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Offline Victor3

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How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« on: October 18, 2012, 11:15:29 PM »
"I believe that emotion is just as valid a basis to make decisions as logic is (Yes, this is a statement from a female)."  :o
 
 Where does one go from there, with someone who refuses to value sound "reasoning" over "feelings?"
 
 This is a serious question that has far-reaching implications for me personally as well as others right now.
 
 I'm at a loss here.  Am I crazy to think that she's out in left field? Any ideas?  :-\
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 12:07:55 AM »
Being a crotchity old stoic, there is nothing to do, short of a shotgun blast to end the suffering that is to result, but lay it down and walk away.
I have been maried for 50 years and raised two children---well maybe, I didn't raise the correctly---My wife, the Hen, and my daughter are the same. Neither will take logic as the best choice.
They have their periods of grief that come with this action---but---that is their problem. God bless 'em---you can't make a fat man want to be slim.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 12:52:16 AM »
I believe that there is, or should be a balance.....
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 02:24:39 AM »
Victor3, if you had said.... some man told me.... I may have got involved but when you said some woman... I'am out of this.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 04:04:52 AM »
Trying to reason with a woman is a frustrating and futile effort.  Just agree with her and move on to something else.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 04:25:26 AM »
Sounds   like   a  Pelosi  statement.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 06:20:56 AM »
She's right. Most decisions are made on emotion rather than analysis or logic. Even really important ones. Take for example the passing of the patriot act, the decision to attack both iraq and afghanistan post 911 and the formation of the TSA. Those were all knee-jerk reactions and had nothing to do with analysis or logic.
 
Logic and analysis were heavily used in the decisions to stay in iraq and afghanistan for over a decade, keep the TSA despite apparent ineffectiveness, and the continuation of the patriot act after various sunset provisions expired.
 
In a more practical vein, a good decision maker can never have all of the information to make a good decision on an important and complex matter, so they typically gather what they can and then decide. This is part logic and part intuition, and it's what gets most of the important and valuable things done in the world.
 
Rememeber the phrase "paralysis by analysis".
 
 
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 06:23:33 AM »
Magooch:
I think I agree. Just let her think she won and then do whatever you want. If you can't win anyway, you may as well do what you want. Maybe I misunderstood, because maybe we're saying the same thing.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 07:34:41 AM »
At this point in my life I am lucky.  We have our 23 year old college student son still living with us.  He has become very independent and has his own ideas about things.  He and I agree about 90% of the time.  So when his mother goes off on one of her tangents, I get up and walk out letting him handle it.  Every time she opens her mouth he has a solid irrefutable response.  In five minutes he has her sitting on the sofa pouting, but quite.  Sitting there reconsidering her options. 

Gosh it's nice to let the young one handle it. 
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2012, 08:09:20 AM »
Quote from: Victor3 on October 18, 2012, 11:15:29 PM
"I believe that emotion is just as valid a basis to make decisions as logic is (Yes, this is a statement from a female)."  :o
 
 And are we to assume that all women feel this way ?  This woman obviously has a real problem with
her right brain sending her left brain out to lunch !

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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2012, 08:20:02 AM »
Victor, women don't think like normal people. Lower your expectations, bro.

i got divorced this morning... should have done it years ago.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2012, 08:24:34 AM »
Quote from: Anna on October 19, 2012, 08:09:20 AM
Quote from: Victor3 on October 18, 2012, 11:15:29 PM
"I believe that emotion is just as valid a basis to make decisions as logic is (Yes, this is a statement from a female)."  :o
 
 And are we to assume that all women feel this way ?  This woman obviously has a real problem with
her right brain sending her left brain out to lunch !


Agreed Anna, the woman in my life is a nice country girl who makes very logical decisions. She definitely doesn't fall into that "emotional decisions" category.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2012, 09:55:52 AM »
Quote from: briarpatch on October 19, 2012, 02:24:39 AM
Victor3, if you had said.... some man told me....""""" I may have got involved but when you said some woman... I'am out of this."""""
Now that is some words of wisdom!
And this is one of the few times I'm going to heed them!
 
 
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2012, 10:03:58 AM »
Good boy , now fetch the bone !  ;D
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2012, 10:45:56 AM »
Isn't this the same reason why people wanna riot over which president gets in office??  (posted on another thread)  Emotion vs Logic??   ::) Use that as an example and maybe she'll see the light.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2012, 12:03:24 PM »
Quote from: Victor3 on October 18, 2012, 11:15:29 PM
"I believe that emotion is just as valid a basis to make decisions as logic is (Yes, this is a statement from a female)."  :o
 

 
 I'm at a loss here.  Am I crazy to think that she's out in left field? Any ideas?  :-\



I wonder how many of us used logic instead of emotions when pickin' our spouse or significant other? In everyday choices, when all else is equal, many times,  just what do we use as a deciding factor? What do so many advertisers out there aim for when they use sexy women/men in their commercials? It's pretty logical they're using our emotions to sell their products, not logic.  Give the woman a break, odds are, your emotions are what prompted you to create this thread. Just sayin'.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2012, 01:24:43 PM »
 No one grows up until they have to. The way in which some people are raised forces them to be responsible for their decisions and actions, grow up. Those that arn't raised to be responsible won't ever be unless life forces it on them. If you married someone that never grew up that is what you will always be stuck with. You can't change it. No one can. ear
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2012, 01:37:32 PM »
Quote from: Anna on October 19, 2012, 08:09:20 AM
Quote from: Victor3 on October 18, 2012, 11:15:29 PM
"I believe that emotion is just as valid a basis to make decisions as logic is (Yes, this is a statement from a female)."  :o
 
 And are we to assume that all women feel this way ?  This woman obviously has a real problem with
her right brain sending her left brain out to lunch !

