something that doesn't exist. Some of the retailers had larger supplies in their warehouses than others, but even the giant Walmart is telling it's store Mgrs the ammo is no longer in the warehouse to order from.My local discount store Mgr told me, they are no longer receiving any ammo or shooting supplies. Now! We know the ammo manufacturers  are making it around the clock..........So where is it going if not to distributors? Shouldn't be to difficult to figure this out.

[Sourdough]

The gun stores here have limited the sale of ARs and Ammo.  When the rush first hit they noticed five guys coming into Sportsman's and buying all the ARs on the day the6y came in.  After two weeks of this they started a drawing.  No ARs sold through the week.  On Saturday tthose people interested came in and signed up.  Then at 2PM they had a drawing for the guns.  The high selling ammo they put in Customer Service, and limited sales to two boxes a day.  It worked, people quite rushing to Sportsman's on shipment days, and grabbing up everything.   

[Winter Hawk]

I was getting down on powder the other day and finally found one small gun shop which had some IMR 4064.  I zipped up there and picked up two pounds; sticker shock hit when they charged me $30 per can!  I have plenty of black powder so will probably be using the flintlock a whole lot more....  The "big" gun store in our area is out of everything, and told me that .22s are going for over $100 for a brick, if you can find any.  Crazy!

-WH-

[cjrjck]

DHS or whichever agency some think might be buying up all the ammo for whatever reason have bigger problems than worrying about putting ammo makers out of business. Most are talking about furloughing employees because of budget issues.

[Graybeard]

Gun and ammo makers are producing as fast as they can and hiring new workers for the first time in a long time.

I can't share your optimism in this matter. I've made a habit of checking for guns, ammo and reloading components online at dozens of bit online retailers and all they have is OUT OF STOCK posted. Hardly anyone is accepting back orders anymore as they really have no confidence of stock coming in or that prices will be what they think once it does.

On the few sites that are actually predicted when they "might" have stock about the most optimistic are showing October or later and most have now been pushed out until spring of 2014. Yeah that's right the big distributors are now assuming it will be another 12 months or more before stock comes in.

WHY? If all our gun, ammo and component makers were running wide open it should have already flooded the market. Nope I'm convinced something larger than we know about is happening. I don't know what it is but I sure know who I think is to blame and yeah it's DHS.

Rimfire ammo is among the most scarce out there and so far as I know the factories where rimfire ammo is made that's all they make in that area so it's not that they are turning out centerfire or shotgun ammo. Stores just aren't getting any rimfire and none is available online so far as I can tell at least not at stores. I don't do fleabay so have no clue what's there.

[nw_hunter]

DHS or whichever agency some think might be buying up all the ammo for whatever reason have bigger problems than worrying about putting ammo makers out of business. Most are talking about furloughing employees because of budget issues.

Yea! They have bigger problems. It's called crowd control.

I don't think the objective is to put the ammo makers out of business......Just decide WHO they sell to.If you can't get the guns over night, what's the next best thing? Could it be ammo? Ask yourself this..........If the ammo makers are producing around the clock and very little to ZERO is making it's way to the retailer. Where is it going?Why can't you even buy primers and other components to reload?
 It's still being made. Why can't we get it? I think by now most know the answer, but some are afraid to admit it or speak of it.

[Old Fart]

I don't usually put a lot of weight into remarks made on the internet.
But about a year ago someone on this very forum said you should stock up on ammo & reloading components because something was going to happen in the next 6 months to make them hard to find. I don't recall who it was or the reason for the warning. I wonder how many took that advice as it seems to be spot on. Of course if we went back and searched the forum we would probably find a ton of these same remarks... I guess if you predict the world is going to end eventually you would be right.
 
What I have seen is guns & ammo dried up incredibaly fast. Followed by components selling out. There was a healthy supply of these things right up until here shortly.

[vabeachman]

Went out today and picked up some 17 HMR.  Theasins had a good selection of shotgun ammo and rifle ammo, even 308, no 223.  Gander Mountain had a lots of 7.62x54R FMJ, shotgun ammo, and a good selection of rifle ammo.  No 22 RF.

[cjrjck]

Gun and ammo makers are producing as fast as they can and hiring new workers for the first time in a long time.

I can't share your optimism in this matter.

WHY? If all our gun, ammo and component makers were running wide open it should have already flooded the market. Nope I'm convinced something larger than we know about is happening. I don't know what it is but I sure know who I think is to blame and yeah it's DHS.

I pray that isn't the case. For the current adminstrtation to do something so politically underhanded would be the last straw for a lot of folks.

[squirrelslayer]

Well who knows where it's all going or how much is or isn't being made but one way or another its downright upsetting. I've gotten quite a few rounds loaded up and am ready for squirrel season. But I have very little 22lr and to see these people stocking up and selling it for upwards of 100$ a brick I don't know who to be pissed off at. The guys selling it or the ones paying for it!

[SHOOTALL]

For years , back to the 70's a magazine named American Survival Guide ( who some say the govt. put out of business ) predicted 22 RF ammo would take the place of money in a crisis.  Other magazines , TV shows etc. also claim this.
Today many are saying the OHCA will cause a finical crisis maybe as early as this Fall.
 Add to those two thoughts GRAY BEARDS post on how 22 LR ammo is produced and where .
 you might have the pieces of the puzzle.
 I would also ask where is the imported ammo ?

[m-g Willy]

I heard Winchester just opened a new plant and the ammo shortage is going end by the 3rd. quarter of 2013.
Bummer for all the high dollar horders if it is true!
 

[vabeachman]

I've been told the plant is already up but not yet running at full production.  Heard it is mostly for centerfire.

[williamlayton]

This is what PANIC get you.
Hang tight---I believe this too shall pass.
I notice that folks that want to be illegal seem to get the ammo to be illegal.
Blessings

[SHOOTALL]

hold on and be ready to buy ammo for 25 cent on the dollar when it comes back to the stores and all those who got on credit have to pay the bill. Same as Y2K

[Ranger99]

fine with me.
just desserts for the hoarders
and grabbers.
bought a couple of years worth of
hunting supplies after "Y2K" for
me and hunting buds, and the folks
that had bought it took it on the chin
and went back to sticking their heads
in the sand. same folks that push and
shove and buy up all the batteries and
toilet paper when we have a tornado
here.

[Dixie Dude]

Obama, by executive order, can restrict imported Ammo. 
 
However, I've heard because of the Ammo shortage in America, Europeans are now starting to have ammo shortages. 
 
I've heard you can flatten out the dimple created in the primers by takeing them apart.  One can cut out old child's caps from cap guns and stack them in the primer and rebuild it.  Said the firing pin should set off the caps which should set off powder.  Also, black powder is easier to ignite than Pyrodex or smokeless powder.  Using caps, black powder, and lead bullets one might could get by.  I think I might try it. 
 
I have tried resizing steel cased 45 acp ammo, not the lacquer coated, but the zinc plated.  It will resize with a lot of lub.  Might try other straight walled cases.  This might help with brass shortages.  However, still need primers. 

[magooch]

Everything is all about timing and planning.  I bought enough ammo to last several lifetimes, years ago whenever there were good sales; the same with guns.  I figured someday the commies would push us too far and we'd need the means to clean things up.  Let me know when the cleanup begins.

[Bayway]

Dang, I was saving up all my stuff for the zombies.