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North Dakota passes most restrictive abortion bills in nation  By Barnini Chakraborty
Published March 15, 2013
FoxNews.com   North Dakota’s Senate passed a pair of anti-abortion measures Friday that are considered to be the most restrictive in the nation, including one that would prevent women from having an abortion based on a genetic defect.
 
The measures now to go to Republican Gov. Jack Dalrymple who has indicated he will sign them.
The new state laws are even more strict than one finalized last week in Arkansas that would make the procedure illegal after 12 weeks of pregnancy. One North Dakota measure would prevent women from having abortions based on a genetic defect, like Down syndrome. The other would ban doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected -- as early as five or six weeks.
 
Republican state Rep. Bette Grande of Fargo sponsored both bills. Grande, a ninth-term legislator, is one of the more conservative lawmakers in the state. She’s pushed for controversial right-to-life issues and has been vocal about the issues.
Grande recently said she had relatives who had children born with genetic abnormalities and has been surprised at the discrimination she’s seen.
“It takes you back to Hitler, and we know where that went,” she has said. “He started going after those with abnormalities, and I think it’s an absurdity we would go back to that kind of thing."
 
Bette has said she doesn’t understand why there is such an uproar over banning abortions in the fifth or sixth week. According to National Right to Life, a fetus’ heartbeat begins at the 22nd day.
“Why would a heartbeat not be considered life?” she said. “It makes so much sense; we all relate life to a heartbeat, and here we have a heartbeat, so isn’t it life?”
Not everyone agrees.
 
“I recognize that we don't all feel the same way about abortion, but we should be able to agree that this personal decision is best made by a woman and her family, not politicians,” Elissa Berger of the ACLU wrote in a statement Thursday. “First, in Arkansas, now in North Dakota, politicians seem to have completely lost sight of this.”
Battles over abortion in the United States have seen a shift from the federal courts to statehouses in recent years.
 
According to the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion rights, states in 2011 passed a record-breaking 92 new abortion restrictions. In 2012, 43 were passed – the second highest number of abortion laws.
Last week, the Arkansas legislature passed a ban on abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy, which some have called a bold challenge to the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling that legalized abortion.
 
The Arkansas ban, which would make exceptions in cases of rape, incest and certain medical contingencies, is scheduled to go into effect 90 days after the current legislative session adjourns. Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe had vetoed the measure, but the legislature overrode the veto Wednesday.
 
Abortion rights groups have vowed to challenge the laws in court.
An Ohio bill, similar to the North Dakota and Arkansas “heartbeat” bills, was debated and defeated last year in the state Senate. The measure, which could be revived this year, fractured Ohio’s anti-abortion movement in a debate over its tactical effectiveness.
In Oklahoma, a “personhood” bill has been introduced that would ban abortions by defining human life as beginning with conception.
 
“When you pass a law, the end goal is surviving in court,” said Michael Gonidakis, president of Ohio Right to Life, told The Associated Press.  He predicted the Arkansas law would be struck down because it contradicted Supreme Court rulings allowing abortions prior to viability — the stage at about 22 to 24 weeks of pregnancy when a fetus could survive outside the womb.
“It’s easy to say, ‘Let’s save all the babies,’” Gonidakis, an attorney, said. “But you could pass 100 bills a day, and they’ll never go into effect and save one baby’s life.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/15/north-dakota-poised-to-pass-most-restrictive-abortion-bills-in-nation/#ixzz2NfAzOBIS
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
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“I recognize that we don't all feel the same way about abortion, but we should be able to agree that this personal decision is best made by a woman and her family, not politicians,” Elissa Berger of the ACLU wrote in a statement Thursday. “First, in Arkansas, now in North Dakota, politicians seem to have completely lost sight of this.”
Battles over abortion in the United States have seen a shift from the federal courts to statehouses in recent years.


Don't ya love it! Seems she only wants politicians deciding when it's in her best interest. I think Men and women should decide if they can pray in schools and defend their homes .


Check out this site; http://www.nrlc.org/Factsheets/FS03_AbortionInTheUS.pdf
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OS. Thanks for the link. Baby butchers ONLY murdered 1.2 million babies last year?? WOW, aint that something?? And to think that killing babies is  part of the DNC party platform. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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1,309,000 lost military since this country began. That's all wars to date.  :'( 


54,559,615 abortions since 1973   :'(


Piers Morgan and liberals can ki...........well you know!  >:(


They "talk" of saving the chirrens.   ::)   Good grief...... You know I was typing that and it read God grief .....fits I,m sure.
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I really have mixed feelings about this. While I agree that abortion is not moral I also recongnize the millions of children that would be brought into this world that would suffer from health issues, neglect, abuse and would be additional burdens on society.  Sadly I'm not so sure it isn't a necessary evil (like war) that keeps the human population under control.....................
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The single parent welfare mothers don't abort, as the new baby is more money in her pocket to buy drugs.
 When I was younger I thought it was ok to abort a kid because I did not see the fetis as a baby. But with age and a little education there is no doubt it IS a baby they are killing!
  i still think they should allow abortions in cases of rape and such,but not for any other reason.

