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Iran plans to sail it's navy off of Americas shores.
« on: September 04, 2012, 06:13:12 AM »
Iran's navy aims to sail off US shores soon  Published September 04, 2012
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  •    Jan. 1, 2012: In this image made available by the Iranian Students News Agency, an Iranian navy vessel launches a missile during a drill at the sea of Oman. (AP)
  The head of Iran's navy says the country aims to put its warships in international waters off the U.S. coast "in the next few years."
The comments Tuesday from Admiral Habibollah Sayyari on state TV are part of Iran's response to Washington's beefed up naval presence in the Persian Gulf.
 
The U.S. Navy's 5th fleet is based in Bahrain -- across the gulf from Iran -- and the U.S. plans maritime war games later this month.
Iran has made similar claims in the past that its ships could soon sail into international waters off the U.S. coast.
Tehran and Washington have been in odd over Tehran's nuclear ambitions that the West suspects it has aimed at weapon. Iran denies the charge.

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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2012, 06:22:58 AM »
 
   So long as they stay in international waters, they have an absolute right to be there.  They take spectacular delight in seeing us overeact and go into high anxiety every time they make a statement about anything.  Our press just eats it up.
 
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2012, 07:23:15 AM »

   So long as they stay in international waters, they have an absolute right to be there.  They take spectacular delight in seeing us overeact and go into high anxiety every time they make a statement about anything.  Our press just eats it up.
 
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2012, 07:40:37 AM »
They are international waters for a reason.

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2012, 07:49:17 AM »
I think that's GREAT!!!
That way we don't have to travel as far to blow them out of the water when the time comes.

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2012, 08:00:14 AM »
I think that's GREAT!!!
That way we don't have to travel as far to blow them out of the water when the time comes.

LMAO.  Love that statement.  Great, you are in International waters.  So what?  I'll be willing to bet they will be shadowed by a submarine force and an AC carrier. 
It's all a hot mess...........

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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2012, 08:47:20 AM »
I think that's GREAT!!!
That way we don't have to travel as far to blow them out of the water when the time comes.

we can agree ..........
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2012, 09:47:45 AM »
Problem is right now over half our navy is in mothballs.  We have 12 operational carriers and only about 6 of these are operational at any one time.  We also have about 10-12 in mothballs.  Same with cruisers, destroyers, and subs.  Reagans 600 ship Navy is down to about 200 right now.  I think we should keep a large navy.  We can not only protect our two coasts, but be able to carry a battle to where 90% of the people live, within 600 miles of an ocean, and 600 miles is usually the range of carrier planes.  Not only that, but 4 battleships were refitted with cruise missles back in the 1980s. They kept their 16" guns, and most had about 10 turrents of double 5" guns. They took out two of these 5" turrents in the rear of the battleships and installed cruise missle launchers.  This gives the battleships about a 1,200 mile range.  The Iowa, Wisconsin, New Jersy, and Missouri, were the last and biggest battleships built and were the ones refitted.  Reagan had the electronics and wireing upgraded and the cruise missles installed.  The upgrades costs as much as a destroyer for each, but with the battleships, you got far more bang for the buck.  When there is a troublesome area in the world, a president always asks where the nearest carrier is.   
 
Reagan I think had at least two carriers in every ocean at the same time.  I miss Reagan.  I was financially better off during his administration than any other. 

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 09:56:09 AM »
wonder how long it would take to take those ships out of mothballs ?
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 11:58:43 AM »
DIXIE DUDE. I may be wrong but I didn't think that we still have any active battleships. I always had a soft spot for those big ol war wagons. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 01:10:08 PM »
We don't, they are in mothballs.  They may have already been given over for museums.  Over half our old navy is in mothballs.  We do not even have the manpower to bring them back.  It would take a minimum of 6 months to recruit, train, and activate the ships.  It is like WWII.  It took us about 6 months to finally stop the Japanese and/or to invade North Africa.  You have basic training, then training for each mans particular field or skill, so that takes at least 5 months.  Most newer ships use less manpower, but the guys have a higher standard since new ships are more sophisticated.  The old battleships were more brawn than brains.  The average GI and Sailor in WWII had an 8th grade education. 
 
I think in order to save some money.  Activate and restore the Navy to more strength.  Then after moving out of Iraq and Afghanistan, let the Army go down except for special forces, but the National Guard and Reserves increase in numbers.  Air Force, don't know. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 01:17:50 PM »
 
That’s a long way for the Iranians to come to donate ship hulls to the US artificial reef program, but I’m all for it.  Hopefully they end up shallow enough for recreational divers to visit.
 

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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 01:34:01 PM »
I think that's GREAT!!!
That way we don't have to travel as far to blow them out of the water when the time comes.

we can agree ..........

Why of course we can.
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2012, 01:41:32 PM »
China owns us. why do we need a Navy? let them take care of us. Any thing China dont have the russians own. The clown has taken care of that.

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2012, 08:13:52 PM »
China owns us. why do we need a Navy? let them take care of us. Any thing China dont have the russians own. The clown has taken care of that.
We have been slowly and subtly sold out to China since Bush Sr. left office. I witnessed the San Gabriel Valley in southern California gradually turn into "Hong Kong West" as I grew up. The blame should not be pinned on any one man or administration but to those who saw dollar signs and allowed them to purchase property over here; been to LA lately (and that was going on since Reagan was in office); and also the companies that outsourced American labor overseas. Americans have to earn more money to support our high off the hog lifestyles. Most corporations decided they simply weren't going to do it anymore. Just business in their eyes, I guess.

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2012, 12:36:44 AM »
The federal government's tax structure and regulations don't help.  I know, I work with their regulations all the time. About doubled the last 4 years.  Also trade agreements with third world countries hasn't helped.  Their LACK of regulations and LOW tax structure makes it almost impossible to do business especially manufacturing here. 

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2012, 08:48:47 PM »
Please do tell me about this modern missile technology that relegates Aircraft Carriers and Battle Ships to Dinosaurs.  Cuase I retired as a weapons tech in 2006 with the military and have a pretty detailed knowledge regarding weapons and tactics used in Naval Warfare and although its been 6 years since I last built a missile or a bomb, things have changed very little.  In fact during my 21 years in the military not only did I qualify for my war fare pins, I was also chosen from the top 10% of my source rating as a instructor at an Advance Weapons Training Facility at NAS North Island to fill a CNO Priority Billet.  In addition I also worked on a couple of occasions with Texas Insturments Weapons Division for a weapons program they had going before it was bought out by Raytheon.

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 10:16:11 PM »
I work for Raytheon now and I can tell you straight up that if you've been out of the loop for 6 years, you've missed a whole lot!!! Can't discuss it, won't discuss it, but 6 years can be an entire generation in weapons systems. Missile and radar technology have advanced beyond what most would have thought possible just a few years ago.
Battleships, although beautiful representatives of American Naval power, are now obsolete. Cruise missiles, guided missile destroyers and the new Zumwalt class Destoyers (in service 2013) have put the ol' "battlewagons" to bed.
Flattops are still the "cream of the American Naval crop" and will continue to be for several more years.
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2012, 12:18:22 AM »
Problem is right now over half our navy is in mothballs. 
most are old ships we don't have all that much use for, I'll guess?
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We have 12 operational carriers and only about 6 of these are operational at any one time. 
Someone has to be in overhaul or training, sometime...
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We also have about 10-12 in mothballs.
Carriers? No way. Maybe if you count up LPHs and worn-out ships... but attack carriers? The only one we have in 'mothballs' are those that haven't been scrapped yet, and are fifty years old. I've not counted, lately.
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I think we should keep a large navy. 
Dude, we've got the biggest navy in the world. If you count up tonnage, prob more than all of Europe combined (just a guess). If you're counting carriers & planes on flightdecks, MORE than the entire world combined (again, a guess, but a good one I'll bet)
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Not only that, but 4 battleships...  but with the battleships, you got far more bang for the buck.
Many an old salt gets teary-eyed at the sight of an Iowa, but fact is they were manning hogs, of dubious worth for the dollar spent. A couple modern DDs with VLS farms can do far more for less (but aren't as pretty, I'll admit)


I'm shiverin' at the thought of an Iranian ship close to American shores - recommission the Hood! I mean, the Iowa...
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2012, 12:46:31 AM »

   So long as they stay in international waters, they have an absolute right to be there.  They take spectacular delight in seeing us overeact and go into high anxiety every time they make a statement about anything.  Our press just eats it up.
 
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  You guys seem to forget..  If obama is re-immaculated, he plans on cutting our Navy to pre-WW1 levels..totalling somewhere over 200 ships..  http://defense.aol.com/2012/03/30/navy-shrinking-while-obama-pivots-to-asia-does-not-add-up/
 
  He plans on cutting the rest of our military commensurately...which of course, means that terrorists and tin pot dictators will start pressing us on every front.
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2012, 02:32:30 AM »
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He plans on cutting the rest of our military commensurately...which of course, means that terrorists and tin pot dictators will start pressing us on every front.

 
All part of imam obamas plan to destroy us. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2012, 02:40:01 AM »
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He plans on cutting the rest of our military commensurately...which of course, means that terrorists and tin pot dictators will start pressing us on every front.

 
All part of imam obamas plan to destroy us. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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  Deductive reasoning seems to say you're correct..
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2012, 03:14:58 AM »
The navy does have look down Doplar radar that they can see these missles coming.  The have or are installing weapons that can shoot them down, like high speed Gatlin type guns and Patriot type missles.  It does require the Navy to keep the radar planes airborne all the time and also some fighters that have the shoot down missles that can kill these cruise missles.  Standard ground or ship based radar can't pick them up, but the new Doplar type radar can.  This new radar can tell how much rain has fallen in a given area.  I use it from NOAA for some of my projects because the EPA requires me to keep up with how much rain is over my projects.  If it rains over 3/4" I have to survey the areas for run off silt or mud and make sure my silt fences and hay bales are keeping silt from getting into nearby streams.  The new aircraft carriers, cruisers, and destroyers are being equiped with the new rail guns, Gatlin guns, Patriot missles just for these ground hugging missles.  Also keeping planes constantly airborne and patroling around the fleet helps with this also.  Also keeping up with where potential enemy subs and ships are is also necessary. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2012, 04:22:31 AM »
  The military hardware game is one of attack/defend..  When a new aggressive weapon is developed..almost immediately defensive weapons are developed to follow suit.  There is little doubt they can stop these newer, faster weapons.
  Where the fly is in the ointment is where the enemy may use a nuclear bomb.  The nuclear device doesn't have to hit the target...but resulting radiation can make ships inoperable.
  Cruising off our coast, an Iranian destroyer or even a disguised fishing boat, can launch an EMP device..about 3 of them can cripple our entire country..sending us back to the 17th century.
   Precisely why the Iranian crackpots should not possess nuclear technology...so long as they remain nutsy..
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2012, 05:20:24 AM »
the Russians had nuclear weapons armed submarines off out coast for years


Nazi subs sunk our ships within sight of our east coast.


a Japanese sub lobbed some shells into California


what do we do? same thing we did with the Russians...dog them and monitor
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2012, 06:17:59 AM »
  The military hardware game is one of attack/defend..  When a new aggressive weapon is developed..almost immediately defensive weapons are developed to follow suit.  There is little doubt they can stop these newer, faster weapons.
'little doubt'? Well, maybe sometimes they would get stopped, if the receiving ship was really really really lucky... but not often. The idea that ASMs get stopped, and easily by CIWS and missiles/guns -?- that's Tom Clancy fantasy, and foolish. It was untrue in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s (mytime in service) and moreso today. Look at distance to horizon ... measure from radar, 75' about water - count how long it takes missile running in EMCON to get to you, from time of detection. Not long. It's a serious problem, always has been, and that was before supersonic skimmers with smart guidance systems running passively. Ref USS Stark, pls...
 
In 1987 the USS Stark was hit by 2 Sunburns from 15 km out from an Iranian Jet launched variant and almost sunk,,,,caught wholely unaware. In fact the US Navy in sheer hubris court marshaled several high level officers for this faux paus rather than admit a problem.
TM7 means to write that the Stark was hit by a couple French-made Exocets - neither of which was detected by Stark's SLQ-32 operator, or radar, or engaged by Phalanx... only smoke trails seen at last minute by lookout utilizing Mark 1 Mod 0 Eyeball, and too late to call GQ by then.
 
Now get this - Stark knew the plane was there, detected the A/C's radar... and never detected the missiles. BOOM BOOM 
 
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2012, 08:49:31 AM »
another thing to keep in mind is that as good as the phalanx is...from what i've read, it can locate and neutralize 20 incoming missiles, all the Iranians have to do is launch 21 missiles.


simple tactics defeated Hitler and napoleon just to name two; are we making the same mistakes? we're strung out all over the globe. could we supply all our troops and allies in a real toe-to-toe slug-fest? probably not for long...we were nearly out of ammo and there were no more tomahawk cruise missiles left at the end of the first war in Iraq; it didn't even last two full months.


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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2012, 11:04:52 AM »
The aircraft carriers have more than one Phalanx gun.  Several, also the support ships, subs and planes.  That being said, there was someone on the internet that worked at a bomb factory in Jackson, Tennessee back during the first stages of the Iraqi war.  They said they were working 3 shifts 7 days a week to restock what was used.  We have relied on our nukes for final backup in a full scale war.  We could not at this time fight a WWII style war.  If it weren't for the cruise missles, and smart bombs, we would have had far more casualties in the Iraqi war.  We destroyed their ability to fight in the first week to 10 days from the air. 
 
A surface vessel usually cannot detect something quick enough with the radar they use.  It is or was originally made for higher flying airplanes.  If they had the Doplar radar plane up, it could have detected it once launched.  Depending on how close the original plane launching it is allowed to fire it.  If we had fighters up to force them away, it might not have been shot. 
 
Something else I found out.  Back in the 80's when they activated the battleships, one of the reasons for their reactivation was their 16" armor.  An Exocet would have only scratched the paint on these ships.  No conventional weapon currently in operation anywhere in the world can penetrate the old battleships hulls.  Only reason they deactivated them is they are old technology and take a couple thousand sailors to operate them.  A modern cruiser only takes a couple hundred.  I think they should reactivate them, upgrade as much as possible and use them to help protect the aircraft carriers.  Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin were the largest and last built.  Alabama, South Dakota, Massachusetts, and Indiana, were made on the same lines, but the last 4 were stretched several 160 longer maxing out the limits of the Panama canal.  Alabama, Massachusetts, and North Carolina are museums, as are the 4 big ones, but are kept in good condition and could be bought back from the respective states and reactivated if ever needed.  North Carolina and Washington were the same size as the Alabama but had somewhat different guns.  All of them had the 16" guns.  The Washington and Indiana were scrapped.  Thus if the navy so needed could call back up the 7 from Museums and reactivate them.  The 4 largest had their electronics upgraded and 4 5" battery guns (two on each side) were made into cruise missile launchers giving them a 1500 mile hit range.  The big 16" guns could pound beachheads, and they had some type of 16" missiles developed that could launch through the barrels and gave them I think a 100 mile range.  Future upgrades were to have 200 mile range railguns. 
 
The reason for their retirement was the $58 million a year operating cost.   

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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2012, 11:51:48 AM »
another thing to keep in mind is that as good as the phalanx is...from what i've read, it can locate and neutralize 20 incoming missiles, all the Iranians have to do is launch 21 missiles.
CIWS ain't near that good... it wouldn't take anywhere near 20 missiles to saturate defense of a sincle ship.
 
The aircraft carriers have more than one Phalanx gun.  Several, also the support ships, subs and planes.
They'll need all that and more, should they ever go up against a nation with a 1st class navy/air force.
 
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A surface vessel usually cannot detect something quick enough with the radar they use.  It is or was originally made for higher flying airplanes.  If they had the Doplar radar plane up, it could have detected it once launched.
and a carrier with E-2 orbiting its escorts & radiating is hollering, "here I am, a target!" for a 1st class airforce/navy.
 
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Something else I found out.  Back in the 80's when they activated the battleships, one of the reasons for their reactivation was their 16" armor.
Iowas don't have armor that thick except on tiny conning tower space & turret faces; belt is internal & a max of 12" or so, though it is inclined and has an inch or so of decapping STS outboard.
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  An Exocet would have only scratched the paint on these ships.   
It would have done more than that. The Brits experimented with Seaslug and a concrete warhead in the 60s... no problem going through armor. And you don't need to go through a lot of main armor to mission-kill a battleship; the Bismarck was reduced to a wreck with very few belt penetrations. Also... back in the 80s (30 years ago!) when Iowas were reactivated, the Russians had missiles FAR more potent than the Exocet, which is a relatively small SSM... and the missiles they/Chinese have now, are much more potent than what was avail then.
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No conventional weapon currently in operation anywhere in the world can penetrate the old battleships hulls.
A few sunburns would handily scupper an Iowa, I think.
 
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Only reason they deactivated them is they are old technology and take a couple thousand sailors to operate them.  A modern cruiser only takes a couple hundred.  I think they should reactivate them, upgrade as much as possible and use them to help protect the aircraft carriers.
Start a thread; I can make a pretty good case that they're terrible for the task you envision.
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Alabama, Massachusetts, and North Carolina are museums, as are the 4 big ones, but are kept in good condition and could be bought back from the respective states and reactivated if ever needed. ... Thus if the navy so needed could call back up the 7 from Museums and reactivate them.
Not a prayer of that happening, and it would be huge boondoggle/waste of money. We don't need 1938 technology.
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North Carolina and Washington were the same size as the Alabama but had somewhat different guns... 
They had identical main/secondary batteries. Iowas had 16/50s instead of 16/45s.
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The 4 largest had their electronics upgraded and 4 5" battery guns (two on each side) were made into cruise missile launchers giving them a 1500 mile hit range.
you'd do better to take a modern commercial ship, load it up with electronics and VLS farm... far more missiles, much lower operating costs.
 
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The big 16" guns could pound beachheads
near-worthless for the $ today - there are better ways of 'pounding a beach'.... and besides, there's no reprise of Tarawa/Iwo Jima planned anytime soon. Fighting the last good war...
 
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The reason for their retirement was the $58 million a year operating cost.
it would be higher now, for dubious return.
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Re: Iran plans to sail it's navy off of Americas shores.
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2012, 01:46:17 PM »
My late FIL was on the North Carolina.  It took a 500# torpedo, tore a 30' diameter hole in the hull, and was still able to operate at full speed.  The torpedo killed 6 men.  So, from what I read of the Navy's intentions of the 1980's was the Russians DID NOT have anything that powerful in their CONVENTIONAL arsenal to sink a battleship.  That is one reason why the took them out o mothballs.  Reconditoning them at a cost of a frigate, however needing more manpower, especially operating the older guns. 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy