Tenth Anniversary of Pretending There Was Reason to Invade Iraq

[two-blocked]

Cheney Marks Tenth Anniversary of Pretending There Was Reason to Invade Iraq

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/03/cheney-marks-tenth-anniversary-of-pretending-there-was-reason-to-invade-iraq.html#ixzz2O34WqBX5

[gypsyman]

2-blocked, thought you were serious with the headline. Had to read the article to find out you were joshing. Good one gypsyman

[two-blocked]

Seriously:
 
Iraq War Anniversary Finds Republicans Regretful, Seeking A Path Forward
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/iraq-war-republicans_n_2897245.html

[gypsyman]

Ya think if old S.Hussein would have let the UN inspectors in in the 90's, proved he didn't have any WMD's, he'd probably be alive today? Bush/Cheney/Clintons/Blair, and the rest of the war mob that started this, would not have had a reason to start this war. gypsyman

[magooch]

Some of you can spin it any way you like, but at least that engagement was approved by Congress and that's a heck of a lot more than What has obtained for the idiot in charge right now.  And for that matter, why not look back at what Clinton had us engaged in, or we could go back to Korea and wonder what the heck we were doing there.  Our history is rife with wars and military actions that were later questioned, but seemed like the thing to do at the time.


What you conveniently forget is that Saddam Hussein had 8 months to call the whole thing off and he flat out refused.  You also seem to forget what a bad actor he and his two sons were.  I'll guarantee you that one way, or another we would have ended up having to deal with that regime in a decisive manner.  I'll also guarantee you that if George Bush had failed to take action, the Dumycrats would have been all over him for backing down and allowing that horrible regime to continue.  Remember it was the Dumycrats who were most insistent that Hussein be taken out--right up until George Bush became President.


Like I said, some of you can spin all you like, but we were there and saw it all happen, so try to change history if you like but it won't work and it won't really change anything.  The world is a much better place without Saddam Hussein and his sons.  The first George Bush should have taken them out when he had the chance.  Israel should have taken him out for the rocket attacks on them. 


My only regret about the whole thing is that GWB  didn't allow our Air Force, or Navy to finish the job instead of sending in the ground troops.  It could have been all over in a couple of days.


It doesn't matter now, but I gladly join in celebrating the end of Saddam Hussein and his evil sons.


What else have you got?

[lakota]

Are you keeping track of anniversaries related to a "nobel peace prize" winning president pretending there is still a reason to stay in Iraq?
Why are you anti war leftists so queit now that a democrat has been in charge of those same war for a good number of years?

[vabeachman]

Got to agree with TM7.  Saw the tape from the first Iraq war where our ambassador gave Saddam the go ahead to invade Kuwait over the oil field dispute on the border,  the oil field was 90 plus percent in Iraq but the Kuwaitis were pumping most of the oil out of it.  He was our ally for many years.  The UN inspections after the war never really did not find much evidence of WMDs.  He met a timeline for submission of a document concerning WMDs.  Halliburton, Dick's company, got a no bid contract for providing services needed during the second Iraq.  I feel bad not only for the hundred of thousand of people who were killed or maimed in the Iraq war, but also for the four conspirators who lost sight and are probably doomed to eternal damnation. 

[SHOOTALL]

FDR did more to get us to enter WW2 and many feel he was a hero .

[vabeachman]

not me

[SHOOTALL]

not me

agreed 

[nw_hunter]

Are you keeping track of anniversaries related to a "nobel peace prize" winning president pretending there is still a reason to stay in Iraq?
Why are you anti war leftists so queit now that a democrat has been in charge of those same war for a good number of years?

What I find puzzling is..........Both leftist and rightist keep quiet when their people are exposed. That is the problem and the reason we find ourselves in the mess we're in.Each side wants to blame the other and refuse to lay the blame on all

[garbhead]

 Mar 18, 2013 The Last Letter A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran
To: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney
From: Tomas Young
I write this letter on the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War on behalf of my fellow Iraq War veterans. I write this letter on behalf of the 4,488 soldiers and Marines who died in Iraq. I write this letter on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of veterans who have been wounded and on behalf of those whose wounds, physical and psychological, have destroyed their lives. I am one of those gravely wounded. I was paralyzed in an insurgent ambush in 2004 in Sadr City. My life is coming to an end. I am living under hospice care.
I write this letter on behalf of husbands and wives who have lost spouses, on behalf of children who have lost a parent, on behalf of the fathers and mothers who have lost sons and daughters and on behalf of those who care for the many thousands of my fellow veterans who have brain injuries. I write this letter on behalf of those veterans whose trauma and self-revulsion for what they have witnessed, endured and done in Iraq have led to suicide and on behalf of the active-duty soldiers and Marines who commit, on average, a suicide a day. I write this letter on behalf of the some 1 million Iraqi dead and on behalf of the countless Iraqi wounded. I write this letter on behalf of us all—the human detritus your war has left behind, those who will spend their lives in unending pain and grief.
 

>You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.

I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.
Your positions of authority, your millions of dollars of personal wealth, your public relations consultants, your privilege and your power cannot mask the hollowness of your character. You sent us to fight and die in Iraq after you, Mr. Cheney, dodged the draft in Vietnam, and you, Mr. Bush, went AWOL from your National Guard unit. Your cowardice and selfishness were established decades ago. You were not willing to risk yourselves for our nation but you sent hundreds of thousands of young men and women to be sacrificed in a senseless war with no more thought than it takes to put out the garbage.
I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level—moral, strategic, military and economic—Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences.
  I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love. I would not have to lie in my bed, my body filled with painkillers, my life ebbing away, and deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands of human beings, including children, including myself, were sacrificed by you for little more than the greed of oil companies, for your alliance with the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia, and your insane visions of empire.
I have, like many other disabled veterans, suffered from the inadequate and often inept care provided by the Veterans Administration. I have, like many other disabled veterans, come to realize that our mental and physical wounds are of no interest to you, perhaps of no interest to any politician. We were used. We were betrayed. And we have been abandoned. You, Mr. Bush, make much pretense of being a Christian. But isn’t lying a sin? Isn’t murder a sin? Aren’t theft and selfish ambition sins? I am not a Christian. But I believe in the Christian ideal. I believe that what you do to the least of your brothers you finally do to yourself, to your own soul.
My day of reckoning is upon me. Yours will come. I hope you will be put on trial. But mostly I hope, for your sakes, that you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, many others who deserved to live. I hope that before your time on earth ends, as mine is now ending, you will find the strength of character to stand before the American public and the world, and in particular the Iraqi people, and beg for forgiveness. 

[lakota]

Are you keeping track of anniversaries related to a "nobel peace prize" winning president pretending there is still a reason to stay in Iraq?
Why are you anti war leftists so queit now that a democrat has been in charge of those same war for a good number of years?

What I find puzzling is..........Both leftist and rightist keep quiet when their people are exposed. That is the problem and the reason we find ourselves in the mess we're in.Each side wants to blame the other and refuse to lay the blame on all

I tend to despise all war mongering politicians but I despise the current chief more than the others simply due to the rank hypocrisy that surrounds him and his worshippers. Bush had no reason to go into Iraq. I even question the invasion of Afghanistan. Given the amount of airpower and technology the US has there was no reason to put people on the ground permanently. The hunting down of Bin Laden should have been done just as it was. There was no reason for us to storm into Afghanistan there and then spend billions rebuilding a shithole armpit country and trying to buy their love.

[SHOOTALL]

People do play along and keep quiet. So why is that ? the above letter is chilling . Well war keeps people working . Not just war goods are being made but consider I got to plumb a new building to service fire trucks . Good job for us cost was not an object. But it had to go up fast. Seems there was a need for fire trucke in Iraq and some how they had to come from Va. . Let that sink in a bit as it's all political , pork barrel I think it's called. I can't remember the total number of trucks but it was well over 400 if I remember correctly. Well this company needed a store in Va. to ship from. The war settled down and the store is now closed. Millions are spent on other like projects I'm sure.
 Our economy might be said is based on war. War has bailed us out of depression and recission so it would seem true. Who wants to rock the boat ? few it seems.

[SHOOTALL]

His uncle TR also helped set the stage back in his day. But that's another story. I tend to disagree with the far right christian part. some of the same people may support the war but I doubt it is a christian stance. I have read several books that deal with speical forces and Delta. These were not so much bragging about the exploits but about the reasons they came about and how they were deployed. They were written by those who served in a couple cases , one who was in on the begining of Delta. Then there is a book of stories fron VN. A trend that starts to surface is how the military is used to kill political opposition . Some may discredit the reading but it only backs up what I have been told by several who served .