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The single parent welfare mothers don't abort, as the new baby is more money in her pocket to buy drugs.
 When I was younger I thought it was ok to abort a kid because I did not see the fetis as a baby. But with age and a little education there is no doubt it IS a baby they are killing!
  i still think they should allow abortions in cases of rape and such,but not for any other reason.

 
COOTER. Welcome to the board Sir. YES, they do know it's a baby they are killing, the paid baby butchers know it too, they don't care because they don't have God in their lives. Sad.
 
In case of rape, if the child is not wanted then adoption is a viable option. To murder the child because of the sin or sins of adults is executing the innocent child for someone elses crime. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Seems to me if you abort babies cause they might get sick or be abused, mistreated or not taken care of,  you murdering them  to stop them from being mistreated.  :o   I have a good friend that  might have cancer, so I think I will go over and smother him with a pillow so he don't suffer and die !  ::)   
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This thread is a good example of what I referred to on kimbers challenge thread.
 
For babies and America this is a feel good thread.
 
For libbies it is a bad news thread. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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If we can oppose abortion how can we logically support capital punishment?

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“It’s easy to say, ‘Let’s save all the babies,’” Gonidakis, an attorney, said. “But you could pass 100 bills a day, and they’ll never go into effect and save one baby’s life.”
Gonidakis is a wise man. Furthermore it wouldn't make any difference if they did go in to effect. There was a time when abortion was illegal in every state and there were just as many abortions as there are now. Just as laws banning drugs, bank robberies, rape, and murder have not ended those activities alws banning abortion will not end abortion. It will merely remove them from clean well equipped hospitals and send them to filthy rooms at the end of a dark alley.

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There was a time when abortion was illegal in every state and there were just as many abortions as there are now.

 
 
 
I would bet cash that there were not nearly as many as there are today.
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If we can oppose abortion how can we logically support capital punishment?
         Quite easily.  One is an innocent life, the other is a convicted murderer.  The absurdity is when the left goes the other way; kill the innocent, but let the guilty live.
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Curios, how many abortions before 1973 and roe v wade.
 
since then 54,559,615 abortions  thats to 2011. Love to see a real time clock on those figures.
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There was a time when abortion was illegal in every state and there were just as many abortions as there are now. Just as laws banning drugs, bank robberies, rape, and murder have not ended those activities alws banning abortion will not end abortion. It will merely remove them from clean well equipped hospitals and send them to filthy rooms at the end of a dark alley.

 
I have no problem with the female having to risk her life. If a punk breaks in my house to kill me you can bet his life is at risk too. Anybody intentionally setting out to murder another human being deserves to risk their own life. Murdering an unwanted child SHOULD  carry a major risk to the female in question. Aint no way there as many baby murders as before roe vs wade. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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If we can oppose abortion how can we logically support capital punishment?
         Quite easily.  One is an innocent life, the other is a convicted murderer.  The absurdity is when the left goes the other way; kill the innocent, but let the guilty live.
OS. Thanks for the link. Baby butchers ONLY murdered 1.2 million babies last year?? WOW, aint that something?? And to think that killing babies is  part of the DNC party platform. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
Hypocrisy. Just as many Republicans have abortions as Democrats. Ironically, again, the difference between political and religious affiliation in social issues is not widely spread. About the same number of divorces, affairs, abortions, promiscuity and illegitimate births. Why Republicans even have gay kids. Surprise!
What do you say when an innocent person is executed? OOPS! There have been several death row inmates exonerated in recent years. What about the innocents, including children, killed in wars? OOPS! Again. It is estimated that only 1 in five fertilized ova continue to birth even in the absence of abortion. 80% don't live. Do we arrest the would be mothers for 'child neglect'? Human life does not begin with fertilization. Nature itself thins out many of the unfit via miscarriage, absorbtion, etc. For that matter objectively what is a human? How do we distinguish between humans and non humans?
 
SO! Before abortion was made legal there were just as many abortions. If abortion is abolished there will still be just as many abortions. THe only way to reduce abortions is to change people's ethical values and you don't do that by hitting them on the head with a hammer. Abortion is legal in most European countries too but the rate of abortions is much lower than here. They would rather not get pregnant in the first place than have an abortion later. Ironically many of those who rant and rail against abortion are up front in the opposition against contraception and family planning.

