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Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« on: January 13, 2013, 12:21:13 AM »
  His true colors show:
   http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/obama_mulls_issuing_executive_orders_on_gun_control.html
 
  How about some local Obamabot's claims....
 
   "Where is there any evidence that Obama would attack gun rights?"
 
 "There is nothing to show that Obama would go after ouir gun rights!"
 
  " You guys are just lying when you say Obama is a "gun grabber"..
 
   Come on liberals, surely you can regurgitate some of the denials you issued back when you were hell-bent on voting for him..
 
   BTW:      Thanks liberals, for making it possible for him to rob our freedom from us !
                                 ...Like old Esau, some are willing to sell their (and our) freedom for "a mess of pottage".
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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2013, 12:37:17 AM »
I saw a TV program about the kids and lives and couldn't help but shed a tear.  innocent little babes.
but this is exactly what obama-bots wanted to further their agenda.
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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2013, 01:12:19 AM »
You need to quit this 2nd Amendment had wringing IG.  You cannot change the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America except through WE THE PEOPLE in a bonafide election.  He can only stir the masses and potentially get the fence sitters to agree, maybe, with his liberal position.

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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2013, 01:20:36 AM »
  His true colors show:
   http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/obama_mulls_issuing_executive_orders_on_gun_control.html
 
  How about some local Obamabot's claims....
 
   "Where is there any evidence that Obama would attack gun rights?"
 
 "There is nothing to show that Obama would go after ouir gun rights!"
 
  " You guys are just lying when you say Obama is a "gun grabber"..
 
   Come on liberals, surely you can regurgitate some of the denials you issued back when you were hell-bent on voting for him..
 
   BTW:      Thanks liberals, for making it possible for him to rob our freedom from us !
                                 ...Like old Esau, some are willing to sell their (and our) freedom for "a mess of pottage".
I'll guess an 'obama-bot' is someone who voted for Obama? Or does anyone who isn't a rightwingnut qualify for that sobriquet  Anyhow... just who are these 'local obama supporters'? Name names, and provide quotes? Thanks, IG...
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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2013, 01:23:00 AM »
Bugeye:  the dems and libs love to show ya pictures that will tug at your heartstrings and hopefully cause you to vote stupidly, like a moron but obama has no authority whatsoever to use executive privilege to side-step the Constitution.  He can try, and he will try for sure, but he has no authority to do so and the first challenge to his use of executive privilege that impacts any of our Constitutional rights should enjoin him from going any further. 
 
Don't forget that biden is the one mouthing those words and one look at the situation should let you know that obama's authority to do as he would love to do, disarm America, does not exist.  The Supreme Court can and will enjoin that sob from enacting any 'rules of privildge' that will affect our Constitutional rights, and he knows this, which means that about the best he can come up with is stronger background checks or universal background checks, and trying to address the oft abused term 'gun show loopholes'...
 
Speaking of guns shows - yesterday in Saratoga, NY, there was a 2 hr wait to get into the gun show held there.  It was incredible to drive by the show and see the line for admission going all the way around the block.  On one corner you had those trying to get into the show; on the other corner you had 5 groups protesting:  two protesting against gun ownership, one silent prayer vigil, and two groups protesting against the protesters.  It was a beautiful thing to see:  each group had a sign that said 'honk if you support..... (both sides)', and there was a lot of honking going on.  One guy held a sign that said:  My 2nd Amendment rights support your 1st Amendment rights, and yet another guy held a sign that said 'Dyslexics against Nugs'.  The show was packed. 

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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2013, 01:47:55 AM »
You need to quit this 2nd Amendment had wringing IG.  You cannot change the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America except through WE THE PEOPLE in a bonafide election.  He can only stir the masses and potentially get the fence sitters to agree, maybe, with his liberal position.
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        I think there is good reason for concern!  This pretender has issued more executive orders than any prez before him since 1899..perhaps even earlier.. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/executive_orders.php     
         ..And the wimps in congress so far have shown no tendancy toward correcting him.  His "obamacare" was considered unconstitutional by many top constitutional scholars..yet it took only one wavering "justice" to make it law.
   He may well be appointing a couple more "justices"..who would willingly trash our constitution...many on the left don't like our constitution anyway. 
 
 ..But let's not derail the OP...  Contrary to what the obama supporters insisted upon, there is no longer any doubt... he is a gun grabber!!! ....And I think we conservatives should at least get an apology from those who voted for gun grabber!
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2013, 01:55:59 AM »
  His true colors show:
   http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/obama_mulls_issuing_executive_orders_on_gun_control.html
 
  How about some local Obamabot's claims....
 
   "Where is there any evidence that Obama would attack gun rights?"
 
 "There is nothing to show that Obama would go after ouir gun rights!"
 
  " You guys are just lying when you say Obama is a "gun grabber"..
 
   Come on liberals, surely you can regurgitate some of the denials you issued back when you were hell-bent on voting for him..
 
   BTW:      Thanks liberals, for making it possible for him to rob our freedom from us !
                                 ...Like old Esau, some are willing to sell their (and our) freedom for "a mess of pottage".


Blame yourself if you supported Romney' s nomination and the Republican Parties corrupt leadership who used every dirty trick to sideline Ron Paul.
It was obvious to everyone with half a brain that a totally out of touch rich Massachusetts warmonger and his Ayn Rand supporting running mate were extremely poor candidates.
We had a superlative and revolutionary candidate in Ron Paul and the Republican leaders joined with the liberal media to defeat him.
Does that tell you something?

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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2013, 01:59:28 AM »
  His true colors show:
   http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/obama_mulls_issuing_executive_orders_on_gun_control.html
 
  How about some local Obamabot's claims....
 
   "Where is there any evidence that Obama would attack gun rights?"
 
 "There is nothing to show that Obama would go after ouir gun rights!"
 
  " You guys are just lying when you say Obama is a "gun grabber"..
 
   Come on liberals, surely you can regurgitate some of the denials you issued back when you were hell-bent on voting for him..
 
   BTW:      Thanks liberals, for making it possible for him to rob our freedom from us !
                                 ...Like old Esau, some are willing to sell their (and our) freedom for "a mess of pottage".


Blame yourself if you supported Romney' s nomination and the Republican Parties corrupt leadership who used every dirty trick to sideline Ron Paul.
It was obvious to everyone with half a brain that a totally out of touch rich Massachusetts warmonger and his Ayn Rand supporting running mate could not defeat Obama.
We had a superlative and revolutionary candidate in Ron Paul and the Republican leaders joined with the liberal media to defeat him.
Does that tell you something?
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   Dream on!    Ron Paul had his chance and lost in the primaries, but you guys who stubbornly clung to somebody who had NO CHANCE...and refused to vote against the gun grabber, helped put him in where he can do his damage.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2013, 02:07:06 AM »
  His true colors show:
   http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/obama_mulls_issuing_executive_orders_on_gun_control.html
 
  How about some local Obamabot's claims....
 
   "Where is there any evidence that Obama would attack gun rights?"
 
 "There is nothing to show that Obama would go after ouir gun rights!"
 
  " You guys are just lying when you say Obama is a "gun grabber"..
 
   Come on liberals, surely you can regurgitate some of the denials you issued back when you were hell-bent on voting for him..
 
   BTW:      Thanks liberals, for making it possible for him to rob our freedom from us !
                                 ...Like old Esau, some are willing to sell their (and our) freedom for "a mess of pottage".


Blame yourself if you supported Romney' s nomination and the Republican Parties corrupt leadership who used every dirty trick to sideline Ron Paul.
It was obvious to everyone with half a brain that a totally out of touch rich Massachusetts warmonger and his Ayn Rand supporting running mate could not defeat Obama.
We had a superlative and revolutionary candidate in Ron Paul and the Republican leaders joined with the liberal media to defeat him.
Does that tell you something?
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   Dream on!    Ron Paul had his chance and lost in the primaries, but you guys who stubbornly clung to somebody who had NO CHANCE...and refused to vote against the gun grabber, helped put him in where he can do his damage.


As it turned out in reality Romney had no chance. That is fact.
Romney lost because so many voters could not hold their noses long enough to vote for him.
Romney was pro- gun control and would have caved on this issue anyway.
Ron Paul was a solid and dependable pro gun rights candidate.


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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2013, 02:19:36 AM »
Romney was NOT electable.  Ron Paul was NOT electable.  Newt Gingrich was NOT electable.  The GOP has FAILED to present and electable candidate.  Paul Ryan was a financial breath of Fresh Air for a stale Romney ticket.  Sarah Palin had a better shot at being elected than Romney.

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2013, 02:41:33 AM »
Blame yourself if you supported Romney' s nomination and the Republican Parties corrupt leadership who used every dirty trick to sideline Ron Paul.
It was obvious to everyone with half a brain that a totally out of touch rich Massachusetts warmonger and his Ayn Rand supporting running mate were extremely poor candidates.
We had a superlative and revolutionary candidate in Ron Paul and the Republican leaders joined with the liberal media to defeat him.
Does that tell you something?
I don't know of anyone at this site who voted for Romney. I also don't have any Romney people among my personal friends.  the people "out there" voted for him.
but when he got the nomination, folks like yourself let their egos get in the way of doing the right thing. some of you didn't vote, some of you wrote in RP and when the hateful old man (Ron Paul) didn't get behind the nominee, all the young voters who were hopeful for legal dope, switched over to obama. add all that to the democrat voter fraud, and YOU HELPED PUT OBAMA BACK IN OFFICE.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2013, 03:40:36 AM »
I anticipate Obama doing things like eroding the 2nd Amendment even more by hamstringing ammunition sales, taxing firearms and the like to reach his goal without upsetting the masses.

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2013, 04:08:52 AM »
A few comments. I am not pleased either at some of the possible gun control things that are being possibly proposed. I don't have a problem with tightened background checks. I think all vendors at a gun show should be FFL so background checks have to be done. Hi-cap mags and "assault weapons"? I can live without them but I would just as soon leave these things as is in the concern for the "slippery slope"
The above being said it was 20 very young children that were killed by a mentally unstable killer. Over the last 30 years republicans have been primarily responsible for cutting funding for mental health services, we are now reaping the result. These killings did tug at everyones heartstrings. It is very difficult to keep the emotions out of it which is not good for legislation. Under all this I do not see any different result if Romney had been president. In fact it may have been worse as Romney could have leaned harder on republican legislators than Obama can and I think Romney would be inclined to in act further gun control. Remember Romney does have an established record of gun control.
Concerning executive orders Obama has only signed 139. Below some other previous presidents at this point.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-executive-orders/
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2013, 06:28:33 AM »
A few comments. I am not pleased either at some of the possible gun control things that are being possibly proposed. I don't have a problem with tightened background checks. I think all vendors at a gun show should be FFL so background checks have to be done. Hi-cap mags and "assault weapons"? I can live without them but I would just as soon leave these things as is in the concern for the "slippery slope"
The above being said it was 20 very young children that were killed by a mentally unstable killer. Over the last 30 years republicans have been primarily responsible for cutting funding for mental health services, It was liberals who passed laws allowing the worst mental cases to "sign themselves out" of mental institutions.. we are now reaping the result. These killings did tug at everyones heartstrings. It is very difficult to keep the emotions out of it which is not good for legislation. Not difficult for those blessed with a logical mind. Under all this I do not see any different result if Romney had been president. In fact it may have been worse as Romney could have leaned harder on republican legislators than Obama can and I think Romney would be inclined to in act further gun control. Remember Romney does have an established record of gun control. Not really, he just didn't work so hard to repeal the so-called "assault weapons" ban.
Concerning executive orders Obama has only signed 139. Below some other previous presidents at this point.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-executive-orders/
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   There is certainly no doubt in almost EVERY case, that this current attempt at a gun grab is BY THE LEFT and is being fought against BY THE RIGHT!
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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2013, 09:45:07 AM »
You need to quit this 2nd Amendment had wringing IG.  You cannot change the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America except through WE THE PEOPLE in a bonafide election.  He can only stir the masses and potentially get the fence sitters to agree, maybe, with his liberal position.


Well now if that election would be anything like the last few we have seen. It would come out that
98% of all Americans support Obamas stance on this issue. This country no longer has elections .
It has as Obama has said and that is worthless formalities that only make the people feel like they
have a voice .

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2013, 10:10:40 AM »
Romney was NOT electable.  Ron Paul was NOT electable.  Newt Gingrich was NOT electable.  The GOP has FAILED to present and electable candidate.  Paul Ryan was a financial breath of Fresh Air for a stale Romney ticket.  Sarah Palin had a better shot at being elected than Romney.

