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Little island of Cyprus ...
« on: March 22, 2013, 02:09:35 PM »
  From what I've read, the problems in Cyprus could have long reaching effects.
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 02:20:44 PM »
At the risk of being accused of using this as a aegue to bashing barry. I'll bet he is seeing this and saying "they can do that hmmmmmmm............."
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2013, 02:37:59 PM »
  I think one of the scary lessons being taught here is that the banks\gov\the fed, sees that they can easily collapse an economy simply by coming up with a reason to close the banks for awhile. When they re-open, folks will make a run on the banks, sending the economy into instant collapse.

OS, I have no doubt that the O admin is watching closely.  :-\
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2013, 02:41:49 PM »
  Some are now wondering if destruction of the USA isn't his aim...
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2013, 02:46:18 PM »
  Some are now wondering if destruction of the USA isn't his aim...

 Oh I figured that WAY before he ever got elected the first time :)

  I DO think he wants to "change" us a bit more before he goes away and the reason cyprus plays into the equation may be by politically motivated choice,,I'm afraid that disasters like cyprus may become a good excuse for more "change" here at home. Guess we'll watch as it all plays out..might want to pull some cash out..on monday  :o
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2013, 04:08:54 AM »
That is why Apple is sitting on a whole big pile of money and a lot of it is offshore.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2013, 04:14:59 AM »
I don't believe I would make a point of pissing off a bunch of Russians hiding money on my island. Those fellas have a reputation of taking matters into their own hands.
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2013, 02:38:40 AM »
 
  Not sure where this going either. One thing , maybe means nothing. But the Northern part of the island of Cyprus is Turkish . There was a partition some years ago. My question is ,how does this fact effect the Greek Cypriot problem ?

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 05:53:47 AM »
They could all pack up and go back to Greece and leave the whole island to Turkey.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 07:36:26 AM »
 The trouble we seen in Cyprus seems distant to us here. Same with Italy and Portugal, spain and Greece. The problem is that we ourselves here in the U.S. are dealing with a similar issue in the not so distant future. The questionis twofold, how will the eventual failure of the Euro affect us here, and how will our own government deal with our increasing debt, to keep us from having a similar collapse.

 The lessons being taught in Cyprus will undoubtable be ignored by government, so we as individuals should prepare in whatever way to protect ourselves from the eventuality of the banks being closed\looted. Seems it would be wise to not have all our eggs in that basket. Grandma's money in the mason jars makes all the sense in the world suddenly.

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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2013, 08:16:30 AM »
They started years ago with Social Security. There was enough to keep them happy, raise tax's some more, borrow from other country's. Run our debt up. We, the people are enabling them. We should have put our foot down 20+ years ago. We, the people of this country, haven't done enough, but bitch to each other about whats going on. Be like giving your 14 year old son or daughter a couple beers, wine when they are 16-17, and wonder why at 21 they are full blown alcoholics drinking a 1/5 or 2 a day of whiskey or gin. We've let it go to long. We, the people of this country will have to fix this. It will be a nasty intervention, as the tv doctors like to call it. I seen my dad go thru the DT's once. It wasn't pretty. This country will be much worse. gypsyman
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2013, 08:37:30 AM »
the largest problem in this country is more than half of the voters are on the public teat. They will continue to vote for those who promise to continue "berad and circuses" as the Romans phrased it.  In this country the "bread and circuses" is in the form of public assistance and mindless TV show. So long as the welfare checks keep coming the mindless masses will support those who promise the "entitlements" to continue. Those who actually work for a living are greatly outnumbered.
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2013, 09:06:08 AM »
the largest problem in this country is more than half of the voters are on the public teat. They will continue to vote for those who promise to continue "berad and circuses" as the Romans phrased it.  In this country the "bread and circuses" is in the form of public assistance and mindless TV show. So long as the welfare checks keep coming the mindless masses will support those who promise the "entitlements" to continue. Those who actually work for a living are greatly outnumbered.

  I agree SA, this is the way the admin got in, and how they've stayed in. I also think that we've been so flooded by peoples who wern't born under our Constitution and who don't realize its value. Between the foreign invasion and the "berad and circuses" , I think we're on a downhill slide that will mimic what we're seeing in european nations.

