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Offline Buckskin

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Panic Buying
« on: December 27, 2012, 03:24:01 AM »
When Barry was elected for the first round mags where hard to come by, now it is at a whole different level. On Ebay Pmags are going for as much as $80 each, milsurps are +$50 each and the mags for the S&W 15/22 are going for $150 each. Wow! Funny thing is most places are taking backorders at near normal prices and estimate shipping in a couple weeks. I doubt anything will happen by then.
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 04:47:49 AM »
Sure is crazy...I went to a local gun shop on December 1st to order a Stag Upper...the 7H cause I wanted to get a 6.8 to hunt with.  The place was pretty normal.  Last Sat. I went there cause I needed a pound of powder (RL22) for my 243 loads.  The place was pandemonium!  Cars parked up and down the highway both sides.  So I waded in and had to fight my way to the back to the reloading center (which is pretty large and was virtually empty).  All I heard was guys saying, "I really don't need this but I'll buy it anyway just in case."  One guy at the register was buying 77gr bullets in 223.  I asked him what load he was using for those and he says, "I don't reload...I'll use them to barter ammo with later." 
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Re: Panic Buying
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 06:21:54 PM »
yikes Drd. I had no idea things were so crazy!!!
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Re: Panic Buying
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 10:51:03 AM »
Hi SharonAnne
 
I think I've been through this kinda hype before.  I actually remember the SW29 craze in the 70s when Dirty Harry was in vogue...could not get a 29 to save your soul.  Later, we went through the M36 craze, also "shortages".  Then the 1st Assault Rifle ban and then the most recent ammo/prmers/component hoarding.  Never ends......
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Re: Panic Buying
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 11:09:56 AM »
Hi SharonAnne
 
I think I've been through this kinda hype before.  I actually remember the SW29 craze in the 70s when Dirty Harry was in vogue...could not get a 29 to save your soul.  Later, we went through the M36 craze, also "shortages".  Then the 1st Assault Rifle ban and then the most recent ammo/prmers/component hoarding.  Never ends......


I too remember all these things and more.  Guess that's why I started trying to stockpile ammo and components in the early 80s.  I didn't want to be one of the dolts that added to the craziness by paying falsely inflated prices because I couldn't see what was coming.  Local shop is now getting over a dollar a round for lo grade 308 surplus ammo and procrastinating fools are standing in line to buy it.   ::)   I guess my net worth is increasing daily.  Maybe the economy isn't so bad after all.   ???   Don't want to get too well off.  May end up in a bracket that gets the biggest tax increase.   ;D

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Re: Panic Buying
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 04:21:16 PM »
are people really hoarding primers or are they being used up in the mass quantities of ammo going to Afghanistan and Iraq? I am quite sure when we finally get our people home the primer supply will return to normal and the surplus ammo supply will be once again a glut where I bought 820rd sealed cans of M193 for $129.
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Re: Panic Buying
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 05:56:54 PM »
I would NEVER hoard primers but I figure I do have a life time supply on hand. Heck if I don't shoot more in the future than I have in recent years I have a life time supply of everything unless Matt and the grandkids get into my supply. I don't think Matt has ever bought a single round of ammo, he just shoots mine.


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Re: Panic Buying
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 01:53:31 AM »
I just checked my primer inventory. I have 10K Large Pistol Primers and 14,600 Small Rifle Primers.  The LP I use for the .45ACP and the SR for the 9x23 and 5.56.  When I was actively competing that was about a year  of .45 and 4 months of 9x23.  In fact I purchased those primers while I was competing and thought I was a bit low. Now I may have a lifetime supply. I do need some Large Rifle Primers. I guess I should pick up 1k.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2012, 04:51:43 AM »
I may look into pistol loads using SPM primers as there are tons of the SP Mag primers on the shelves.  Same with SRMag.
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Re: Panic Buying
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2012, 05:34:01 AM »
when the supply is diminished we cannot be choosey.   bottom line, primers is primers.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2012, 12:07:17 PM »
No it is definately panic buying. I was looking to make an order to Powder Valley a couple weeks ago, they had everything then. I decided to wait because I was trying out  a new powder in my 7mm-08 and wanted to be sure I wanted 8lbs.  Anyway, after the shootings/ban threats everything was gone within days, everywhere online. Same goes for stuff at Cablelas, they had everything you would need for primers now pretty much cleared out.
 