False......a conservative will never be elected.
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2013, 12:20:49 PM »
  His true colors show:
   http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/obama_mulls_issuing_executive_orders_on_gun_control.html
 
  How about some local Obamabot's claims....
 
   "Where is there any evidence that Obama would attack gun rights?"
 
 "There is nothing to show that Obama would go after ouir gun rights!"
 
  " You guys are just lying when you say Obama is a "gun grabber"..
 
   Come on liberals, surely you can regurgitate some of the denials you issued back when you were hell-bent on voting for him..
 
   BTW:      Thanks liberals, for making it possible for him to rob our freedom from us !
                                ...Like old Esau, some are willing to sell their (and our) freedom for "a mess of pottage".
I'll guess an 'obama-bot' is someone who voted for Obama? Or does anyone who isn't a rightwingnut qualify for that sobriquet  Anyhow... just who are these 'local obama supporters'? Name names, and provide quotes? Thanks, IG...
Or it could be someone so clueless and involved in heart and sole partyism.........
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2013, 12:22:42 PM »
A few comments. I am not pleased either at some of the possible gun control things that are being possibly proposed. I don't have a problem with tightened background checks. I think all vendors at a gun show should be FFL so background checks have to be done. Hi-cap mags and "assault weapons"? I can live without them but I would just as soon leave these things as is in the concern for the "slippery slope"
The above being said it was 20 very young children that were killed by a mentally unstable killer. Over the last 30 years republicans have been primarily responsible for cutting funding for mental health services, we are now reaping the result. These killings did tug at everyones heartstrings. It is very difficult to keep the emotions out of it which is not good for legislation. Under all this I do not see any different result if Romney had been president. In fact it may have been worse as Romney could have leaned harder on republican legislators than Obama can and I think Romney would be inclined to in act further gun control. Remember Romney does have an established record of gun control.
Concerning executive orders Obama has only signed 139. Below some other previous presidents at this point.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-executive-orders/
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Start looking at the problems the left is in the middle of causing, forget you callous attitude about the republicans. Open your eyes and see.
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2013, 12:24:18 PM »
  His true colors show:
   http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/obama_mulls_issuing_executive_orders_on_gun_control.html
 
  How about some local Obamabot's claims....
 
   "Where is there any evidence that Obama would attack gun rights?"
 
 "There is nothing to show that Obama would go after ouir gun rights!"
 
  " You guys are just lying when you say Obama is a "gun grabber"..
 
   Come on liberals, surely you can regurgitate some of the denials you issued back when you were hell-bent on voting for him..
 
   BTW:      Thanks liberals, for making it possible for him to rob our freedom from us !
                                ...Like old Esau, some are willing to sell their (and our) freedom for "a mess of pottage".


Blame yourself if you supported Romney' s nomination and the Republican Parties corrupt leadership who used every dirty trick to sideline Ron Paul.
It was obvious to everyone with half a brain that a totally out of touch rich Massachusetts warmonger and his Ayn Rand supporting running mate were extremely poor candidates.
We had a superlative and revolutionary candidate in Ron Paul and the Republican leaders joined with the liberal media to defeat him.
Does that tell you something?
Are all obama supporters blind? Why pick a side, stop relying on partyism to create your political stance.
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2013, 12:27:16 PM »
Look at this clearly for what it is, an inside coup. Look at Brennan, what he is and what he stands for. Look at the pick for secretary of defense, and the treasury department, The clash is coming.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2013, 12:33:00 PM »
Or it could be someone so clueless and involved in heart and sole partyism.........


'heart and sole partyism'? what the heck is that? low-cholesterol shoes? do tell...

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2013, 01:06:11 PM »
OK most of this discussion degenerated into the kind of silly bickering that will lose the issue for us. I support anybody who wants to keep our 2nd amendment rights.


I support Obama on a few things but oppose on most -I'm a registered Republican but oppose some of their platform.  IN Alaska I vote for the person more than the party - who I think is a good leader and will do the best job.  I'm sure there are other folks all across the spectrum.  But if we snipe at each other for lack of purity of thought we will be our own worst enemies.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2013, 01:46:51 PM »
re: Dand's post and 2nd Amendment rights - this is something that ought to be kept as non-partisan as possible. Here's why: there are Dems who hunt and shoot and want to preserve their rights, and there are Repubs who are squishy gun-grabbers. It's easy to bash the Dems on this - God knows I've done it  - but we'll need those few, and if they see us (gunowners generally, those who post publicly and outloudly) as particularly partisan... that's not going to be helpful to the cause.