[vabeachman]

I really hope Bush and Cheney read that letter.  Maybe they can still save their souls.

[Casull]

Totally Far Right Christian stance on endless Holy GWOT...totally...they hate moosilimbs,,,they need thjem as an enemy and to exterminate them to realize their occult liturgy and further elevate zionist to demi-God status.  Bush Jr was one of them,,,

 
 
 
 
How do you reconcile the above nonsense with your previous claims that Bush was a partner/friend with the Bin Laden family and the Saudi's?  Are they not moosilimbs?

[Casull]

and so did the Taliban offer up Bin Laden on 3 or 4 occassions_ _Bush and Cheney refused to take him.

 
 
 
 
Have any credible evidence of this?

[ironglow]

   I suppose that 10 years hence, the government will have to dream up reasons to pretend that:
 
 1) There was a sensible reason to give F-16 fighter planes and Abrams tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
 
 2) That there was a reason for helping to oust Khadaffi from Libya, so the terrorists could replace him.
 
 3) That there was plausible reasons that the staff at Benghazi were allowed to be murdered without sending aid.
 
 4) That there was a plausible reason why Obama again stirred up the war in Afghanistan after it was virtually abandoned.
 
 5) That it was wise to restrain this nation with the greatest natural energy resources, from using and profiting from them.
 
 6) That there was good reason to plunge our nation into debt it could not climb out of.
 
 7) That it was prudent to pass the burdensome, crushing debt to our children & grandchildren.
 
   ....And perhaps they will be explaining why it was such a great idea ignore the constitution and seize our guns..
 

[mcwoodduck]

Bush had every selfish and far christain right reason to go into Iracq, and the neocons told him to do it, and he did. And the MIC-intel and Big Oil corps told him to attack invade,,,and they made a killing doing just that.  Remember , Cheney said the oil alone would pay for the invasion....$2.3 trillion later fuel is higher than ever and no alternatives in sight. And this BHO virtual character is still following the same tired script.
A shadow governmnet of MIC-intel, Big OIl, and debt Banksters hyjacked this country bleeding it dry.
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FDR did more to get us to enter WW2 and many feel he was a hero .

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Shootall:  Highly Debatable if FDR did more ....But Running cover and hiding the 911 Hoax is a pretty serious crime I'd say.
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..TM7

9/11 a hoax?  are you really one of those?  If 9/11 was a hoax was the attack on Pearl harbor?  Was the Nazi Final solution a hoax?
Was the murder of the Polish Officers in the woods a Hoax?  Did the Viet Nameese communists not kill teachers and the educated in the name of world wide socialism?  Do the Chineese communists not shoot political prisoners or is that too a hoax?
Do you understand that Bill Clinton said he should have invaded Iraq earlier.  Was he part of the hoax?  When Sadams Son in law defected and said they had WMDs was that not believable? 
I understand the ends justify the means, the information was bad, the democrats said we should stop the WMDs and the ties between Iraq and Al Quedia and not letting them get the WMDs. 
There were no WMDs found, what was found is the equipment and materials to make them.
I could say I have no ammo but I have brass, powder, primers, projectiles, load information and a press.  If the press is set up and all the componets are there do I have ammo or not?  The Iraqis had the componets and facilities to make the chemical WMDs.  Remember they Used them against the Kurds.  All it would take is making them to have them.  We did not find assembeld WMDs but we found the stuff to make them and the machinery. 

[Casull]

9/11 a hoax?  are you really one of those?

 
 
Yep, duck, he certainly is.
 
 
 

Was the Nazi Final solution a hoax?

 
 
Mcwoodduck, you've apparently missed alot of his posts.  He does seem to think the holocaust was a hoax as well.

[mcwoodduck]

9/11 a hoax?  are you really one of those?

 
 
Yep, duck, he certainly is.
 
 
 

Was the Nazi Final solution a hoax?

 
 
Mcwoodduck, you've apparently missed alot of his posts.  He does seem to think the holocaust was a hoax as well.

ANd of course he will make fun of anyone that questions the Presidents birth certificate as a "Birther" and make fun of them. 