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Starting to see the light...........babies get killed in war, some die in the womb, Republicans have gay chirren, sometimes chirren are just too inconvenient.
"Just as many Republicans have abortions as Democrats". Europeans have less abortions than US citizens. If ya yell it loud enough and often enough and enlarge the print. God wont think its an abomination. Yea that's the ticket!  ::)
 
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THe only way to reduce abortions is to change people's ethical values
I would add moral values to that.  Pardner I don't really care what you think about abortion, or anyone else for that matter. If I were the only one against it in the whole world. I have one thing on my side.... Jesus, If Jesus was in the heart of more people there would be less murder, drug addiction, and human suffering everywhere, Europe too. Heck even the middle east and the left coast. Read the Operators Manual for life (The Holy Bible) It might clear some of this up for You. It has for me. Five years ago I would just have wanted to hit you over the head with a hammer. Read the Bible today, save a life tomorrow.
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Bagtic. The dems saw fit to include killing babies as part of their political platform rt alongside pervert marriage. Then they voted 3X to EXCLUDE God from their platform. The reps have not done that.
Sure reps have abortions too. No way there are the same amt of babies murdered as before roe vs wade. MUCH higher today. More liberals and others without God in their lives today and it's no more dangerous than having a wart removed. When women had to risk their own lives to kill, the playing field was still stacked against the baby, but the femalse also risked her own life, and rightly so.
HUman life begins at conception, otherwise why did God tell Jeremiah, I knew ye before I formed ye in the womb?? I'm glad to see some states like N DAK developing morals and family values.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Hypocrisy. Just as many Republicans have abortions as Democrats.

 
 
 
You don't know this.  You can't just make something up and put it out there as fact, at least not without someone calling you on it.
 
 
 
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Before abortion was made legal there were just as many abortions.

 
 
 
I say BS!  If you have something to back up this assertion of YOURS, please post it.
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Word is our Govenor signed this with the hopes that the whole issue will end up in the supreme court and challenge Roe vs Wade........
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Word is our Govenor signed this with the hopes that the whole issue will end up in the supreme court and challenge Roe vs Wade........

 
DAKOTA. I hope it does, but have little hope with the supremes he's appointed, both female libbys. If they had any morals or family values he never would have appointed them. The dems aren't about to give up the right to kill. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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"I have no problem with the female having to risk her life. If a punk breaks in my house to kill me you can bet his life is at risk too. Anybody intentionally setting out to murder another human being deserves to risk their own life. Murdering an unwanted child SHOULD  carry a major risk to the female in question. Aint no way there as many baby murders as before roe vs wade. POWDERMAN."
 
Spoken like a MAN, or a 4-F 'super patriot'. Now ask a feminist how much money we should spend to find a cure for prostate cancer.

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Bagtic. The dems saw fit to include killing babies as part of their political platform rt alongside pervert marriage. Then they voted 3X to EXCLUDE God from their platform. The reps have not done that.
Sure reps have abortions too. No way there are the same amt of babies murdered as before roe vs wade. MUCH higher today. More liberals and others without God in their lives today and it's no more dangerous than having a wart removed. When women had to risk their own lives to kill, the playing field was still stacked against the baby, but the femalse also risked her own life, and rightly so. If you believe that then lets level the playing field by demanding that the man who got her pregnant should be put to death also if she dies. OINK! OINK!
HUman life begins at conception, otherwise why did God tell Jeremiah, I knew ye before I formed ye in the womb?? I'm glad to see some states like N DAK developing morals and family values.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o   
You shall not murder."Exodus 20:13
Have someone explain the difference between murder and kill to you. It is only murder if it is against the law. If it is legal it is not murder.
If a soldier kills the enemy is he a murderer? What about all those killings in the Bible that were approved or endorsed by God? What about those sinful women who were to be stoned to death whether or not they were pregnant?

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Bagtic. I take it that you see a babys life as expendable?? If ya don't want it kill it??
Ronald Reagan once said, seems like all those in favor of abortion have already been born.
You ever hear of adoption?? Works great, One womans trash is another womans treasure. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
 
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Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Now ask a feminist how much money we should spend to find a cure for prostate cancer.

 
 
 
 
Aww, she'd probably just make up facts like you do.  BTW, nobody else dies when a man seeks treatment for prostate cancer.
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Now ask a feminist how much money we should spend to find a cure for prostate cancer.

 
 
 
 
Aww, she'd probably just make up facts like you do.  BTW, nobody else dies when a man seeks treatment for prostate cancer.

 
CASULL. Well put Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm