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stainless steel bad??
« on: October 19, 2012, 10:11:58 AM »
Well I was looking at knifes, tools, and machetes the other day and I notice that most of them are made out of stainless steel. The Camillus Carnivore machete is made out of 440A stainless steel, the SOG Fusion Jungle Primitive knife is made out of 420 stainless steel, the SOG Tactical Tomahawk head is made out of 420 steel and so was the SOG battle axe and some other Tactical Tomahawks.  It got me thinking so, I looked up other   knifes that   fall in the 440 steel classes.  Cold steel has many knifes like the boar hunter and OSS that are made out of ASU-8 and SOG also has many too like the 18’’ SOGfari Machete and others.  Now, when I was looking at a good cheap machete, I was told the SOGfari Machete was a good deal. I did some research on it and I found out its breaks/ chips real easily.  In fact here part of a review of it “chipped mine about 2 minutes after getting it out of the sheath, chopping wood (no nails) and am somewhat disappointed. This is too short to chop weeds with (18' or bigger) and the edge is just too brittle to chop wood with. Save this one for the Zombie Apocalypse. (but it does look good hanging on my wall; ignore that ugly chip in the blade.)"
 

Now I have here 2 blades my United Cutlery Black Ronin Ninja Sword/ Slimline Machete that they said it’s made out of temper AUS-6(I have an old one so it could be carbon steel like the ones from cabelas) and my heavy machete that made 440C (it’s said that on the blade but it also said Japanese steel so it could be AUS-8) and I have used both on wood with no chipping of the blade.  I looked at the cold steel blades there were AUS-8 and most were 0.185039 inches in thickness.  I looked at the carbon steel latin style machete’s at tractor supply CO, Wal-Mart and some other places around town and there were few there were stainless steel but, both had a Thickness of 2.00mm which is 0.0787402 inches.   My Slimline Machete is 3.1mm or 0.122047 and my heavy is 4mm or 0.15748 and both are full tang construction and were made out of one piece of metal that was cut and shaped.
 
 

So, what the point I am saying? Stainless steel if it’s more than 3.0mm thickness (all the cold steel combat knifes were 4.7 mm and there machete which are all 1055 Carbon Steel are only 2mm) are good tools and are not trash.  If they were then it would seem to me all the SOG, cold steel and others would not sell very well and would cost a lot less than 30$ (boar hunter and OSS both start at 100$).  Now I am not saying there  survival tools,  no for that a would have a very good carbon steel blade but ,what  I am saying is for gardening, yard work,  camping or as a  hiking blade for cutting brush or blade work there  great.  I think were all the bad things I have hear about Stainless steel comes from steel that was made bad(like some of the made in china stuff. Like the Winchester bowie knife) or the blade was made too thin.  I cut a lot of green hardwood 1" to 1/2" limbs, chopping up bamboo and other hard stuff and i have never had any problems besides rust spots with the  heavy machete.
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 04:11:39 PM »
if you'll save your pennies and get a
cold steel latin machete, you'll not be
disappointed. i have one here and one
at the farm used for fenceline clearing
and general use and they get used hard
and can take it. they are carbon steel
and will rust if not cared for. comfortable
and good balance for all day use. get
you a popeye arm in no time.
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2012, 07:53:11 AM »
I was looking at cold steel 21' latin machete(they sell them at walmart for 17$) but because my heavy as not gave out , i have no need for a better machete. i still have my  kukri for back up.
 
i did some chopping today to show how hard you can you them.  this is a wood dresser

 
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i need to sharpen it up a little more  but the blade was ok. were going to use a sledge hammer later to bust it up for the trash people.
 
did you know walmart online sells Kukri like the VG-1 San Mai III  and swords like the Cold Steel Emperor Series Katana with free shipping if you pick it up in store? i did not know tell i saw someone picking up one at my walmart(she had took a Cold Steel  Cutlass Sword out of the box and was checking it out).
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2012, 08:56:52 AM »
Stainless if done properly can hold up well. Many times it is the heat treatment that makes or breaks steel. Poorly treated excellant steels are no better than well treated lesser steels.
 
To be honest with you I believe you would be best served with a very good quality carbon steel blade that has been properly heat treated to be a machete. I am assumeing this project is on a budget as most are. I am further making the assumption you actually intend to acomplish work with this thing as well. Let the blade naturally attain a patina through constant use chopping through the jungles of Bornio  ;) .
 
If however you want some eye candy that can be relied upon to slice the head from a zombie stainless of any quality will do , hang it in a prominant place to display the shiney blade and brag up its potential to all who will listen. Honestly though if you work a machete it's gonna be all dinged up scratched and rough looking,
 
Look around at pick up trucks. All of them look like crap if they are used for construction. The fancy ones are a bit more comfortable as they are beat into submission. A 3/4 ton model always survives longer than the 1/2 ton models, even when the 1/2 tonner is optioned out with leather heated seats and beautiful wheels and costs $2300 more out the door.
 
So are you the salesman or the laborer?
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 05:04:26 AM »
Apparently you don't want stainless steel in a sword blade as it is too brittle in blades of that length. A properly designed, constructed and heat treated carbon steel blade is the way to go.

