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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/supreme-court-to-hear-challenge-to-az-proof-of-citizenship-law/
 
 Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to AZ Proof of Citizenship Law             Ariane de Vogue By Ariane de Vogue
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Follow on Twitter Mar 17, 2013 2:20pm gty voters cast ballots election jt 130316 wblog Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to AZ Proof of Citizenship Law (Whitney Curtis/Getty Images) WASHINGTON — Lawyers for Arizona, a state that has clashed repeatedly with the federal government on the issue of immigration, will be back at the Supreme Court on Monday defending a state law that requires proof of citizenship in order to register to vote in elections.
 
Critics of the law say that it conflicts with federal law — the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), which is sometimes referred to as the Motor Voter law. It was enacted in 1993 to establish uniform procedures to vote in federal elections. .
The NVRA provides a federal form for registration in which the registrant is required to check a box indicating U.S. citizenship and to sign the form under penalty of perjury.
But the state law, Proposition 200, which passed in 2004, requires any registrant who does not have a driver’s license issued after 1996 or a non-operating license to provide documents such as a copy of a birth certificate or a passport.
 
“The case is intrinsically important,” says election law expert Edward B. Foley of the Moritz School of Law at Ohio State University, “because it asks whether a state can add a requirement to prove U.S. citizenship at the time of voter registration, beyond what the federal government requires under the NVRA”.
“This is an important case that is under the radar screen, because it involves not only the issue of immigration but also the regulation of voting rights,” Foley says. “More broadly, how do we make the rules of elections and who gets to write the rules — the federal government or the states?”
 
Groups such as the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) say the law puts an additional burden on voters. They argue that a voter registrant who submits the federal form but does not provide additional documentation required by the state law is rejected for voter registration.
In court briefs, lawyers for MALDEF say: “Although states are authorized to design and use their own mail voter registration form, nothing in the statute permits states to use their forms to the exclusion of the federal form.”
 
Nina Perales, MALDEF’s Vice President of Litigation says, that Arizona is trying to portray the dispute as a “David and Goliath battle between a state and an overbearing federal government,” but she says the “bottom line, is that Arizona’s law excludes U.S. citizens from registering to vote and it conflicts with federal law. Federal law says an individual can register to vote using a federal voter registration form. Arizona rejects the federal voter registration form unless they meet additional documentation requirements.”
She says that following the enactment of Proposition 200, more than 31,000 individuals were rejected for voter registration and less than one-third of the rejected registrants were subsequently successfully registered to vote.
 
A federal appeals court ruled against Proposition 200 and blocked the provision at issue.
Arizona Attorney General Thomas C. Horne argues in court briefs that Proposition 200 is necessary to preserve the integrity of elections. He says the state law does not conflict with the NVRA.
 
“The requirement that applicants provide additional evidence to support their application does not constitute a ‘rejection’ of the Federal Form any more than an identification check at an airport gate entrance constitutes a ‘rejection’ of a passenger’s ticket,” Horne says in the court briefs.
“Arizona, like other States, has experienced fraud in voting with regard to both registration and casting ballots,” Horne argues.
 
Alabama , Georgia, Kansas, Michigan, Oklahoma and Texas have filed a brief in support of Arizona saying that the state law “works hand in glove” with the federal law at issue and that Proposition 200 “is itself designed to protect the electoral process for the benefit of eligible citizens.”
But the federal government has filed a brief in support of the challengers, arguing that the NVRA “prohibits a state from imposing additional requirements on applicants who seek to register for federal elections through the federal form.”  SHOWS: World News
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 07:06:31 AM »
I'm interested to see where Justice Roberts stands on this one.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 10:10:48 AM »
I'm interested to see where Justice Roberts stands on this one.

 
Me too. Mercy sakes, imagine that, they want only AMERICANS voting?? That'll cost the dems a lot of votes. A feel good thread for Americans, a bad one for liberals. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 10:30:32 AM »
Come on Powderman;
   Donesn't Mexico allow Chinese nationals vote in their elections?  How about India allowing thousands of Venezuelians to vote there ..or the UK welcoming Argentinian voter to cast votesw in "Old Blighty"?
 
   ..It just shows how our politicians have voluntarily turned STUPID!
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 10:43:45 AM »
I'm interested to see where Justice Roberts stands on this one.

 
Me too. Mercy sakes, imagine that, they want only AMERICANS voting?? That'll cost the dems a lot of votes. A feel good thread for Americans, a bad one for liberals. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o

Don't kiss each other on the mouths just yet.

Regardless the outcome of the Supreme Court case, some US business owners - motivated by cheap labor and the possibility of transferring part of THAT cost onto the backs of the  US taxpayer - will continue to put absentee ballots into the hands of non-eligible "voters" by the tens of thousands.
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2013, 08:19:57 AM »
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Don't kiss each other on the mouths just yet.
 
 
  BARF !!

Regardless the outcome of the Supreme Court case, some US business owners - motivated by cheap labor and the possibility of transferring part of THAT cost onto the backs of the  US taxpayer - will continue to put absentee ballots into the hands of non-eligible "voters" by the tens of thousands.

Well then, more reason to uphold the AZ law.
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2013, 08:37:50 AM »
I wonder who would be president now if you had to prove citizenship to run for president?

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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2013, 08:46:21 AM »
Citizenship is not the question. Country of Birth is !!
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2013, 08:55:18 AM »
Citizenship is not the question. Country of Birth is !!

It would seem to me the country of birth is entwined with proving citizenship.  For example, McCain was born in Panama Canal Zone when was under US control, despite withing Panamanian borders, which makes him a natural born citizen.

As for Obama, he seems to be a vagabond.  He claims to be born in Hawaii (despite some evidence suggesting Kenyan birth), growed up in Indonesia, stayed a while in Pakistan, and came to United States.

Personally, I think Obama's hatred for America suggests he was not born within our borders.  Just my opinion...

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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2013, 09:01:12 AM »
I wish we could go back to when only land owners could vote.  Why should people who do not pay into the system have a say so in what comes out of the system?
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2013, 09:07:57 AM »
I wish we could go back to when only land owners could vote.  Why should people who do not pay into the system have a say so in what comes out of the system?

I can appreciate the sentiment, but I think we should simply go to an English language literacy test before you can vote.  We can accomplish to very important goals: (1) insure that the right people vote [most welfare parasites dont read too good, especially in New York], and (2) deprive the Communist.......ummmmm.........Democratic Party of a large portion of its power base.

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 09:30:11 AM »
I would think that there are a good number of elgible US citizens that are not land owners.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 09:39:06 AM »
So what.  They got a dozen of kids in school and don't have to pay property taxes.  Just because you are a citizen does that give .you the right to spend other peoples money.  No skin in the game.  Just a bunch of crybabies that want but do not give.  Only land owning taxpaying American citizens should be allowed to vote on how their money is spent.  Maybe I should tell you to send me some of your money.  People should be required to pay for what they take.
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 09:48:20 AM »
quote from vabeachman:
"They got a dozen of kids in school and don't have to pay property taxes."


I beg to differ. They do pay property taxes, just indirectly. It is part of their rent money. Now yes their is a small percentage of Section 8 type housing that pay little, but regular renters are paying property tax. The majority of Section 8 housing is being used by people with some type of disability that effects their ability to earn a living.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 01:20:22 PM »
Indirectly, I am indirectly related to King James.  Indirectly? Sounds like any politician.  What a red herring.  So it is alright that all American subsidize the rental industry? I use to work in an inner city.  They use an extraordinary amount of government resources. Not talking about the truly disabled.
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2013, 02:24:09 PM »
Indirectly, I am indirectly related to King James.  Indirectly? Sounds like any politician.  What a red herring.  So it is alright that all American subsidize the rental industry? I use to work in an inner city.  They use an extraordinary amount of government resources. Not talking about the truly disabled.


Sorry to be off topic a bit , but I saw your username so I assume your from Va Beach .
I used to love to go there as a kid when we were back in the states .
But their used to be a pretty wild bar there on the beach at the south end called the Jolly Rodger .
I was to young but my oldest brother used to go there and play pool with the bikers .
So I was wondering if it was still there . I guess it was the hang out and as little girls me and my
friend used to sneak up on it and hide in the dunes at night .
Just to laugh at all the drunks that would come out of it and pass out in the parking lot .
The cops used to raid it all the time and it reminded me of the bar scene in Star Wars .  ;D [size=78%] [/size]

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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2013, 03:16:55 PM »
Indirectly, I am indirectly related to King James.  Indirectly? Sounds like any politician.  What a red herring.  So it is alright that all American subsidize the rental industry? I use to work in an inner city.  They use an extraordinary amount of government resources. Not talking about the truly disabled.


Sorry to be off topic a bit , but I saw your username so I assume your from Va Beach .
I used to love to go there as a kid when we were back in the states .
But their used to be a pretty wild bar there on the beach at the south end called the Jolly Rodger .
I was to young but my oldest brother used to go there and play pool with the bikers .
So I was wondering if it was still there . I guess it was the hang out and as little girls me and my
friend used to sneak up on it and hide in the dunes at night .
Just to laugh at all the drunks that would come out of it and pass out in the parking lot .
The cops used to raid it all the time and it reminded me of the bar scene in Star Wars .  ;D
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No Jolly Rodger that I know of.  Used to go the Worrel Bros, Ocean Eddy's on the pier, or the Jewish Mother.  Was Jolly Rodger down by Rudee Inlet?
 
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Re: Supremes to hear libby challenge to AZ proof of citizenship law.
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2013, 05:38:42 AM »
I wish we could go back to when only land owners could vote.  Why should people who do not pay into the system have a say so in what comes out of the system?




So!....................How about the young boys and girls defending the nation and in some cases giving up their lives to do so?Do you feel they should be denied the right to vote, if they own no property? ::)

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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 05:53:30 AM »
I could not vote when I joined the military.  I was 17, voting age at that time was 21.  There is no draft now or when I joined.  The people in the military obviously have skin in the game and should be able to vote even if they are only 17.  You join the military because you want to.  I understand about being willing to give up your life for your country. 
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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2013, 04:03:17 AM »
At the time I was of Draft age even legal immigrants were subject to military service but sure weren't able to vote regardless of age.
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2013, 04:17:02 AM »
At the time I was of Draft age even legal immigrants were subject to military service but sure weren't able to vote regardless of age.

 
They weren't citizens. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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