Good answer.
I think the best is to explain that many good intentions that are made with emotion often result in grave circumstances for the people it is supose to help. 
Sending food to starving people will often cause riots and many are killed over fights for the food, even if there is pleanty for all there.  Even though you tried to help you ened up killing many people and you should not be given credit for trying but scorned for your failure. 
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2012, 04:05:35 PM »
Quote from: Victor3 on October 18, 2012, 11:15:29 PM
"I believe that emotion is just as valid a basis to make decisions as logic is (Yes, this is a statement from a female)."  :o
 
 Where does one go from there, with someone who refuses to value sound "reasoning" over "feelings?"
 
 This is a serious question that has far-reaching implications for me personally as well as others right now.
 
 I'm at a loss here.  Am I crazy to think that she's out in left field? Any ideas?  :-\


does it really  matter


as long as some one else  is not held accountable??
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2012, 04:05:47 PM »
Decisions based on emotion are based on what someone wants and not what is needed. ear
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2012, 08:40:32 PM »
Quote from: buck460XVR on October 19, 2012, 12:03:24 PM
...odds are, your emotions are what prompted you to create this thread. Just sayin'.

 True, but creating a thread isn't going to cost my family $600,000. And money's only one component of what hangs in the balance here...
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2012, 08:57:30 PM »
Quote from: Conan The Librarian on October 19, 2012, 06:20:56 AM

Rememeber the phrase "paralysis by analysis".
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I resemble that remark  ;D . If only our modern world did not move at the rapid pace at which it does. Over analysis has hindered me in my life in many aspects But it has also opened the door to intellectual and spiritual growth (thereby driving me completely insane  ;D  ). 
My wife hates this habit of mine as I do not always move at the speed of "The Mrs.", however, she cannot complain much with the fact that when I do a job, it is down correctly and rock solid with all the bases covered into the future and usually at a minimal cost and done in a very stress free manner (she really hates that part).
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2012, 04:44:02 AM »
I believe the Lord made most men rational, and most women emotional for a reason, and someday will reveal the reason to us. ;) That said...We see the opposite occur at times, and as I get older, I find myself getting more emotional and it ticks me off.So far I think Spock still wins out. ::)
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2012, 06:12:34 PM »
There are places on this planet where a kick in the butt turns the emotional baloney into a realistic reminder to who runs the show. ;)
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2012, 06:53:43 AM »
Quote from: BBF on October 20, 2012, 06:12:34 PM
There are places on this planet where a kick in the butt turns the emotional baloney into a realistic reminder to who runs the show. ;)
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2012, 06:35:28 AM »
The places I had in mind do not worry about small things like that. :D
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2012, 12:15:08 PM »
Men can be as emotional as women---maybe more---see road rage and bar fights. It is really as much gender as men would wax on foerver.
Logic is neither more time consuming or less time consuming---those things are generally the results of emoitional lack of masturity and feelings of inferiority.
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2012, 02:35:14 PM »
  Generally, women are more emotional than men.  Anna beat me to it..it's the old left brain/right brain thing!    Perhaps a better division would be ..not a "men compared to women"  so much as "conservatives compared to liberals"
  We should all know by now that liberals conduct themselves mostly on emotion while conservatives attitudes are more governed by logic and facts.  So, perhaps more women than men have the "liberal gene" ;) , but that doesn't mean all women are highly emotional, or all men are highly logical!
   If you think that is true, try watching those male soccer fans, when Liverpool loses a critical game ...
     Or how about the basketballfans say in Seattle..when their college basketball team gets whipped. ;) ;D ;D
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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2012, 06:19:15 PM »
Any excuse for a party or riot!
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Re: How do you deal with someone who tells you...
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2012, 04:58:36 AM »
Quote from: mcbammer on October 21, 2012, 06:53:43 AM
Quote from: BBF on October 20, 2012, 06:12:34 PM
There are places on this planet where a kick in the butt turns the emotional baloney into a realistic reminder to who runs the show. ;)
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And some of these case go completely unproven !  I have seen where the police take the woman's accusations perbateum . A bad situation that many times is used only as a means of revenge on the man. Usually during a pending divorce where there had been no other reported incidents of abuse
by the male. These laws were set up to protect , and they are being abused to a very great extent .
And it is a fools notion that a male can not also be the victim of domestic abuse , it just is seldomly
reported.  If a 200 pound man does not have the right to defend himself against a 125 pound woman who is beating him with a baseball bat , then these laws are very flawed in their original intentions.





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