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Re: .22 Caliber Air Rifle And Scope For Small Game Hunting?
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2012, 10:26:16 AM »
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I bought my sumatra.25 for $450.


At that price did it come with a way to charge it? I see hand pumps advertised at $200, and "scuba" type tanks running close to $600. Nobody seem to want to answer the question. Is the $450 just the rifle? The rifle, and pump or tank? Or is it more like $650 to $1000 by the time you get the equipment needed to shoot it?


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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2012, 09:49:53 PM »
I use a hand pump,cheap air.

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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2012, 02:01:55 AM »
Knife says;
  Thanks again guys, for all your great advice and links to some great information. I have done some paper shooting with this Ruger Air Hawk, and am not at all satisfied with the 3" (or more) group I am getting at ranges anywhere past 15 yards, and it has to be under 10 yards to get the 1" group I am looking for.
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Wow!  I am surprised that the Airhawk is producing such poor groups. My Airhawk allows me to hit pennies quite regularly at 15 yards..using the excellent sights already provided.
   Perhaps you should consider the points Keith suggested in reply#14.
    I have found some differences in ammo..but none like 3" groups.  I have a couple tins of RWS and a tin of Crosman Premier Hollowpoints..  Mine likes the Crosmans best..but only by a whisker..yours may differ.  Try some other pellets...and the regular sights provided..that will eliminate any scope or scope mounting errors.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2012, 03:53:49 AM »
 I forgot to mention, to the OP, that for the money and build quality a turkish made magnum is not a bad way to go. Hatsan is the turkish manufacturer who makes pellet rifles(springers) under their own namesake and also for webley and Walther. I've tried a sampling from all 3 and was more impressed with their offerings than anyone elses guns, german included.(for the money). Their models all seem to make the advertised power, have heavy machined steel actions/barrels/parts, gorgeous real walnut on most wood models, very well built designed. Most are 200-300.00.  I have 2 favorites, a webley longbow .177 with a chocked lothar walther barrel(factory) and a SWEET walnut stock. It shoots through the same hole with 7.9gr jsbs at 20 yards and is the equal or superior to the beeman R-7's i've had in most(not all) respects. It was 140.00.  The other of note is the walther talon magnum/hunter in both .25 and .22 cal. These are huge, long, hard to cock, recoil is bad and they are ugly. In spite of these flaws, i've had several in both calibers and for 200 bucks they are unbeatable in terms of power/accuracy. All of mine do a true 30ftlbs of energy and in spite of evil recoil are very consistent and accurate with quality heavyweight jsb pellets. A unique anti recoil system tames recoil to the scope and seems to work well, even cheap airgun scopes have held up on the gun. My talon .22 has become my go-to for guarding my backyard chickens as it has no obvious poi shift from day to day as many springers do, and its power is well proven on possums, coons and a few other critters that tried to get my hens. It replaced a .22 Diana/RWS 350 mag that cost twice as much and shot half as well. The turkish guns are well worth checking out if you want a true bargain in the airgunning market.  Jeff
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Re: .22 Caliber Air Rifle And Scope For Small Game Hunting?
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2012, 03:23:41 PM »
I use a hand pump,cheap air.


You still haven't mentioned the price. From what I have been able to find out the hand pumps available run from $175 to over $200. Plus the fill adapter from $20 to $25. So to just be able to use a PCP air rifle a person needs to spend the price of a decent spring, or nitro-piston gun in addition to the $400+ for the gun itself..

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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2012, 12:59:04 AM »
 In addition to the cost of a hand pump, they're a pain to use. Boring, hard work to pump a gun to 3000 psi. If you happen to weigh less than 200# you might not even be able to get up to 3000 psi with one. Then there's maintenance, often which can't be easily done yourself. Many pumps have 10 - 15 seals in them. They're sensitive to dust, which makes them fail more often when they're exposed to it. Then there's the moisture trap, which if you don't remember to bleed it regularly can cause water to be pumped into your gun, forming rust inside of the reservoir.


