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Would this be a good deer rifle
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2012, 05:18:38 AM »
IMHO, just basing on paper ballistics. It would make for a passable deer caliber with appropraite bullets, if used at appropraite ranges.

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2012, 05:23:21 AM »
IMHO, just basing on paper ballistics. It would make for a passable deer caliber with appropraite bullets, if used at appropraite ranges.

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That's what I was thinking, 308 would be better on paper and game.  It looks like someone spent a lot of money on the build though.

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 05:36:20 AM »
Its a factory offering!

Its a bullet being designed for the AR platform. This is a marketing plan to get this caliber into the hnads of more people by offering it in a "cheaper" platform...

There are a couple threads here about it.  I think its just reciently becoming availble.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 05:37:03 AM »
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 06:13:24 AM »
looks like a good idea for someone who as the ar platform already in 300BO, thanks for info guys!

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 06:18:46 AM »
Its all about proper range with given ballistics and shot placement.

A 22hornet is a good deer rifle if you load it properly, keep your ranges within reason, and put the bullet where it needs to be.  I see no reason why that rifle in 300BO wouldn't work good too.
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 07:13:39 AM »
I would love to have one, but not at that price. It is above an M1 carbine, not quite up to a 7.62 X 39, but close. A 25/35 is close. It would do as good at least , probably better than a 357 in a rifle. Very light, very "handi", short, supposed to be very accurate, no recoil, not noisy. If they come down a little I will pick one up.
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2012, 07:32:34 AM »
JMHO... why bother.  Way to expensive for a questionable limited use puny little cartridge.  The "outdated", "underpowered" 30-30 is way better, cheaper, easier to get ammo.  And very accurate.

Maybe if you're going suppressed it might be worth it.

And I'd prefer 357 anything for hunting to this oddball any day - Hornady ammo...but, JMHO... 

I get tired of marketeers pushing questionable stuff just to take our money.

And if it's so great why is he selling it?
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2012, 09:28:13 AM »
JMHO... why bother.  Way to expensive for a questionable limited use puny little cartridge.  The "outdated", "underpowered" 30-30 is way better, cheaper, easier to get ammo.  And very accurate.

Maybe if you're going suppressed it might be worth it.

And I'd prefer 357 anything for hunting to this oddball any day - Hornady ammo...but, JMHO... 

I get tired of marketeers pushing questionable stuff just to take our money.

And if it's so great why is he selling it?

Well said, I couldn't agree more, if a fella isn't interested in shooting it suppressed or with subsonic big bullets which can utilize the fast twist, there's just no justification for it, a 30-30 or 7.62x39 will do just as well for 99% of us at considerably lower cost. ;)

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2012, 09:36:02 AM »
JMHO... why bother.  Way to expensive for a questionable limited use puny little cartridge.  The "outdated", "underpowered" 30-30 is way better, cheaper, easier to get ammo.  And very accurate.

Maybe if you're going suppressed it might be worth it.

And I'd prefer 357 anything for hunting to this oddball any day - Hornady ammo...but, JMHO... 

I get tired of marketeers pushing questionable stuff just to take our money.

And if it's so great why is he selling it?

Well said, I couldn't agree more, if a fella isn't interested in shooting it suppressed or with subsonic big bullets which can utilize the fast twist, there's just no justification for it, a 30-30 or 7.62x39 will do just as well for 99% of us at considerably lower cost. ;)

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Another good point Tim... I forgot about its barrel.
 IIRC its fit with a 1:7 twist barrel, making it nice for long bullets but not so good for shorter ones... The jury is still out, if it will stabulize a 125 or 150g. This is about the biggest bullet that is likely going to be suitable for deer simply because the small case capacity cannot get a heavier bullet going fast enough to produce acceptable ballistics for hunting big game.

The 30-30 and 7.62x39 are better choices.  ;)

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2012, 11:50:50 AM »
JMHO... why bother.  Way to expensive for a questionable limited use puny little cartridge.  The "outdated", "underpowered" 30-30 is way better, cheaper, easier to get ammo.  And very accurate.

Maybe if you're going suppressed it might be worth it.

And I'd prefer 357 anything for hunting to this oddball any day - Hornady ammo...but, JMHO... 

I get tired of marketeers pushing questionable stuff just to take our money.

And if it's so great why is he selling it?
+1 agree completely !! Most of the ammo has a match bullet or a varmint type bullet where the penetration and weight retention are non existent for the most part. The muzzle energy is less than 500 ft lbs and as said the 30-30 has 4 times that with the Hornady LE ammo. Fun for target shooting, I bet its a blast, for deer or hog JMHO not a good idea at all !!

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2012, 11:52:07 AM »
I had a really good rant going and poked the wrong button and lost it. Was going to just forget it, but read more recent posts, just can't.
The big game in the US was made practically extinct even before the introduction of smokeless powder, by the time the 30/30 came on the scene it was mostly gone. A very small percentage of the shooters today will ever fire at anything larger than a whitetail, if that. For the vast majority it will range from a B29 to a beer can. Almost all the development has been in bigger and bigger cartridges, like the Remington Ultra mags, the 375 Ruger etc. They have all the beauty and utility of nuts on a nun. They are strictly ego driven, by city people who spend a few days a year in the woods, go on guided hunts, donate the meat (what is left) to a homeless shelter, and then hang  a 150-170-190 inch rack in their "man cave" because the wife would not be caught dead with one in the living room. Or they are coveted by youngsters who can show off their bruises from recoil and dream of someday earning enough to become one of the above mentioned and maybe go to Africa or Alaska.
    By the time I was born there were 3 cartridges already available that were perfectly suited to handle any North American game, the 222 Remington, the 257 Roberts, and the 30-06 Gov't. Like everything else though, the "magnumization" of America had begun, bigger just had to be better.  Cars, houses, .......waist lines ::)
     Those monsters are expensive to own, to feed, and to find a place to shoot. How far do you need to drive to really test a 300 RUM, where is the nearest 600 meter range? How often can you shoot it? At what cost per round? You need pretty good glass also, to see that far, have such minute adjustments, and still take the recoil. Bragging rights, maybe, utility..... near zero.
      The little 7.62X39 is very practical, but I don't see one being made here today. The 32/20 is the same + off the charts on my nostalgia meter, they are not making that either. If H&R were making this (300AAC)  it could be made for $259.95, not $425. Trying to run 8 gr of unique in a 30/30 case with a 93 gr cast  also concerns me a bit. As long as everyone keeps slobbering all over the "ubermagnumloudenboomers" that is all we will get. Which one of you have the reverse reamer right now? You know, the one that shrinks chambers ? Allows me to rechamber my 280 to 7X30 Waters? My 243 to a 6X47MM ? My 25/06 to 25-20?
      I just looked at my "vintage Deer Hunters Bible", written by a distant relative circa 1963, it had published ballistics date for several things. The 25/20 ---   60 gr factory loading, 2250 fps, mid range trajectory 6.2" at 200 yards. That, I can/ could shoot almost anywhere, at almost anything. Not noisy, no recoil, for pennies, any decent bargain scope would handle just fine, no need to go beyond 3X9. You have to go all the way up to Elk before something bigger is an absolute necessity.
      The 300 is not the worlds greatest gun, but it does represent one thing, a deviation, if for even a moment, in a direction other than the chamber stretching, pressure spiking, ego assuaging, testosterone driven urge to be slammed backward so you can tell others how great it was.
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2012, 02:09:20 PM »
Wow two shooter...  :o
I gotta say, you really need to learn how to get things off your chest...tell us how you really feel. Keeping things inside can be detremental to ones health. ;) ::)


I agree with you as it pretains to "magnumitus". But couple other things are inaccurate. The 25-20 never has been claimed to be a big game rifle. SURE it would work and absolutely it has. (On a elk??) BUT its under powdered for the task. Even the 32-20 (one of our favorites) was not recomended as a big game caliber.

The ballistics of the 300 Blkout is nearly identicle to the Whisper. The whisper comes close to 7.62x39, the 7.62x39 approaches 30-30, BUT with a lighter bullet... 

More precisely, The lil 300 is good for just over 2000fps... The 7.62 is good for 2450fps and  the 30-30 gets 2400fps, but with a bullet weight of 150g NOT 125g like the other two... So where do we draw the line?

Personally for me, I like 1000-1200 fp of energy on target for deer. I also like large diameter bullets. (The 300 is/has plenty of diameter)

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2012, 02:57:24 PM »
Well said twoshooter. I have two 300BLKs, one in an AR and one in an encore.  Both are very fun guns to shoot with subsonic ammo and the kids enjoy shooting them.   And I'll probably get an H&R when it gets a bit easier to find one.


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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2012, 04:11:05 PM »
Why would you want to get the expensive 300 Black out / Whisper out of a single shot when a 30-30 can be done cheaper and have more athority on game.
Not sure why the 30-30 is called so ineffictive but everyone is willing to adopt a slower version.
I can understand why out of an auto loader but not out of a Handi.
Plus every gun shop has either 30-30 or 308Win.

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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2012, 04:12:49 PM »
Thanks E36. Hey CW, look at my post, I said that a 25/20, when stretched to the max, can be a DEER cartridge, never on Elk. I would not recommend a 25/20 on a big buck and side shots. On a medium to small deer, under 100 yards, it should be ok if you can shoot. That 25/20 load has about as much energy at 100 yards as a 45 acp has at 25 yards, about 365 lbs. I know that the frontal area is smaller. The 300- Can this be an adequate deer cartridge. Yes it can. Are there better choices for deer? Yes, there is. That devolves immediately into " since there are better cartridges for killing deer, why do they make this one?" Because killing deer is not the ONLY or BEST use for every gun. The next subject I address is that R&D on moderate to light weapons is practically nil. The 17HMR and the 204 Ruger are the only real small bore developments in decades. The handgun escalation has went right on up into the 50 caliber range. This rifle at the beginning of this post is the first new thing in a long time I can think of that was not an INCREASE of anything over existing cartridges. It is just like coming out and asking everyone what you want on your pizza when you go to a restaurant. You say, "I don't want pizza, I did not go to a pizza place. I want a porkchop and mashed potatoes. They say, hey, everybody wants pizza, pizza is good, what you want on your pizza? And you say"I don't want pizza". So they say"hey, what's wrong with you, you don't want pizza? Why would anyone,how could anyone want something besides pizza? They shouldn't even make anything but pizza.  :o
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2012, 04:34:55 PM »
The problem I see with marginal calibers are that they do require proper shot placement and the need to be used within the proper range.  Well.....most hunters are very poor shoots, and they over estimate their and their gun's capabilities.  I can't tell you how many bullets I have skinned out between an Elks skin ad the fascia.  I would rather see the once a year shooter/hunter use an over powered mag. and make a fairly humane kill.

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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2012, 05:54:12 PM »
The problem I see with marginal calibers are that they do require proper shot placement and the need to be used within the proper range.  Well.....most hunters are very poor shoots, and they over estimate their and their gun's capabilities.  I can't tell you how many bullets I have skinned out between an Elks skin ad the fascia.  I would rather see the once a year shooter/hunter use an over powered mag. and make a fairly humane kill.
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2012, 07:11:10 PM »
I have no doubt that what you say is true. It is just that here as well as many places there is only one standard applied, is this rifle/ cartridge combination in the "optimum " range as a deer gun ? That is really the ONLY question being asked, as applied to all new developments, therefore , DEER guns are all that anyone talks up, and deer guns are all that we get. I see more deer in a day than many hunters see in 20 years, I have counted more than 165 at one time from a good vantage point within a mile of some of my property. I have a dozen guns that are legal for deer, perfect for shots from 50 to 600 yards.
     Varmint guns have come a long way also, I bought one of the first Remington 700 BDL varmint rifles ever made, in 243, had to free float the barrel, epoxy bed the action, work on a load for a long time. I got a 1/2 inch load after all that. I bought an out of the box Savage Tactical rifle that put the 3rd load I worked on into .600 at 100 yards, AND will hold that out past 300 yards (1.80") and I have a  4 5/8" group I shot with it @ 540 yards. There are enough "deer guns" or "varmint guns" to fill a pickup bed.Dime a dozen.
     So why do I seem a little HEATED at times? BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS BESIDES DEER. And if you want a rifle for that SOMEONE must build it. We have a problem with armadillos and gophers on our local golf course. If they get back to their hole and die it smells to high heaven, they would be calling in a backhoe to dig it up. That would not make members happy. So, download that 300 winchester , right ? And watch the ladies defecate on themselves when you pull that out of your golf bag. How about that hawk that is always hanging around  watching for your rabbits. Want to take a shot at him in a tree with that 30/30? Want to go for a stroll in the winter and maybe pick up a couple rabbits for some stew? The tomcat that is in your friends back yard that always tears his tabby up and eats the food? Want something quiet, or maybe breakout that  338 Lapua and put a pillow over it?
     Three weeks a year I get to hunt deer. Often my season ends in 2-3 hours. I could stretch it by waiting on some  buck of mythical proportions, but I have other things to do, and I do NOT hunt horn, I do not need to "own more bone". A week or so ago I had the last of last years harvest in spaghetti. Last year I used my 500 Handi. Year before it was my 444 Handi. That is great. For 3 hours. Just what do I do for the other 8757 hours? My Savage weighs about 14 pounds with scope, bipod, sling etc.
    Know what works great? A  12" 256 Winchester Contender barrel on a carbine stock with a 6X Leupold. Problem is, that would be slightly illegal.  Hard to load for. Brass and ammo not on every shelf. Those little Talo 357's are pretty sweet also. So would a 6.5 AAC  Talo ,IF they made one. Or a AAC 6mm, or 257 Talo.  They don't even make 7.62X39 any more.
       SOMEBODY made a 300AAC even shorter than a TALO, even lighter than a TALO, maybe one that could shoot 85 gr .312 JHP that would explode on impact and therefore never could ricochet . It could use 100 gr SP's designed for a 30 carbine that would expand quickly and not over penetrate. You could shoot a coyote and not worry about the barn 100 yards behind him. If you saw that armadillo at 125 yards you would not have to worry so much about making it back to the hole like with a 22 mag. You could pop rabbits with 90 gr HBWC very downloaded. And you could do it with a round that could be bought factory made if necessary, one based on a case that is so plentiful and cheap that most AR shooters I know dont even pick up their brass. It MIGHT be able to do SO MANY things, so, what do I hear........ CRAP because it is not great at doing the ONE thing that everything else already does!!
    I have come to love my Handi's over the last few years, they are quirky, odd, great little guns. This one might turn out to be a good one. If not, the other choice would be to cough up $300 or so for a custom contender barrel to make a carbine legal. I hear all the time here all the atta boy's and "go for it" when everyone starts wanting to ream out that metal, pour in more powder, seat an even bigger bullet. Hell, lets just rifle a 10ga and get some 20mm cases back from the Airforce after anti tank practice runs. Our new wildcat...I shot two rounds in Pennsylvania and now my scope is in West Virginia and my shoulder was dislocated so bad that now I reach UP to tie my shoes. Ain't it wunnerful!
    Let's at least wait and see, if it turns out to be a flop, so be it, but lets not kill it before we know. Later Dudes, I am overdue for my beauty rest..... the mirror says this just aint makin it, and my low blood sugar is showing, tomorrow is another day, night all.
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2012, 07:41:23 PM »
Is it a "good" choice for a Deer rifle......NO.  Will it kill a Deer......Yes.  However, I can kill a Deer with my Wrist Rocket.

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2012, 10:20:35 PM »
Maybe you mean H&R doesn't make a 7.62x39 anymore if they did at one time or another, I'm not sure. There's quite a few gun companies that chamber this round. CZ 527, Armalite, Century Arms, Bushmaster, DPMS, Ruger M77 and Mini Thirty, Savage 10FCM, Sig, Rossi, MMI, Inter Ordnance, and a company called PTR all build rifles in 7.62x39. In your first post you mentioned the recent posts and mine was just before yours, I wasn't saying the company shouldn't build the guns just that in MHO I don't think it would be considered a deer rifle or should be used as a deer rifle. If you don't handload then the ammo available is almost all match or varmint bullets that will not hold together or penetrate anywhere near enough to make a proper and humane kill. I don't think the animals should suffer and some guys ( by no means all ) but some guys will think because it has the bullet diameter that it does then popping a 150-200 lb hog at 250 or 300 yards will do just great. It may be very accurate, in fact extremely accurate and may be a blast to target shoot with. I may have completely misunderstood your post and I apologize sir if I did. I haven't bought into the magnum mania stuff nor have I ever or now own or owned a rifle that has a belted cartridge. I'll admit I do like the 240 Weatherby and 257 Weatherby but don't own either. Never been to Africa or Alaska and have no man cave. I also don't even think about what was done 100-200 years ago because it really doesn't matter in today's world, they hunted with what was available at the time and had no other choice if they were going to gun hunt. They also hunted out of need for food more than anything else so we agree on that. I have no mounts at all nor have I ever. You mentioned the 280Rem, 243 Win, 25-06 Rem, 30-30 Win, and the 22 mag, I don't know if these are guns you have but these are the 5 rifles I currently own. 22mag and 25-06 are bolt guns and the other 3 are H&R's. My dad had a 32-20 nickle revolver that he sold when I was about 8 years old, I'd do anything to be able to have that gun but wouldn't hunt deer with it. I agree that there are too many chamberings and it really makes no sense. I love the 30-30 and with the Hornady LE or if you load your own you can certainly improve the ballistics and capabilities of this cartridge. I do believe it still has it's limitations where distance is concerned and wouldn't try to stretch it out beyond it's capabilities. JMHO, I'm very big on humane quick kills and bullet placement is of extreme importance. Another thread going is the question asking does a bigger caliber with a bigger bullet make up for a poor shot and I say no sir, no way. Again, If I did not understand your post sir then I apologize very much. I will say this though as I end, in the great US of A everyone is certainly entitled to do what they want, I may not always agree with it but that's okay and people don't have to agree with me and that's okay too. Nite all !! :)

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2012, 11:09:39 PM »
Why would you want to get the expensive 300 Black out / Whisper out of a single shot when a 30-30 can be done cheaper and have more athority on game.
Not sure why the 30-30 is called so ineffictive but everyone is willing to adopt a slower version.
I can understand why out of an auto loader but not out of a Handi.
Plus every gun shop has either 30-30 or 308Win.
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   My view exactly mcwooduck;
   Unless there is a special situation where someone has to hunt..why go to the blackout or whisper?  There are great standard cartridges that would do the job better and not cost nearly so much..with availability being a strong point.  Doesn't have to be a super-duper magnum..the grand ,old thutty-thutty has been a great deer/black bear cartridge for over a century..as well as the 30-06. Then comes the .243, .270 & .308  ... why go exotic?
  Rifles?  On the street a Savage Axis, Ruger American or Mossy can be bought for that price..while a H&R in a more standard round can be had for even less.
  But "to each his own"..that's what makes the shooting world interesting..
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2012, 01:20:15 AM »
     There, I feel MUCH better now. The meds are kicking in , I have a large supper ingested, hopefully do one is overly offended, but those necessary are offended the right amount, I am feeling more mellow so it is your turn to pontificate.   ??? ::) :-*

Morning Two shooter,

No offence taken, no need for apologies!  For the most part we think alike, the written word kinda gets in the way sometimes and our truest meanings are clouded.

I agree its good to see new calibers coming out without the "magnum" moniker.  ;) ;D

I am sure it will be a fun caliber to play with. I'm also sure a few deer will fall to it as well!  ;)