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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 11:32:55 AM »
I have found only one stainless steel sword that was any good(that be the Slimline Machete ) most of the stainless steel sword out there are really bad(i own a few  trash swords), some of them are not even good as display swords(i had this one SS  katana that i knocked over and it got bent just from falling over).  I am not looking at any new weapons( i have too many) and i going to play with my Musashi Practical Daimyo.  If my heavy breaks then i will get a better work machete like the Ontario 18 Inch or Gil Hibben IV Machete Knife or something from ka bar or coldsteel.  I am not on a budget right now(remeber my  daitō it was going to come out to 500$ with all the work i wanted)  i posted this becuase i think it's odd that i am told stainless steel is bad and most of the big brands make stainless steel knifes and machetes.
 
and on the zombie apocalypse i am no experts but your going to want a 18 inch machete or short sword like a wakizashi,Cavalry Saber,Wen Jian,Gladius or something along those lines.  I have been doing some sword practice with my Musashi Practical Daimyo and i love that sword but for zombie fighting i am going with my kukri .  More than likely you are going to be carrying a gun or crossbow for the zombie apocalypse and your blade is going to be used for killing  one zombie or in CQB.  It's very hard to draw a katana inside a home (75% of my  practice is in my liveing room and most of my  practiceis  drawing the sword from its scabbard and   cutting an opponent   down).
 
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 04:36:04 PM »
What if the zombie has a gun? Maybe you should also practice hiding under your bed, and chopping his toes off if he comes too close for comfort...
 

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 09:34:48 AM »
What if the zombie has a gun? Maybe you should also practice hiding under your bed, and chopping his toes off if he comes too close for comfort...

Oh whatever shall I do!!  Let see the place I live at now is new construction and it had to be up to the new state and gov. codes.  My apt. is a small 2 bed room and the main points of entry are the front doors and windows. The front door is a steel Masonite Fire Door with a good Schlage  lock on that said on the box it meets or surpasses ANSI Grade 2 standards for strength and security(1 is the highest and 5 is the lowest) and the windows are 3m Safety & Security Window 2 pane glass (I know its shatter-resistant glass). the hold apt. apartment complex has  night vision and infrared security cameras(dome cameras) and the hold area is well lit areas(there are no dark places to hid) and the tarpon springs police department drives through the area a lot(there a upper class school behind our aptmnets).   Also one of the K9 TPD cops house is across the street from the apartment complex. It's very safe were I living now but let’s says someone did try to get in. The best point of attack is behind the building because it is very well lit but you can't see someone from the main road from there.  My room window is at the back of the build and i have one of those 5 shelf shelving unit in front of the window with all my cloths and stuff on it and that is near the foot of my bed.

So they would 1st need to get thought glass that was made to hold together and take lots of impacts, then push both a shelf shelving unit that is loaded down with books, cloths, and other stuff and also a queen size bed set (it's a pain to move because i had to move that thing in with 2 guys), and then deal with someone that may not have a gun but has a camp axe, machetes,  a 1045 cabron steel  Katana  and many others weapons in back of the head board of his bed(it the only place let to store stuff in my room).
 
If we are going to play the what if game, then what if the zombie have full auto guns and are wearing body armor then what would you do then??? what if the zombies are the cops going door to door disarming peaceable Americans after a hurricane?  I worry about what is more then liky to happen not what if's.  Remeber i was at work when someone started shooting people? I feel more safe at home in the "hood" then at the place i work(i can't count how many times at work someone with a CCW has flashed a gun, left a gun sitting in a shopping cart or had a gun within easy reach of kids). So, if i am going to get shot it going to happen at work which is a gun free zone for people that work there or somewhere else where even if i had a gun i would not be or can't be carrying(think 2011 Tucson shooting, AURORA, Colo,Brookfield Square Mall , Virginia Tech ect..)
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2012, 09:39:46 AM »
get an old WW2 machette most have 1944 on the blade . It works will bend before breaking holds an edge and is thin enough not to slow down in a cut as much as a thicker blade.
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 11:51:53 AM »
United makes this one. It's the best I've ever used and only $19.99
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 11:57:34 AM »
What if the zombie reads this forum? Now he knows where you live, where you keep all your good stuff, and exactly what he's up against...
 

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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 12:16:28 PM »
If a zombie still wants to eat my face after one or more 250 gr 45 LC slugs blow thru his face and remove the back of his skull then he's welcome to it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 12:39:36 PM »
this is my favorite
it has seen lots of use and abuse






http://www.knifecenter.com/item/CS97THM/Cold-Steel-Two-Handed-Machete-32-inch-overall-1055-Carbon





Cold Steel Two Handed Machete 32 inch overall 1055 Carbon
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Re: stainless steel bad??
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2012, 10:39:22 AM »
What if the zombie reads this forum? Now he knows where you live, where you keep all your good stuff, and exactly what he's up against...

Oh, i forgot my youth  Compound Bow. thanks about the other machettes and i did look at the United Survival Sawback Kukri at budk but i picked up the Genuine Gurkha Kukri Knife from them.
 

as you can see i am still learning how to use it but it gets the job done. I shot this before sandy came in on a very windy day.
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2012, 12:17:14 PM »
looks  like a good blade


i haven't chopped water bottles in a long time


if the sun was out  i might be getting wet after watching your vidio
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DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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