Author Topic: Far Left vs Far Right (Read 1450 times)

Dixie Dude · « **on:** August 27, 2012, 04:52:42 AM »

Observations. I have noticed that the Communist Party USA has endorced Obama for president. However, the Libertarians will not back Romney in order to defeat Obama. The government of the US is very slow moving and is huge. It is like a big ocean liner or aircraft carrier and moves slowly to turn. The left has consistantly pulled and pulled the Democrat party from the middle that is was in the 50's to the far left. No one is helping move the Republican party to the right or the nation for that matter. Reagan was able to UNITE the RIGHT for a majority to win. He pulled in evangelicals, old school Republicans, and young republicans and got a landslide majority to win. Not calling names, but the Libertarian side of American acts like little children and they will take their ball and go home, leaving the left to continue to drag down the country. Voting for the most right wing side cantidate, even if he is only 60% right, will keep tugging America back to the right and too its roots. Libertarians, and fiscally responsible TEA party leaning cantidates are gradually pulling America the other way. Now is not the time to stop. Romney isn't the best, wasn't my first, second, or third choice, but he is the most right leaning cantidate we have that has even a chance to win.

There are Supreme court justices to replace, there are numerous other judgeships to replace. There are upper level cabinet possitions to fill and replace. This may be our last chance to put on the brakes, so please think about the big ship, and getting it to turn before it runs aground. I know, I know, voting the lessor of two evils since Reagan hasn't been the best of worlds, and it has put us in two wars that wrecked the federal budget. At least Bush Sr. knew when to call off the dogs and didn't oust Hussen. He said they would be there 20 years nationbuilding, and it was two expensive. His son didn't learn that lesson. I don't think you are going to change a culture to the 21st century in a short time. Japan from the 1850's took two-three generations to become westernized enough to wage a world war with the modern technoolgy of the day.

I believe Romney can at least jump start our economy enough to lower unemployment and get things going again. I think he is smart enough to know from the Obama election in 2008, not to get involved in another unending war. I think he is much smarter on economic issues that we need to get back on track. Now, his social issues are another matter and this is where he has flip-flopped. However, at this time the economic issues far outweigh the social issues. He did say he would get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something workable. This is the main social and economic issue that has to be reversed if we are to maintain the best health care in the world. If our economy goes over the clift, we will have chaos, riots, socialism, communism, freedoms gone, you name it, with Obama it could happen. Please guys think about this and don't stay home or vote an unwinable third party. Keep tugging to the right, get involved locally and help change things to the right. The left pulls us left, not matter who the left leaning cantidate is or if they disagree with him on some issues. That is why we have gone further left.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2012, 08:29:50 AM »

Another one?!?!!?

I will refer you to this thread: http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,263360.0.html Pay paticular attention to the last couple of posts.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #2 on:** August 27, 2012, 08:43:35 AM »

one problem is that people really don't know what either party stands for . They also don't have a clue what they really are. If a 50's era democrat was alive today he might be a republican . Why are christiand far right wing ? most hate war. You could write a long book with the inconsistant names

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2012, 11:15:35 AM »

If JFK were alive and well today, and gave his "Ask Not" speech the Democrats would hang him at the very least!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #4 on:** August 28, 2012, 01:08:07 AM »

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on August 27, 2012, 11:15:35 AM

If JFK were alive and well today, and gave his "Ask Not" speech the Democrats would hang him at the very least!

yep he would be a rep !

BUGEYE · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2012, 02:06:07 AM »

We all know that the Ron Paul supporters here at GBO didn't vote for Romney in the primary.
and, I doubt if very many republicans here at GBO voted for Romney in the primary.
(I voted for Santorum)
it was the people "OUT THERE" who voted for Romney.....

So, why do the RP supporters assume that we are "all out" Romney supporters??
my man didn't win, so I'll go "all out" to try to keep obama from a second term by voting for his opponent.

In the meantime, I'll continue to support the Tea-party and all other conservative candidates.
I'll continue to try to pull that ship back on course, and discontinue calling names.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2012, 02:29:51 AM »

Same here Bugeye. The left always supports the most left cantidate. The right doesn't. You know what happened with Ross Perot, we got Clinton.