 Other than the above, they're just dandy.  :D


 I don't know many guys into PCP rifles who don't use a scuba tank, but then I live on the CA coast where dive shops are all over the place. Unfortunately, some folks don't have the option. Then again, scuba tanks have their own set of problems/expenses.
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2012, 03:05:48 AM »
 I started with a handpump and it sucked for use with 3000psi pcp's. Did ok with the 2000psi benjamin discovery. I then went to a 3200 psi catalina steel scuba tank that was 150.00ish at a local scuba shop. The required yoke/hose/fitting added 100.00 and so for about $250 I got to experience the joy of an easy fill. Only thing is that when shooting hot pcp's.. I get about 5 fills and its time to go back to the scuba shop. This isn't working... So now i'm looking at a 500.00 4500psi carbon fiber tank..thats a lot of cash and hard to justify for an accessory but I wish i'd have not wasted the money on the pump and the steel tank. Those considering pcp airguns are forwarned,, go ahead and buy the carbon fiber tank up front(if you can locally fill one) and you'll have a sufficient source of power for any pcp rifle you can buy.   J
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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2012, 03:21:53 PM »
I started with a handpump and it sucked for use with 3000psi pcp's. Did ok with the 2000psi benjamin discovery. I then went to a 3200 psi catalina steel scuba tank that was 150.00ish at a local scuba shop. The required yoke/hose/fitting added 100.00 and so for about $250 I got to experience the joy of an easy fill. Only thing is that when shooting hot pcp's.. I get about 5 fills and its time to go back to the scuba shop. This isn't working... So now i'm looking at a 500.00 4500psi carbon fiber tank..thats a lot of cash and hard to justify for an accessory but I wish i'd have not wasted the money on the pump and the steel tank. Those considering pcp airguns are forwarned,, go ahead and buy the carbon fiber tank up front(if you can locally fill one) and you'll have a sufficient source of power for any pcp rifle you can buy.   J
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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2012, 12:17:55 AM »
 There is another option...


http://www.shoeboxcompressor.com/
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2012, 03:59:26 AM »
 I appreciate a nice springer too keith, and for certain scenarios, say a survival situation..it would be the 2nd gun i'd grab. Nothing procures sparrow kabobs quite like an accurate smallbore springer. But to experience the opposite spectrum inairguns you GOTTA try PCP guns. The draw for me, is you can legally firea .25-.50cal at subsonic speeds almost silently. The factory installed baffles on lots of these guns quiet them down to whisper quiet reports and yet you can create enough ftlbs to humanely take medium sized game. They are amazing tools and worth the expense imho.                       Thanks vic, the shoebox looks pretty attractive. I'm starting to see some used ones on the yellow forums classifieds from time to time, seems like quite a bargain for an almost self contained air source. Worth considering for sure.  J
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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2012, 04:03:54 AM »
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Re: .22 Caliber Air Rifle And Scope For Small Game Hunting?
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2012, 06:16:46 AM »
There is another option...


http://www.shoeboxcompressor.com/


Now that could be just the ticket...Use your shop air compressor as a first stage of a three stage compressor system to get to 4,500 psi...


Still at an additional $550. plus the gun plus the scope and you'll need a hose from the compressor The PCP is the most expensive.  Powerful for certain, but the price of admission to the PCP club will keep many out.
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« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2012, 10:54:05 AM »
...  Now I remember why I decided to use my springer for some of the small stuff, but go to a .22 CB on up for anything larger.
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2012, 10:10:36 PM »
...  Now I remember why I decided to use my springer for some of the small stuff, but go to a .22 CB on up for anything larger.


 And that, my powder-burning friend, is the most practical, inexpensive and hassle-free thing to do for most folks in most situations.  ;)


 PCP airguns certainly have a place in some shooting enthusiasts' gun safes (mine included). As far as airguns go though, I currently have 11 springers, ~20 CO2 guns and 4 pump guns. I'm down to one PCP and don't plan on buying another any time soon.


 Many of my 23 rimfires can do 90% of what I'd use my PCP for, with only a gun and a pocket full of ammo. And my Savage 1909 hasn't blown a single O-ring after a century of use.  :)
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Re: .22 Caliber Air Rifle And Scope For Small Game Hunting?
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2012, 08:46:36 PM »
I have 2 pumps.An air-venturi cost$175,and a hill pump cost $280.I use only hand pumps,for my.25cal &.50cal.airguns.

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« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2012, 09:14:08 AM »
Haven't been able to find RWS brand pellets anywhere, until now. Last night I found some at Bass Pro. They didn't have any "superdomes" but I told the little airgun guy that I was looking for accuracy. He said I had definitely been pointed in the right direction, and RWS makes the most accurate pellets out there. However, he said the flat-nosed "wadcutter" type is by far the most accurate design in airgun pellets, and recommended the RWS (Meisterkugeln) "Extreme Precision"  Field & Target 8.2 gr professional line, of which I bought a 500 rd tin. He says if I do not like them, he will personally buy them back from me, as these are all he ever shoots in ALL of his .177 cal air rifles... I will try them out as soon as this rain stops, and report my results...

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« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2012, 10:39:32 PM »
 MKs are one of my favorite pellets for paper punching. They work fine for hunting at short range, but be advised that velocity drops off (due to low BC) more rapidly with flat-nose pellets than most domed ones. Notice the difference in BC between MKs and Crosman Premiers (very good domed design)...


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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2013, 04:46:32 PM »
JSB Exact pellets in both .177 and .22 cal are some of the best pellets made, they are domed and shoot in most any airgun I have tried them in accurately. If you want to spend $500 or so, a PCP gun is the way to go. If you do a search you can get the gun and a hand charger(pump) for around the $500 plus a bit range. If you want a piston gun, the Gamos are very good but require patience as they take as many as 500 rounds to settle in and become accurate and the scopes are hit or miss. Most guns have a few hundred shot break in period. The Benjamin NP(Nitro Piston in .22 cal) is a 40 yard gun. The ranges you are talking about are tough for any piston gun to kill at consistently. PCP guns are killers of tree-rats, pigeons and the such out to 75 yards and certain guns that push a .22 cal. pellet at 900 fps can take game beyond that. EDGuns out of Germany I believe are the best out there, but at $1800 should be. If you are willing to cut your range in half, there are many good .22 cal piston guns from $200-500 bucks to get the job done, just find the pellet your gun likes. Shawn

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« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2013, 09:18:03 PM »
been shooting my  Gamo 177 spring rifle a while. found out that if you wash your pellets they shoot better tighter groups try it.my gun has been shooting real good only problem i have had was center point scope would not hold zero i adjusted all the way to the left but now is right on it is going junk. the guns are not bad but there scopes you get with them are cheap . you get what you pay for.the springer's are noisey going to see how the nitro piston's shoot in 22cal. :)

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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2013, 12:14:44 AM »
Nice to see that a few of you dealt with the $ and equipment questions regarding owning and using PCP Airguns.
I have one only....and a tank and a hand pump and a back up hand pump (though the first has never given me any trouble). Yes, a serious investment. For a gun in the .177 - .25 cal range, the $ may be a turn off.
What I wanted, though, was power....and I got that. I went with a large bore gun, .45 cal.; it uses the same round balls that cast for muzzleloading and the same slugs that I cast for my Colt 1911. Velocities are way subsonic but the projectiles are very large compared to normal airgun pellets (200 gr. LSWC at 600+ fps or a 173 gr. LRB at 700+ fps.)
And forget quiet.....the gun is LOUD.
About hunting with a pellet gun: the standard advice is to go with a .22. The seventeens have lots of velocity but suffer in the mass department. They go fast; unfortunately the slow down fast too. The heaviest .177 pellet that I know of runs about 16 grains. That is half the weight of the heavy weight .22s.
A 16 grain pellet at 1000 fps. yields a muzzle energy of about 35 ft.lbs. A 32 grain .22 pellet needs only 700 fps. to do the same.
Good article about this at: http://www.pyramydair.com/article/Velocity_and_Pellets_April_2003/2

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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2013, 05:13:25 PM »
just bought a nitro piston cross man 22 cal a much improvement over the springer's plenty of power.check out pyramid air on line. :D

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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2013, 10:30:17 AM »
  The Benjamin Marauder is a really great rig for the money.  They make less noise than a 22lr with a silencer and I've shot them side by side. The ten shot rotary magazine is what really makes it stand out from most other air rifles.  I like spring guns and all, but they are slow to reload.  Single shot is OK with cartridge ammunition, but cocking and reloading an air gun takes a lot of time by comparison.  The Marauder works like any other bolt action repeater except that it's Hollywood movie quiet.

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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2013, 12:41:16 PM »
  The Benjamin Marauder is a really great rig for the money.  They make less noise than a 22lr with a silencer and I've shot them side by side. The ten shot rotary magazine is what really makes it stand out from most other air rifles.  I like spring guns and all, but they are slow to reload.  Single shot is OK with cartridge ammunition, but cocking and reloading an air gun takes a lot of time by comparison.  The Marauder works like any other bolt action repeater except that it's Hollywood movie quiet.

The Marauder is a hot number and I would also love to have one one day.. But at almost 500 than another 3-400 to keep it charged.. even at today's exagerated rim fire costs... I can but an aweful lot of them for the .22's I already own...

I too have caught the air power bug, but to my mind everything in its place.. if you gotta jump thru hoops and spend big $$ to do something thats second nature for no $$... well I'm gonna do the NO COST option.

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« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2013, 12:26:49 AM »
I too have caught the air power bug, but to my mind everything in its place.. if you gotta jump thru hoops and spend big $$ to do something thats second nature for no $$... well I'm gonna do the NO COST option.

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« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2013, 04:46:41 AM »
One other thing to remember is that big springers (ALL springers) take a different technique to shoot accurately. It's called the "artillery hold," I guess because it's sort of like the old sling or gimbal mounted artillery guns. You really try to hold the gun as lightly as you can, so it can jump and dance around all it wants when you pull the trigger. It's kind of hard to get your head around at first, but it works! You hold the stock lightly, with a barely touching cheek weld, and basically just lay the forearm on your front hand to prop it up. It doesn't make sense with powder guns, but it will cut your group sizes by at least 1/2 with a spring type air gun. I'm just pointing this out, because I would think the precharged guns would shoot more like a regular powder burner. I've killed rabbits at 20-30 feet with a Crossman pump pistol, but it's a PITA to pump it back up in between shots, even though it's accurate as a lazer at that range. My "big" airgun is a Browning Leverage in .22, but I'd set 50 yds as its maximum range for small game. It's more accurate than I am, but, like I said, you have to learn to hold a springer. For under $200, it does come with a decent scope. It's heavy, though.
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« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2013, 05:17:22 AM »
Sorry; I may not be politically correct in this thread..but unless your intended use is in your backyard and close to disagreeable neighbors.. a cheap .22LR with CBs or CCI quiet rounds, is a tremendous bargain.
 
  Here's a place to start..single shot..just like an air rifle and not near as costly as many air guns.    http://www.crickett.com/
 
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« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2013, 12:30:12 AM »
Nothing wrong with CBs and shorts from a 22, but the OP asked about air rifles.  Taking the thread over to rimfire isn't "non PC', it's just off topic.

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« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2013, 01:16:52 AM »
One of the advantages of any air rifle is independence. The fuel is free and pellets are cheap and plentiful (have you tried to buy .22 rimfires lately?). Of course, a SV .22rf generates substantially more power than most air rifles. PCPs, for all their expense, are a way around that.
As stated earlier, some years ago I iinvested in a large bore PCP, .457 caliber, and the means need to charge the thing with air. It was an expense for sure. Now, though, I am independent of the need to buy anything in order to shoot. I consider it an investment against the anti-gun nuts as well as a hedge against ammo shortages. Plenty of power for general hunting, especially small game and maybe larger game. A 200 grain lead bullet at 600 fps yields 159 ft.lbs of ME. A 173 grain lead round ball at 700 fps yields 188 ft.lbs ME. Not like a CF rifle but substantially more than a .22RF.
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« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2013, 04:22:58 AM »



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« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2013, 08:37:48 AM »
I too have caught the air power bug, but to my mind everything in its place.. if you gotta jump thru hoops and spend big $$ to do something thats second nature for no $$... well I'm gonna do the NO COST option.

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 You've got your Sheridan (.20) and 1377 (.177). On your way to a nifty collection of American classics. Now spring for one of these (nice copy of the old Crosman 160). You need a .22 CO2 rifle. Yes, you do. Don't doubt me on this.  :)


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I have repeatedly read about these and I'll admit I am Intrigued. ;)

Momma has trouble pumping the pneumatics past a couple strokes. She likes the 2240 pistol so this may just do the trick!  At 600+ fps with 22cal pellet that's 10+ fpe. That will even work on rats!!

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