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Offline mcwoodduck

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Taxes Two Ways
« on: December 17, 2012, 03:16:12 AM »
So I have been Listneing to the Liberals here and on the TV about the top 2% and paying another 3% in taxes.
Some say that it is about fairness and that they should pay more even if it hurts our economy and other here say we need the extra tax revenue to help the economy. 
Will you liberals please explain to me how taking more in taxes will help the economy or  why is it fair to punnish the producers for producing?
Economists show that a tax dollar is worth up to  $.75 to the economy and a dollar left in the economy is worth $3 by the time it is passed around for the year. In an economy that has been lead by luxury goods why hurt the people that can afford the luxury goods and get more people working?

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Re: Taxes Two Ways
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2012, 04:38:02 AM »
Part of it is jealousy; liberals can't stand the thought of someone else having more than they do.  Part of it is because some liberals believe wealth is finite and that there is only so much out there and if too few people own a lot of it, it's just not fair.  The thought that they can bake their own pie has never occurred to them.
 
My question is, if libs think taxes should be higher, then why don't they just send in whatever additional amount they like that is in excess of what the present rate is?  They don't, because they are hypocrites and they won't put their money where their mouth is.
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Re: Taxes Two Ways
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2012, 04:48:01 AM »
Part of it is jealousy; liberals can't stand the thought of someone else having more than they do.  Part of it is because some liberals believe wealth is finite and that there is only so much out there and if too few people own a lot of it, it's just not fair.  The thought that they can bake their own pie has never occurred to them.
 
My question is, if libs think taxes should be higher, then why don't they just send in whatever additional amount they like that is in excess of what the present rate is?  They don't, because they are hypocrites and they won't put their money where their mouth is.
A while back I suggested that government should create a "parasite pot" that liberals could pay into beyond their tax bill.  there was total silence from the liberals.
yep, they're hypocrites...

I like your pie baking analogy,  my wife and I baked our own pies, and now live comfortabley with plenty of pie.
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Re: Taxes Two Ways
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2012, 06:41:51 AM »
everyone knows and understands there is a need for taxation to support needs within the communities/nation.


what i find is: the idea that simply because someone is motivate to earn more, that they should be taxed more is 'perverted', convoluted or distorted...however you wish to word it.


yes paying by percentage is "fair" but it's the percentage numbers that are NOT fair! why should anyone pay more than 10% of their personal income, no matter how much they make?


i heard Dennis Miller say on the o'reilly show that he will be hit with 55% income taxes between the feds and Calif state...i do NOT think that's "Fair".


my wife and i made far less than $250,000.00 in 2009 and was in the 30% income tax (between fed and state) bracket...geeeeeeeeeeeeee


"Fair" is the most highly abused, four-lettered word, used by legislators.



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Re: Taxes Two Ways
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2012, 07:42:56 AM »
Cuz they got's too much stuff, and dat's all you need to know 'bout dat.
 
If they didn't have all the money in their stash it would obviously be available for everyone else to divide among themselves, FOOL. Ain't you ever played Monopoly? There is only so much money in the world and if they got it all, ain't none for nobody else.
 
I do believe that is the economic school at which the Democrat base was taught, Monopoly. They still don't understand why they always lose, they believe the Chance cards are stacked against them. Some folks play to win others play for fun, they don't get it.
 
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Re: Taxes Two Ways
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 05:58:10 PM »
For Republican supply-siders, denying that marginal tax rates are the sole way to induce or impede economic growth is equivalent to apostasy.
In the 1980s, under President Ronald Reagan, the supply-side tax cutters were in their element. As the debate rages anew -- President Barack Obama wants to raise the top rate to 39.6 percent from 35 percent -- the records of the incumbent president's two predecessors give supply-siders political heartburn.
President Bill Clinton raised marginal tax rates in 1993. Over the next few years and beyond, economic growth flourished, unemployment plummeted and the budget picture brightened.
In 2001 and 2003, President George W. Bush cut marginal rates. Over the next few years and beyond, the economy stagnated, unemployment rose and the deficit ballooned.
Clearly, there were other important factors than taxes: the technology boom of the 1990s benefitted Clinton; terrorism and wars hindered Bush.
Both sides know that isn't a sufficient explanation. Daniel Mitchell, of the Cato Institute, asserts that Clinton's record of surpluses was a result of spending restraint. There are numbers to support that; it's also true that federal revenue increased 37 percent in the four years after the 1993 tax increase.
The 2012 Republican vice-presidential nominee, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, insists that it is unfair to compare  Clinton and Bush on taxes. Clinton, he argues, had the tech boom and the peace dividend resulting from the end of the Cold War; Bush had to cope with the end of the technology bubble, terrorism, a few foreign wars and the financial crisis.
The crisis didn't occur until the end of Bush's administration and he chose to wage those wars.
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-16/the-mythical-marginal-tax-rate-cure-all.html
 
Let's ignore the above facts for a while. Tell us what you believe was the greatest economic time period in US history?