The left has gays, elitist professor type liberals, almost all blacks, 60% of the Hispanics, radical environmentalists, atheists, unions, ultra rich, and poor welfare whites. How they get them all together is more promises, and lies against Republicans.

The right has the upper middle class, business owners, professional workers, Christians, Libertarians, Tea party people, land owners, and most military people. The right attacks each other thinking their ideas are best, and will not work together to pull the country back to the right.

If the right don't work together, the left will ultimately prevail, and America will be a socialist/communist/facist state. We will end up loosing all our freedoms.

The left has LIED so much that people believe it is the truth.

The left has told everyone that Republicans will take away their social security, their medicare, that they don't care about the poor, or the environment, etc, etc. All blatant lies.

Republicans want to MODIFY social security, medicare in order to SAVE it. They do care about the environment, but not to the extent of putting our country in danger of being a net importer of food, manufactured goods, and energy. The Republicans also give MORE to charity than Democrats, because we believe charities can handle things MORE EFFICIENTLY than a big government program.

In 1960 the poor were taken care of, not by a big government bureaucracy, but by charities and chruches and families of the poor.

The elderly were taken care of by FAMILIES, not put in nursing homes.

Lets all pull together to move this big ship back to the right a little at a time.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2012, 03:16:21 AM »

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Lets all pull together to move this big ship back to the right a little at a time.

The problem with that is the very real fact that this tactic has always worked for the liberals but it has NEVER worked for conservatives. $:-\$

BUGEYE · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2012, 03:25:20 AM »

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on August 28, 2012, 03:16:21 AM

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Lets all pull together to move this big ship back to the right a little at a time.

The problem with that is the very real fact that this tactic has always worked for the liberals but it has NEVER worked for conservatives. $:-\$

that's because, as Dixie Dude said, the people on the right attack each other instead of our common enemy.
the change in that could start right here at GBO. I'm willing.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2012, 03:36:04 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on August 28, 2012, 03:25:20 AM

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on August 28, 2012, 03:16:21 AM
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Lets all pull together to move this big ship back to the right a little at a time.

The problem with that is the very real fact that this tactic has always worked for the liberals but it has NEVER worked for conservatives. $:-\$
that's because, as Dixie Dude said, the people on the right attack each other instead of our common enemy.
the change in that could start right here at GBO. I'm willing.

Glad to hear that you are going to stop denigrating Paul supporters and get on board with them!

BUGEYE · « **Reply #10 on:** August 28, 2012, 03:45:02 AM »

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on August 28, 2012, 03:36:04 AM

Quote from: BUGEYE on August 28, 2012, 03:25:20 AM
Quote from: Cuts Crooked on August 28, 2012, 03:16:21 AM
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Lets all pull together to move this big ship back to the right a little at a time.

The problem with that is the very real fact that this tactic has always worked for the liberals but it has NEVER worked for conservatives. $:-\$
that's because, as Dixie Dude said, the people on the right attack each other instead of our common enemy.
the change in that could start right here at GBO. I'm willing.

Glad to hear that you are going to stop denigrating Paul supporters and get on board with them!

If RP had got the nomination, I would indeed get on board with them. we have to remove hussein.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #11 on:** August 28, 2012, 03:59:02 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on August 28, 2012, 03:45:02 AM

If RP had got the nomination, I would indeed get on board with them. we have to remove hussein.

Duly noted........and you did not address the first part of my comment, so I'm going to assume that nothing has changed.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #12 on:** August 28, 2012, 04:12:37 AM »

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on August 28, 2012, 03:59:02 AM

Quote from: BUGEYE on August 28, 2012, 03:45:02 AM
If RP had got the nomination, I would indeed get on board with them. we have to remove hussein.

Duly noted........and you did not address the first part of my comment, so I'm going to assume that nothing has changed.

you mean the denigrating thing? in a post above, I said "discontinuing" to call names.
everyone has their own reasons for voting for certain candidates and mine leaned toward Santorum because of his stand on abortion. when obama was a state senator, he did some things that would make satan blush. obama must be removed.

ironglow · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2012, 04:15:36 AM »

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on August 28, 2012, 03:16:21 AM

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Lets all pull together to move this big ship back to the right a little at a time.

The problem with that is the very real fact that this tactic has always worked for the liberals but it has NEVER worked for conservatives. $:-\$

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Sure does work for liberals! Perot's stubborn supporters helped Clinton.. just as Ron Paul's supporters (if they withold their votes) will help Hussein..