 In order to not be those in gov't lines to get my cheese, I see now more than ever how important it is to not be dependant on Gov nor their institutions. I can only imagine what the reactions of the American people would be to wake up and find out the banks are closed. Guess that's just what we were facing before the Bailout. We were closer than we knew. We are more fragile than we think.  J
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2013, 03:47:54 AM »
Money in a cookie jar isn't helping you one tiny bit IF the Govt. prints different new paper money so instead of a green US $ you will see a NUS $ (New US Dollar issues) and the old stuff is worthless or you can swap it in for $100 old gets you $1 new. This isn't the first time this sort of thing has been done in other countries, although the exchange rate may be different.
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2013, 05:55:07 AM »
What's happening in Cyprus is pale in comparison to what will happen in the USA when they get around to it
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Nah, I think it will only be the difference between who's ox is being gored. The poor will still be hurt physically and the rich financially. Those in the middle will get it at both ends, hungry and worse off financially.


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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2013, 09:03:50 AM »
 
  The reasons that the crises in Cyprus as well as Europe is already on our doorstep is that our Banks have purchased and continued to hold billions of dollars of bonds issued by these countries, promising to pay ultra high interest rates.  If these countries default on their bonds (i.e, can't pay them as and when due), then the bonds become worthless and our Banks have to write them down to zero value on their balance sheets, resulting in our Banks becoming balance sheet insolvent.  (i.e., their liabilities on their balance sheet exceed their debt).  When this happens, they are required by law to be closeddown  by the Federal Reserve, and the Fed is only responsible for paying out to the account holders the federally insured portion of their accounts.
 
    As far as the long term effects of redistributing money, a wise man once said that you could take all of the money on the planet, divide it up equally among all of the people on the earth, and in ten years, it would basically all be back in the same hands that it started in. 
 
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2013, 04:05:31 PM »
 That's it Manny, as I understand it too great post. And I  agree with TM7, those who hold the precious metals can transfer, with great exchange rates, against any new currency. Those who are buying these metals, be they private or government, is doing so in preparation for either the crash of a currency(ours) and the rise of a new one. Those holding the wealth will rule the world.

 BBF I agree with you 100%, money in a cookie jar is worthless. Turning that worthless money into actual commodities is the way to go and I marvel everytime I exchange paper money for silver or even guns and ammo, thinking to myself "look what I got for that worthless money". I never used to doubt our currency but now have little faith in it.

 I'll bet there are some folks in Cyprus who had little funds in the bank, relying on assets instead as their investments. Bet they're pretty happy with that decision right now. J
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2013, 05:18:42 AM »
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 I'll bet there are some folks in Cyprus who had little funds in the bank, relying on assets instead as their investments. Bet they're pretty happy with that decision right now. J

What sort of assets are you writing about?
 
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2013, 09:25:19 AM »
When the world stops using american currancy for world trading and go to another currancy then we will be in a world of hurt. No amount of printing money will pay off the debt. That govt. teat will dry up and half of America will be looking for a wet nurse that won't exist.
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Re: Little island of Cyprus ...
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2013, 02:20:12 AM »
If Cyprus really IS where the Russian mafia launder their money, this is a self solving problem...
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2013, 03:05:37 AM »
Another angle is what if this is only a test bed to see what the public reaction would be to this ?
Sorta like Waco, i mean this is becoming a NWO with a global economy .
Mindset : Enact this on an island economy somewhere to see what the effects are where the
population is isolated from any border transactions or contact .
Get a feel for what the rest of the world says about it and it would also expose any attempted loop
holes that could be exploited. Next step would be to have the same thing happen in a country that
is landlocked and surrounded by its borders .

Jiggle the books a little differently in order to accommodate any unforeseen attempts to remedy the
problem before you try it on an even larger economic situation . Many county's once had a population
that once had the right to bear arms . Although gun bans have been effective not all these weapons
were turned in during amnesty programs or by laws designed to eliminate them .
The main focus would be to first eliminate the populations ability to defend themselves or change
this course of events . Ammunition availability would be the first choice in doing this .
What ammunition is out there would be rapidly exposed as to its whereabouts during an economic
disaster of this magnitude . Have your internal LE and military involvement focus only on your
needed infrastructure and let the rest play out within the affected population .

That population after years of cultural indifference and government racial preferences would quickly
start to fold among itself as needed resources begin to dry up. After that it would only be a matter of going in and mopping up what is left . Then enforce your martial law as the only thing you could do to restore order. After a short time of self inflicted chaos your population would welcome anything you could do to reinstate order and supply their needs . Including turning in their weapons for the good of the whole, food and medicine for weapons and ammunition . Holdouts would quickly be exposed .
 

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2013, 03:15:52 AM »
what if it's just a small country that depended on tourism ?
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2013, 03:59:45 AM »
What tourist are going to go to a country whose economy is on the verge of collapse and their banking system is doing something like this?The general population did not have the necessary ability to get
access to the funds needed to even foster any tourist trade .
And you can bet the local LE was in a state of high alert . Any tourist would have a target on their
back as a means by robbery to get some cash off of .

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2013, 08:36:13 AM »
before the trouble started
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2013, 01:47:55 PM »
Another angle is what if this is only a test bed to see what the public reaction would be to this ?
Sorta like Waco, i mean this is becoming a NWO with a global economy .
Mindset : Enact this on an island economy somewhere to see what the effects are where the
population is isolated from any border transactions or contact .
Get a feel for what the rest of the world says about it and it would also expose any attempted loop
holes that could be exploited. Next step would be to have the same thing happen in a country that
is landlocked and surrounded by its borders .

Jiggle the books a little differently in order to accommodate any unforeseen attempts to remedy the
problem before you try it on an even larger economic situation . Many county's once had a population
that once had the right to bear arms . Although gun bans have been effective not all these weapons
were turned in during amnesty programs or by laws designed to eliminate them .
The main focus would be to first eliminate the populations ability to defend themselves or change
this course of events . Ammunition availability would be the first choice in doing this .
What ammunition is out there would be rapidly exposed as to its whereabouts during an economic
disaster of this magnitude . Have your internal LE and military involvement focus only on your
needed infrastructure and let the rest play out within the affected population .

That population after years of cultural indifference and government racial preferences would quickly
start to fold among itself as needed resources begin to dry up. After that it would only be a matter of going in and mopping up what is left . Then enforce your martial law as the only thing you could do to restore order. After a short time of self inflicted chaos your population would welcome anything you could do to reinstate order and supply their needs . Including turning in their weapons for the good of the whole, food and medicine for weapons and ammunition . Holdouts would quickly be exposed .
 


 why you gotta go  :o scarin everybody  ;D

 Your scenarios play out like a good fiction novel and much as i hate to say it, few on these threads would deny the possibility of any of it. I feel sure that there are American politicians and their handlers(to borrow a good term) taking close note of the publics reaction. their findings might not help them to compare closely however as i noted almost all in Cyprus seemed middle\upper class, here in the U.S. our cities would simpy revolt in a days time of similar treatment. Maybe by the time it occurs here, those on the public dole will all operate off gubment supplied "debit" cards and really will have little to no use for a bank account anyways. only those wage earners would need bank accounts and as those are the only folks able to sock anything away, they would be the only ones targeted. Then, since the "poor" would be the only ones able to use funds, the playing field would get levelled in a way it would be hard to imagine.  ???  now i better quit lest my thread get bumped over into the conspiracy theory section.

 Seemed like those folks being interviewed over in Cyprus were taking the whole thing pretty well.  j

 
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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2013, 05:02:00 AM »
real life is stranger than fiction
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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2013, 09:48:54 AM »
Do people on welfare have bank accounts ?
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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2013, 06:37:44 AM »
Do people on welfare have bank accounts ?

Of course, that is where the Govt. Cheques get deposited. ;)
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2013, 07:35:10 AM »
learn something everyday  ::)
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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2013, 06:14:01 AM »
learn something everyday  ::)

Was that to my post?
 
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