It will settle down again, same thing happened when Obama got in the first time. Guys were buying 1k of small rifle primers on Gun Broker for $120... Not too worried about primers, AR and mags are another issue. My guess is that mags will settle down also as I don't think anything will get banned that quickly, hopefully never.  I would like to pick up another M&P 15/22 so both of my boys can have one in the future.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2012, 07:13:28 PM »
Panic buying - no question about it. It seemed like everything was back in stock and prices on primers were halfway normal. Then shelves got totally cleaned off again last week. At least that's how it was around here. Side note: now is a good time to find out which suppliers/dealers are legit and which ones are shameless profiteers. One local shop I hit on occasion almost doubled their prices on everything over that very weekend. I won't be back.

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Re: Panic Buying
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2012, 07:21:41 AM »
I would NEVER hoard primers but I figure I do have a life time supply on hand. Heck if I don't shoot more in the future than I have in recent years I have a life time supply of everything unless Matt and the grandkids get into my supply. I don't think Matt has ever bought a single round of ammo, he just shoots mine.

Bill , I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that has those issue's , my kids think that ammo grows on trees just like money does .  ;)
 
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2012, 03:32:14 PM »
All our local gun dealers/stores have been out of AR's, 5.56 and some places even 223 Rem. ammo and most AR accessories since a few days after the Conn. shooting. I've never seen it like this before. Glad my wife bought my new Colt in early December!


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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2013, 05:36:19 PM »
Read what Frankenstein (Feinstein) has in the works and you too will panic. Her new assault weapons ban is far more reaching than the Clinton era ban. If her new agenda passes, Sport Shooting of anything Tactical Looking will be a thing of the past. No one will be able to afford them or the ammo for them.
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013, 03:09:15 PM »
I am fearful that what will happen is the outrageously radical bill will fail (hopefully)  and then the bitch will introduce a seriously bad but not quite so radical bill that will have a better chance of passing, as a COMPROMISE.

We cannot compromise, now, or ever. Every time we compromise we lose more. They will just keep chipping away.
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2013, 01:52:02 AM »
I know one thing. If that bill passes that makes me have to pay a 150 dollar plus stamp on each of my ars there going to have to come for me. I couldnt afford to pay it even if i wanted to. As to all the panic buyers i kind of chuckle at it. I say good for them. IF you didnt get educated the last time a few years ago when this same thing happened theres not much hope for you. If i could never afford to buy another gun the rest of my life id still be set just fine. If there was something i felt i really NEEDED its allready in the safe. Reloading components are another thing altogether. I do have a pretty good stash. Probably enough to last my lifetime if i quit shooting 500 rounds a week but what fun would that be. I say if you were dumb enough not to be perpared for this tough ###. Ill just sit back and wait and see if it passes again and scarf up the deals when guys who are paying twice the going rate for a gun decide they want a peace of chrome for there harley a couple years from now. they will dump them cheap and turn around and panic again when shtf next time and do it all over again.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2013, 06:46:09 AM »
I would be hard pressed to afford a registration fee, myself - but I think that's exactly the point.  They wanna make it so expensive to own or use an AR that people voluntarily give them up.  I bought everything I need at least four years ago.  I think you're right - if you didn't do it then, why the heck are you doing it now?  Whats really aggravating is that I had a project that I started early last year, and It got put on the back burner because I wasn't really sure which direction I wanted to go with it.  I wasn't in a hurry to finish it, because I thought the panic buying was over and everything would be back in stock.  Now you cant even buy an ejection port cover without it being on backorder, and now I have 3/4 of an AR that I'd like to finish, but who knows when Ill be able to get parts.  Oh well.  On a side note - I think they must be stripping the shelves of spare parts in order to finish rifles and fill orders.  I just wonder how many times we gotta go through this BS before people realize gun control doesn't control the guns that get used in crime.  This country seems to be going through a shocking lapse in common sense.

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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2013, 01:45:55 AM »
think of it this way. Youve either got alot of spare parts for your other ars or can make alot of profit parting out what you have aquired so far.
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2013, 02:30:30 AM »
Lloyd:  this country went through a shocking lapse in common sense when they voted klinton into office.  When they voted hosama in it showed a shocking lapse of any semblance of intelligence. 
 
SS and SharonAnne:  as for herr frau von frankenstein - if she presses on with her bill, as she is wont to, it will not be long before she will be looking for some very deep hole to hide in as there will be enough vigilante groups and committees and self formed anti-terrorist groups out there with bullets and ropes with her name on it that she will have a reward on her head.  There will not be enough police protection to defend her.  If hobama continues with his anti-gun crusade and people like her continue to push for civilian disarmament, she and others like that will simply become moving targets.  There will be no protection for them.  They think they are safe because they have been elected by some fringe of society, and can do as they please but when they begin their agenda she and they will have to hide somewhere, won't she/they, because they will then become targets; since putting a reward on her head turns her/them into a public enemies and menaces and she, shumer, bloomberg, obama, etc., will be seen as the cause of soceital problems, not the cure,and then the problems will see the cure.  She cannot hide forever in d.c., it just doesn't work that way.  In the interim, her offices and home are destroyed, family, staff and supporters scattered and subject to deprivations -what's she gonna do, come ridin' back in onna white horse and rescue everyone when she is on the most wanted list - nah; she will continue to hide until she is voted out or run out.  She may take her family with her and run to sobama-town but without teh ability to carry out her intent, she is a waste of sustinence on the lower end of the food chain. 
 