So take the Democrat/Obama bashing elsewhere, I'd say. That'll be a tall order for some.
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2013, 03:08:26 PM »
re: Dand's post and 2nd Amendment rights - this is something that ought to be kept as non-partisan as possible. Here's why: there are Dems who hunt and shoot and want to preserve their rights, and there are Repubs who are squishy gun-grabbers. It's easy to bash the Dems on this - God knows I've done it  - but we'll need those few, and if they see us (gunowners generally, those who post publicly and outloudly) as particularly partisan... that's not going to be helpful to the cause.


So take the Democrat/Obama bashing elsewhere, I'd say. That'll be a tall order for some.
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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2013, 04:33:02 PM »
Romney was NOT electable.  Ron Paul was NOT electable.  Newt Gingrich was NOT electable.  The GOP has FAILED to present and electable candidate.  Paul Ryan was a financial breath of Fresh Air for a stale Romney ticket.  Sarah Palin had a better shot at being elected than Romney.
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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2013, 01:06:24 AM »
Huuum, a Constitutional question.In his willingness to use an executive order to kill off one of the top
three amendments to the Constitution.Does he not then render his ability to do that also null and
void by what is granted to him by the rest of that document ?

I mean he can't have his cake and eat it too even if he thinks he can. But he also makes anything
else in the Constitution that allows him to be sitting where he is right now. Void as to any explanation
of what a sitting American President is or the powers that are granted to him. This is a very slippery
slope he is talking about doing here, and I'm sure he knows that.  >:(

 

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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2013, 06:30:40 AM »
Romney was NOT electable.  Ron Paul was NOT electable.  Newt Gingrich was NOT electable.  The GOP has FAILED to present and electable candidate.  Paul Ryan was a financial breath of Fresh Air for a stale Romney ticket.  Sarah Palin had a better shot at being elected than Romney.
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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2013, 07:15:13 AM »
Exc. Orders are limited by the court in a case back in the 50's about taking over the steel mills. They can't create law . He might extend a list of non importable guns or such but not create a new law.
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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2013, 07:35:58 AM »
A few comments. I am not pleased either at some of the possible gun control things that are being possibly proposed. I don't have a problem with tightened background checks. I think all vendors at a gun show should be FFL so background checks have to be done. Hi-cap mags and "assault weapons"? I can live without them but I would just as soon leave these things as is in the concern for the "slippery slope"
The above being said it was 20 very young children that were killed by a mentally unstable killer. Over the last 30 years republicans have been primarily responsible for cutting funding for mental health services, we are now reaping the result. These killings did tug at everyones heartstrings. It is very difficult to keep the emotions out of it which is not good for legislation. Under all this I do not see any different result if Romney had been president. In fact it may have been worse as Romney could have leaned harder on republican legislators than Obama can and I think Romney would be inclined to in act further gun control. Remember Romney does have an established record of gun control.
Concerning executive orders Obama has only signed 139. Below some other previous presidents at this point.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-executive-orders/
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I'm with you GuzziJohn....background checks are a must.  BUT, are we kidding anyone with them?  Even if a background check had been performed on Adam Lanza, or Jared Loughner, they would still have been able to buy the guns.  Why?  Because simply having mental health issues is inconsequential, and being treated, either psychologically or pharmaclogically is of no consequence.

These things are not recorded in any database, they are most certainly not recorded in the NCIC, and they won't be....HIPPA regulations, Dr./Patient privacy etc....not until one is a menace either to ones self or others, and demonstrably so (i.e. commit a violent crime AND be convicted, will the system have any notations indicating less than "normal" mental capacity.  Hell...define normal!

So the demand for background checks, the current "hue and cry" of the gun grabbers, is nothing more than empty posturing, and anyone with a shred of intelligence knows it.

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Re: Obama considers "executive order" tokill 2nd amendment..
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2013, 09:20:53 AM »
you hit on one item an exc order could take place , to extend the mental requirement on back ground checks .
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