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So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« on: January 06, 2013, 05:29:05 AM »
I asked this question a few years ago. It would seem that our gun rights are in more danger now than anytime in our countries history. Below is a good article and worth the read. If the time comes that they come to get our guns it is your duty as an American to fight against those who wish to disarm us. Dale

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/
If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
 
Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean GarrisonI feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.
About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.
Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly by I Want This" href="http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/#" in_rurl="http://i.trkjmp.com/click?v=VVM6Mjc5NzY6MTAzNDplZHVjYXRlZDpmOGU4ODZjOTkwOGU2NTRiNjM2ODkzZjY2OTg4Yjk1Zjp6LTExMTAtMTA4MTQ5OmRjY2xvdGhlc2xpbmUud29yZHByZXNzLmNvbToyMDk3Nzo4MzhlMWY0ZDIzZDBjMjRjZjE3YTFlMzg1YTkzMjM3Mg">educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin FranklinEven 230+ by I Want This" href="http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/#" in_rurl="http://i.trkjmp.com/click?v=VVM6MjY4NDA6MTYwOnllYXJzOjlhM2YyNzY4OWQ0YzQ2ZGFkNzZjNDJiMzgwZjc0N2M1OnotMTExMC0xMDgxNDk6ZGNjbG90aGVzbGluZS53b3JkcHJlc3MuY29tOjI2NzIyOmQyZDVkMTUzZTEwYzkxNzc5YTU2OTE0NTA4NmExYzJl">years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.
I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case ofColumbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.
For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
I could find hundreds of quotes like these.This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.
We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much  in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty.What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority can not take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.
I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.
Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.
I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.
I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately.When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas and Patriotic Americans take crap off of no one, especially our own government. For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?
I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I can not tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.
For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.
Are you willing to die to take my guns?
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 05:46:53 AM »
I would have to evaluate that decision when it happened.
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 05:53:39 AM »
It's about something bigger than just gun rights.  it's about freedom period.
I'm willing to do my part, but I don't think there's enough patriots left to worry the liberals.
there's too much division among so-called conservatives.
for instance, Ron Paul has caused the biggest divide among freedom loving people.
I just had a member call me some very ugly names because I voted against obama.

that's not how revolutions are won.  we cannot agree on enough to win, so get ready to burn your copy of the constitution in the fireplace for a little heat.
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 08:25:45 AM »
No, neither will almost none. Was there a fight from any country that lost theirs? If not there must be a reason.
Maybe its because of big talk, beer drinking, tv watching and laying on the tush?
I do not have any faith in me or my countrymen. This is not the first time it has been rammed down our throats, nobody even moved.

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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2013, 08:55:07 AM »
I would have to evaluate that decision when it happened.
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Me too, I have a wife and I am old.  Those who will inherit my country aren't worthy anyway.  It's already dead.  RIP America.....
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2013, 09:00:54 AM »
I would have to evaluate that decision when it happened.
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Me too, I have a wife and I am old.  Those who will inherit my country aren't worthy anyway.  It's already dead.  RIP America.....
Is having a wife a reason to live or a reason to die?  ;)
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 09:16:42 AM »
Mine is a reason to live. 
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 09:26:26 AM »
I think a more realistic question is would you be willing to leave America f you loose your right to own any guns. As much as I hate to admit it, we do not have the abilities that our founding fathers did to fight against the govnmt. Back then the odds were about even. Musket to musket. Horse to horse.

Today, it would be an AR against several heavily armored soldiers with ARs and crew served weapons. Drones. Fighting vehicles. State of the art surveillance. And some serious propaganda ware fare with what is becoming a very unpopular topic- gun ownership.

Those that will try to fight against this will not have much backing from their fellow American sheeple. The sheeple will realize when it is all said and done that the have made a mistake by not taking action.

Most Americans today are quite content with their iPhones, xboxes, and flat screen TVs living a mediocre life style that us assimilated into the "politically correct" culture. Now, if most Americans would act like the Egyptians did during their election, coming together and fighting as a big opposing force?  That would be a force to be reckoned with. I don't see us doing that.