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2012, 04:21:50 AM »
Morning Gentlemen. I have had my coffee, things are looking better. Clean the chimney, check the stove firebricks, doing inventory on reloading supplies before they get totally insane with pre-election mania.
     Huey Lewis wanted a "new drug". I want a new LITTLE handi. IF I dont get one, I will buy a super 16" for my contender eventually, probably a 6.5 TCU if that happens, or better yet, a 30 Herrett. People fixate on things. I saw an ad for cars the other day that asked "how many buttons your computer had? None, Why should your car?" They want you to have cars that are all touch screen. I want a car that has a magneto so if the battery is gone it will still start and run if you roll it downhill. People are waiting on Iphone 5, it will take pictures, buy stocks, monitor your heart rate and blood sugar, go shopping for you, take credit cards. I would like one that I can dial a number without it asking me how I am feeling and would I like fries with that. I also would like a lawnmower that has a throttle instead of a governor, so I can give it more gas when I feel like it. In this market driven economy, why is it that I can buy everything I DON"T want, and almost nothing that I do ? Go figure.
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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2012, 05:46:22 AM »
When I was doing the Contender thing I had a hankerin' for the 6.5 TCU.... I had a 7mmTCU and a 357 and 30 Herrett, found them neat, but in the long run, more trouble than they where worth. A 30-30 carbine barrel did the 30 Herrett in, the 14" Maxi did the 357 Herrett in and the TCU was sold off with a frame. Playing with the hand's filled the gap left by my Contenders.

I did get to play with a friends 6x47. He lost one arm and alot of stregnth in the other in a bouby trap in Nam, back in '71. He cannot tolerate recoil, so he built this on a Remmy 600 IIRC... Works wonderfully with the old 85G Partitions. Accurate beyond all expectations. Just a slick little rifle.

Sorry for the hijack... I just remembered this is a post about the 300 blk on deer!!  :-[ :-[

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2012, 06:53:51 AM »
Why would you want to get the expensive 300 Black out / Whisper out of a single shot when a 30-30 can be done cheaper and have more athority on game.
Not sure why the 30-30 is called so ineffictive but everyone is willing to adopt a slower version.
I can understand why out of an auto loader but not out of a Handi.
Plus every gun shop has either 30-30 or 308Win.
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   My view exactly mcwooduck;
   Unless there is a special situation where someone has to hunt..why go to the blackout or whisper?  There are great standard cartridges that would do the job better and not cost nearly so much..with availability being a strong point.  Doesn't have to be a super-duper magnum..the grand ,old thutty-thutty has been a great deer/black bear cartridge for over a century..as well as the 30-06. Then comes the .243, .270 & .308  ... why go exotic?
  Rifles?  On the street a Savage Axis, Ruger American or Mossy can be bought for that price..while a H&R in a more standard round can be had for even less.
  But "to each his own"..that's what makes the shooting world interesting..
I understand the draw for the exotic rounds.  One of my weird guns I want is a custom CZ 527 in 30 Mini Whisper (30 Mauser with heavy bullets and a mag that will shoot the 30 mauser) But that is on top of the 3- 308 Win rifles I have, the 338 WM, the 30-06, the 375H&H  and the 4 -223 rifles that will fill all of my hunting needs of almost every type of terrain. 
I can see using a 300 Black out for shooting Deer or Pigs with the heaviest bullets at the 1200 FPS to keep neighbors from complaining and keeping the shots under 70 yards.  But then again the a hand loaded 30-30, 308, 30-06 can all do the same thing and give the ability to shoot factory rounds.  Actuall a hand loaded 338 Fed or 35 Rem, or other larger caliber would put a heaviest bullet at that same speed.
I mean after all if you were going to shoot something at 1200 FPS ypou would want it to be the heaviest bullet possible.  If you are going to throw a ball at 50 MPH would you rather throw a whiffle ball or a bowling ball?

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Re: Would this be a good deer rifle
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2012, 06:54:23 AM »
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I agree its good to see new calibers coming out without the "magnum" moniker.  ;) ;D

I am sure it will be a fun caliber to play with. I'm also sure a few deer will fall to it as well!  ;)

I'm with you guys on this one. Not all of us have a shoulder that can handle magnum recoil. Some of us have bad tinnitus and appreciate a quiet rifle. Some of us like to take shots of opportunity at small game while we're out deer hunting. Some of us are on a budget and can't afford a specialized rifle for every occasion. The 300 Blackout seems like a nice choice for a multi-purpose rifle. I hope it does well.

I chose the .357 Max for the exact same reasons listed above.
 
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