[SHOOTALL]

and cut down Isreal at every chance offering praise to their enemy. Forgetting Irseal was the only country to offer help after Sandy .

[Oldshooter]

Yea well we did get a lot of free oil.........    yea thats it,  it was about the oil! IT was a hoax to get the oil.  Thats the ticket.

[vabeachman]

Bush had every selfish and far christain right reason to go into Iracq, and the neocons told him to do it, and he did. And the MIC-intel and Big Oil corps told him to attack invade,,,and they made a killing doing just that.  Remember , Cheney said the oil alone would pay for the invasion....$2.3 trillion later fuel is higher than ever and no alternatives in sight. And this BHO virtual character is still following the same tired script.
A shadow governmnet of MIC-intel, Big OIl, and debt Banksters hyjacked this country bleeding it dry.
.
.

FDR did more to get us to enter WW2 and many feel he was a hero .

.
Shootall:  Highly Debatable if FDR did more ....But Running cover and hiding the 911 Hoax is a pretty serious crime I'd say.
.
.
..TM7

9/11 a hoax?  are you really one of those?  If 9/11 was a hoax was the attack on Pearl harbor?  Was the Nazi Final solution a hoax?
Was the murder of the Polish Officers in the woods a Hoax?  Did the Viet Nameese communists not kill teachers and the educated in the name of world wide socialism?  Do the Chineese communists not shoot political prisoners or is that too a hoax?
Do you understand that Bill Clinton said he should have invaded Iraq earlier.  Was he part of the hoax?  When Sadams Son in law defected and said they had WMDs was that not believable? 
I understand the ends justify the means, the information was bad, the democrats said we should stop the WMDs and the ties between Iraq and Al Quedia and not letting them get the WMDs. 
There were no WMDs found, what was found is the equipment and materials to make them.
I could say I have no ammo but I have brass, powder, primers, projectiles, load information and a press.  If the press is set up and all the componets are there do I have ammo or not?  The Iraqis had the componets and facilities to make the chemical WMDs.  Remember they Used them against the Kurds.  All it would take is making them to have them.  We did not find assembeld WMDs but we found the stuff to make them and the machinery.

Heck I can make WMDS from the cleaning chemicals I got in house, ammonia mixed with bleach makes chlorine gas, I guess anyone or country that has these chemicals can be labeled a terrorist or terrorist nation.  What exactly did they find in Iraq?
FDR desperately wanted to get into WW11.  Japanese fleet is steaming towards Pearl Harbor and base was not notified.  He allowed it to happened.  Bush did the same. He was warned, knew there were Islamic extremist who were in Florida learning how to takeoff a large plane, knew they overstayed their visa.  He could have easily had them picked up.  I was stationed in D.C. when Carter was Pres.  Right after the Shah of Iran was overthrown, there was rumor of Iranian terrorists in D.C. plotting an attack,  he quickly deported 1500 Iranians.
Don't really care much about what the Chinese do with their prisoners,  gotta remember the Nixon was the pres. that re-established relations with them, Nixon is a traitor to the American people and G. Ford should have not let him off.  Vietnam, come on,  who cares now.  I feel sorry for my friends that served over there and I respect and honor them for doing their sworn duty.  Should have never been in the poor shithouse of a country. 
The Holocaust did happened.  Shows what happens when all the sheep blindly follow the leader.

[SHOOTALL]

What most fail to realize is the lies T.R. told the people of Japan , Korea and China. not to mention the drug trade back in his day set the stage fow WW2 , The Korean war and also Viet Nam to a degree. So some may not care about VN but in reality what is going on in the world has built up over time. It would seem the big players have decided not to have another WW2 but to sponser little wars around the globe to influnce commerence and power.

[vabeachman]

Forgot I also have diesel fuel and fertilizer.  I easily be made out to be a terrorist by the Government and the lamestream propaganda media. 

[vabeachman]

Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither    in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.    But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy    and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is    a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist    dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the    bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY    ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism    and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."           --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

[SHOOTALL]

they did find poison gas , maybe not nukes but still bad stuff and he had used it.

[ironglow]

Vabeach says;
  " But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy    and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,"
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  ....And does it look to you as if we may be getting dragged into a Syrian war while we speak?