SharonAnne:  take heart m'lady.  There are enough really bad boys and girls out there to take people like that and make pincushions outta them.  As I said before, right now they feel all powerful and believe they are untouchable.  They can have all sorts of pd and secret service surrounding them but when the first one is taken out and public notice is made that there is a price on their heads, their world will fold so fast it will be like watching a kleenex come apart in the washing machine.  How long do you think a government in exile is going to function?  How long do you think that politicians will continue to stick their heads up outta their holes when their is a price on them.
 
Funny, isn't it that when they are in charge it is very easy for them to call people criminals and have the law all over them, but when you turn the tables and put a price on their heads,  their entire world turns upside down and begins to come apart.  They are also stupid to think that some draconian law they pass now will stand forever.  Let's not forget there are only 500 some odd federal politicians, with more at the local level;  not all bad but politicians none the less and they will get the message.  When their ranks begin to thin and the prices on their heads increase with every stupid proposal, they will either demonstrate their instability and insanity, and their edicts will become meaningless.  At that time society will begin to return to some semblance of normalcy but with new tiers of society not based on perceived political power.  imo.

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2013, 01:51:24 PM »
it is very un-Christian of me but i do dream that the Illegal Alien in Chief gets his just rewards, as a target. The Secret Service must be getting ulcers protecting the Ditherer in Chief, as he is known to the Joint Chiefs.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2013, 01:54:49 PM »
uh Mikey, HERR frau von frankenstein?  That is Mister Misses.  That actually seems correct from the piece of news I saw where she lead her husband. You know how the man crooks his arm for the lady to take it? Well, she had her arm crooked so he took hers. I guess the balls are in the dress, not the pants.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2013, 04:47:03 AM »
I honestly hope it doesn't go quite that far. I'd rather see people come to realize, on their own terms, that 4 more years of bs liberal policy is not what this country needs.

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2013, 06:34:18 AM »
one of the local stores here sold out a 6 mo. supply of AR's in 4 days , think over a thousand. I know one guy who put his AR up for sale on consignment at the store for 2400 bucks it went in an hour. It was a lower value model. Ammo here is hard to get and most stores restrict you to 4 boxes.
 
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2013, 11:19:54 AM »
SharonAnne:  "it is very un-Christian of me but i do dream that the Illegal Alien in Chief gets his just rewards, as a target."   Truely, I hope not.  I just hope his half American ass gets voted out of office so badly, and the dems get hit with such terrible party losses that it will be a couple of generations before they get back into office.  I also hope that allthose singular minded (one issue voters) and the rest of the gang of democrats get voted so far out of office that liberals and socialists have to hide for the next 50 years.  That's probably how long it will take to unravel his economic damage......... "uh Mikey, HERR frau von frankenstein?  That is Mister Misses".  Yep, thaz right.  It's not that she has a pair, it's more like he doesn't.  And ya know, she always was a bit on the 'witchy' side.......... and everyone felt bad for her on accounta she hadn't gotten any in 14 years, back then.  That must be near a quarter century by now.  No wonder she doesn't look happy....

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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2013, 03:50:57 PM »
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One guy at the register was buying 77gr bullets in 223.  I asked him what load he was using for those and he says, "I don't reload...I'll use them to barter ammo with later." 
LOL guess he figures he will sell them to the AR crowd.
Personally I have never been able to load a .223 with a 77gr bullet and still feed in a AR.

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2013, 05:29:07 PM »
rd. check the Hornady reloading manual. Their 77gr bthp COAL is 2.25". They do say their 75gr AMAX cannot be loaded to magazine length.
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2013, 01:14:16 AM »
those long bullets are designed for single feeding in an ar not mag feeding.
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One guy at the register was buying 77gr bullets in 223.  I asked him what load he was using for those and he says, "I don't reload...I'll use them to barter ammo with later." 
LOL guess he figures he will sell them to the AR crowd.
Personally I have never been able to load a .223 with a 77gr bullet and still feed in a AR.
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2013, 01:24:36 AM »
It might not all be panic buying as many American's just don't like being told they can't buy something  ;)
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2013, 03:39:03 AM »
Those 77gr bullets were all there was left on the shelf in .223 at the time.  Don't beleive the fellow had any idea how or why they could be used.
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