What you need to ask yourself is , "are you willing to leave this country to retain your ability to possess firearms ?"
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 09:36:45 AM »
Yes I would without hesitation. The kind of low life's in this country that would be coming for my guns are not ones who are going to be just real kind to an unarmed public.
I would do it no matter how old I was, not giving up on the ones who could not defend themselves
against this scourge . Show me one Apostle of Jesus that did not die a martyr, some never surrendering their swords even after Rome told them to. God has told you to fight evil people.


And no greater love is one who will lay down his life for his friends.How much more clear does it need
to get about this ? You do not surrender your sword ,if you don't have one sell your cloak and buy
one. God wants radicals against evil and tyranny on his side his word and actions have shown that many times . Our founding fathers, Moses, Joan of Arch, the list is endless .


And what was the one thing they all had in common ? Their courage and their unwavering obedience
to God almighty no matter if it meant their deaths . You kill one another picks up and you kill them too. Then another until the word of God is the law. God wants soldiers not wimps, and he has
promised us that our service to him will not go unrewarded.

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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 09:37:20 AM »
That ability would be worse anywhere else.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 09:40:44 AM »
That ability would be worse anywhere else.


Swampman I do believe that you would fight , you always have.

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 09:44:50 AM »
At a certain point there will be a decision to make.

 What are you willing to risk your life for?
Are you willing to give up your most effective means to defend yourself to someone who is willing to use the same means to take yours?
Is there a single government official opposing your rights that you would be willing to trust with the defense of you and your loved ones?
Everyone knows that one guy who is in debt up to the propeller on his hat, would you trust him to pay you for any item you had to sell?
We do not have any money for a buyback so you know that's not gonna happen. How many of those people who just spent $1300.99 for an AR is gonna sell it for $200?
What will be the next "assault weapon"? Anything that has a magazine that holds more than 5? Anything that fires a necked down cartridge? Anything with an adjustable scope? Bipod?

This Feinstein guy wants ALL guns banned do really want to give in even one inch?

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 09:46:58 AM »
They can bill me ! Not afraid to die comes from serving The Lord and and praising his son Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2013, 09:49:05 AM »
I would argue that you need to ask yourself where would you go to retain those gun freedoms?
 
Canada, Mexico, Europe, Asia, Australia, Central America? Thats all pretty much a no. Africa, Afghanistan, Palestine? Well if TV news is to be believed there are certainly parts where it looks to be encouraged.  :o
 
This is the place to stand firm.
 
The above article explains the problem succinctly. Add to it the idea of how exactly do they plan to incarcerate hundreds of thousands who refuse an illegal order? About how long would a group of gun owners have to resist before there was no one left to resist (cops have no real desire to be on the wrong side of a fight like this)? A steaming pile like Afghanistan is quite successfuly resisting the Army of a superpower.
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2013, 09:52:03 AM »
I would argue that you need to ask yourself where would you go to retain those gun freedoms?
 
Canada, Mexico, Europe, Asia, Australia, Central America? Thats all pretty much a no. Africa, Afghanistan, Palestine? Well if TV news is to be believed there are certainly parts where it looks to be encouraged.  :o
 
This is the place to stand firm.
 
The above article explains the problem succinctly. Add to it the idea of how exactly do they plan to incarcerate hundreds of thousands who refuse an illegal order? About how long would a group of gun owners have to resist before there was no one left to resist (cops have no real desire to be on the wrong side of a fight like this)? A steaming pile like Afghanistan is quite successfuly resisting the Army of a superpower.


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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 10:00:13 AM »
Network people network!! groups are better than one. We have had (teams) here for along time meeting, sharing info and be able to contact each other and respond in time to help beats the heck out of taking on them by yourself. 

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2013, 10:30:05 AM »
Network people network!! groups are better than one. We have had (teams) here for along time meeting, sharing info and be able to contact each other and respond in time to help beats the heck out of taking on them by yourself.


And if that doesn't work go to short wave , there is an excellent forum on this site that can walk you
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2013, 11:56:41 AM »
Having cheated the grim reaper three times, I'm ready and I'm not scared.
They may kick down my door but at least one, maybe two, will have to explain their actions to their maker.
They'll get me, but maybe the next bunch will change their minds.


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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2013, 11:59:38 AM »
i chose to die fighting.  not many get the chance to die when and where they please. i had a uncle that fought in the battle of the buldge. he did not pic the place but he fought for us.  he did it. i have to do it.

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2013, 12:11:57 PM »
Amen you two , it was an Apachie that once said.  I will choose the time and the place that I will die
in battle. I will not let my enemy's do that for me.

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2013, 12:18:39 PM »
History has proven that those who give up their weapons die as surely as
those who keep them. Just ask the Jewish people.  I too am older but I won't go quietly.
I have spoken with Lots of folks in law enforcement and none have said they will enforce this law.
Their families will be suffering the same fates as those they are enforcing the laws upon.
Same with the Military folks I know. 

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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2013, 12:30:15 PM »
The government never gives anything back it borrowed or took. If they ride up to my porch wantin my guns, and I give'em to'em. They'll be back, wantin somethin else. This time they won't ask for it, they'll just take it.
Bleedin out on my own front porch, sounds more appealin than bein head shot after diggin my own hole. I'm old, but I ain't dead.
Folks talk about their wife and kidds. Give up your guns, and see how much that means to the next thug that takes a liking to your wife, or daughter. You give up your guns, to the government that took them, and you think their gonna protect you? I don't see it as tradin guns for life. I see it as tradin freedom for abuse from anyone bigger, younger, and physically stronger. I'll quit when I can't go anymore. Then it won't matter anyway.
I'm not fightin for future generations. They'll have to do their own fightin. I'll fight for what God allowed me to have, and for the freedom HE gave me. Not some jackass in D.C. that has a bodyguard and a limo that I helped pay for. But that's just me.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2013, 12:37:10 PM »
History has proven that those who give up their weapons die as surely as
those who keep them. Just ask the Jewish people.  I too am older but I won't go quietly.
I have spoken with Lots of folks in law enforcement and none have said they will enforce this law.
Their families will be suffering the same fates as those they are enforcing the laws upon.
Same with the Military folks I know.
I'm with you friend.   I have a lot of faith in our military.
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2013, 12:41:11 PM »
I question the wisdom of answering the question on an open forum that is surely monitored to some extent by big brother.  ;D
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2013, 12:56:30 PM »
Bingo Brett. Bingo.
It's all a hot mess...........

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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2013, 01:29:18 PM »
Brett, in all due respect. kiss my ass.  i don't care who sees this. i am a disabled vet. my talk ain't cheap. you need to stand up and not be afraid of any one.  our country was founded on "in god we trust" if you believe that why do you fear?

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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2013, 01:34:32 PM »
That ability would be worse anywhere else.


Swampman I do believe that you would fight , you always have.

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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2013, 02:37:25 PM »
Having cheated the grim reaper three times, I'm ready and I'm not scared.
They may kick down my door but at least one, maybe two, will have to explain their actions to their maker.


and you'll then have to explain to your Maker - ???? - why you shot two guys who were doing their job, coming to collect guns declared to be illegal by vote of the representatives of the people.


I'm thinking that the Maker might not be impressed (depends who your maker is, I supposed...)
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2013, 02:40:20 PM »
Brett, in all due respect. kiss my ass.  i don't care who sees this. i am a disabled vet. my talk ain't cheap. you need to stand up and not be afraid of any one.  our country was founded on "in god we trust" if you believe that why do you fear?

Okay fine, and when the jackboots kick in your door at 0300 one day and roust you and the family out of your beds because you shot off your mouth to prove how "patriotic" you are to your internet buddies you can kiss my @$$.   So you just keep on talking.

Let's just say I choose not to show my hand until all the cards have been dealt and the chips are on the table.   
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Re: So again I ask. Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2013, 02:44:31 PM »
Let's look at a lot of reasoning.
What if there was no organized resistance.
By organized, I am thinking about no central command and we have no information about who is doing what and where.
Discretion is the better part of valor. Live to fight another day when it can be organized--House to home fightin would not work----THERE HAS TO BE A PLAN.
Now all this is purely hypothetical--and I don't see anyone who has thought thru this.
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