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #14 on:** August 28, 2012, 04:17:21 AM »

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary. My choices in order were Paul, Gingrich, Santorum, then Romney. I will vote for Romney just to get Obama out. Like I said, the Left didn't take over all at once, it took them from the mid-60's until now to get this far left. It may take us that long to get America moved back to the right. Like someone said, Kennedy would be a good Republican today. He did not want to sent troops to Vietnam, but sent advisors. He stood up to the Russians. He passed a tax cut to stimulate the economy. Johnson began the social welfare programs which have grown far out of hand. Nixon was more liberal in some of his stuff, like opening up China, allowing medicaid to start, and OSHA. We just have to keep tugging America right to get back like it was in 50's and early 60's. Hopefully we can, but it may be too late.

ironglow · « **Reply #15 on:** August 28, 2012, 04:26:42 AM »

Dixie Dude;
I have to agree with you on most of your points, but there is one place where i must take issue. Let me quote you:

" We just have to keep tugging America right to get back like it was in 50's and early 60's. Hopefully we can, but it may be too late."
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I too would like to recover the morals and values of the 50s and 60s..or better yet, the 30s & 40s... However, when it comes to morals and values..the libertarians generally possess a great wasteland..one without guidance. Without commonly held morals and values..a given culture cannot continue to exist.

I said this early on and will repeat it now.. If Ron Paul were the nominee, I would support him wholeheartedly..since he is light years better than B Hussein.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #16 on:** August 28, 2012, 04:34:42 AM »

The problem as I see it is that the far right is not willing to settle for anything less. They are not willing to admit that no matter what they do they cannot drag enough of the people that far right to get their way. Nixon, Reagan, Dole, Ford, Bushes were all moderates and were able to get elected. If the far right does not want to give then they need to start looking for a piece of land to start their idea of a country as it is not going to happen in the USA.
GuzziJohn

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #17 on:** August 28, 2012, 04:43:22 AM »

At the turn of the last century, around 1900, prostitution was legal. So was drugs. Marijuana, hash, laudnium (drinkable heroin) were all legal. Prostitution was outlawed by local cities, counties, and states over a period of several years because of the spread of disease. Drugs were outlawed because of abuse, especially after alcohol was outlawed nationally. Now, do I agree with these sins, no. However, the drug war isn't working, 85% of crime is drug related, most is for minor possession. If it is legalised, controled, and taxed, it has been shown that only the same people would use them. We have an prison overcrowding condition in America, putting sex offenders, murderers, rapists, etc in jail and keeping them there will cut down on these types crime considerably. 90% of crime is also from repeat offenders. Amsterdam has legalised drugs, and their drug use rate is the same as San Francisco which is the same size and it is illegal in SF. Amsterdams incarceration rate is far less than SF's. They also have about the same number of people in drug rehab. Amsterdam taxes the drugs to pay for drug rehab. Might sound stupid, but wouldn't that be better than overcrowding the prisions, letting the druggies out after a short time, and they do it again and again. Costs more and ties up court system etc.

All I am saying, maybe we need to start by legalising marijuana, taxing it, and see what happens. Then maybe drugs that can be gotten over by rehab such as cocaine and heroin. Controled amounts sold at ABC stores or pharmacies, by entering drivers liscense numbers so they can't go around town overbuying. Taxing this to pay for the computer system and rehab. Gets them out of prison which costs more in upkeep. Now you could still have drug testing for certain types of jobs.

What Amsterdam found out is the same people buy and abuse before and after legalisation.

Making alcohol illegal caused more problems that it solved. Same people drank whether it was legal or not, but caused a lot of deaths from fighting between law enforcement and bootleggers. I know there is a lot of drunk driving, but it is also illegal, and there are penalties for that. Same can be done with drugs. A simple drug test with a test strip in urine can be administered by an officer just like a breath test can. Same laws and penalties can be administered for drugs.

As far as I know, this is the only real issue most Republicans have with Ron Paul. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but why not try this way to see what happens. Will it clean out the jails? Will it keep sexual criminals and violent people behind bars longer who cause far more injury to others than the drugs would to an individual using them.

I do believe meth should still be outlawed as this is a very nasty drug and there is no rehab. It does permanent damage. MJ can do damage over time like cigarettes. Same with cocane. Heroin can also. However, rehab can get people off these.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #18 on:** August 28, 2012, 05:11:49 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 28, 2012, 04:34:42 AM

The problem as I see it is that the far right is not willing to settle for anything less. They are not willing to admit that no matter what they do they cannot drag enough of the people that far right to get their way. Nixon, Reagan, Dole, Ford, Bushes were all moderates and were able to get elected. If the far right does not want to give then they need to start looking for a piece of land to start their idea of a country as it is not going to happen in the USA.
GuzziJohn

ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The "far right" believes in what THIS piece of land once was. Moderates & neocons let it become what it is now by bending over for the liberals every time.

Oh well! You will get exactly what you deserve by continuing to follow the sheep.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #19 on:** August 28, 2012, 05:41:02 AM »

Quote from Cuts Crooked:
"ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The "far right" believes in what THIS piece of land once was. Moderates & neocons let it become what it is now by bending over for the liberals every time.

Oh well! You will get exactly what you deserve by continuing to follow the sheep."

Just saying. Far rights will not get elected to become president.
GuzziJohn

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #20 on:** August 28, 2012, 05:46:29 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 28, 2012, 05:41:02 AM

Just saying. Far rights will not get elected to become president.
GuzziJohn

You are correct, because the republican party is now just a shadow of the democratic party, freedom as this nation once knew it, is lost. You know the story about how to capture a wild hog? That's pretty much how the republican party was brought to the state it is in now....a little hog food goes a Looooonnnngg way.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #21 on:** August 28, 2012, 05:46:34 AM »

Quote from Cuts:
"Oh well! You will get exactly what you deserve by continuing to follow the sheep.""

Sure have!
Have a great wife.
Have a good job.
Paid for house and paid for 560 acres.
My own 36 acre lake.
Live on a beautiful piece of land for Kansas anyway.
Have a fair amount of money in savings and in investments.
Have a pair of great motorcycles.
Have a nice gun collection.
Have a pilots license.
Life is good!
GuzziJohn

crustylicious · « **Reply #22 on:** August 28, 2012, 05:58:53 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 28, 2012, 05:46:34 AM

Quote from Cuts:
"Oh well! You will get exactly what you deserve by continuing to follow the sheep.""

Sure have!
Have a great wife.
Have a good job.
Paid for house and paid for 560 acres.
My own 36 acre lake.
Live on a beautiful piece of land for Kansas anyway.
Have a fair amount of money in savings and in investments.
Have a pair of great motorcycles.
Have a nice gun collection.
Have a pilots license.
Life is good!
GuzziJohn

Sounds like a 1%er

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #23 on:** August 28, 2012, 06:06:26 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 28, 2012, 05:46:34 AM

Sure have!
Have a great wife.
Have a good job.
Paid for house and paid for 560 acres.
My own 36 acre lake.
Live on a beautiful piece of land for Kansas anyway.
Have a fair amount of money in savings and in investments.
Have a pair of great motorcycles.
Have a nice gun collection.
Have a pilots license.
Life is good!
GuzziJohn

Nice, now let's see how long you keep that.

BTW, you must be one of those millionaires that aren't paying your fair share into the socialist coffers, huh? Leaving us to wonder how you have so much time to hang around with us peons here on GBO?

guzzijohn · « **Reply #24 on:** August 28, 2012, 06:16:24 AM »

I don't see any reason now or in future that I will not keep things until I am ready to get rid of them, if ever. I pay my taxes like you all do, give to my church and several other organizations along with volunteering at our local homeless shelter, Lions Club activities and some other activities from time to time.
GuzziJohn

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** August 28, 2012, 06:18:44 AM »

I hope you are correct but if some get their way guns may be hard to keep.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #26 on:** August 28, 2012, 06:24:50 AM »

Quote from Shootall:
"I hope you are correct but if some get their way guns may be hard to keep."

So far in my lifetime the biggest threats to my gun rights came under Johnson, Clinton, and Bush Jr. So far Obama has not come close to outdoing those three (okay, will admit that is 2out of 3 were democrats).
GuzziJohn

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** August 28, 2012, 06:41:29 AM »

he is supposed to attack rights in his second term. mentioned when he chatted with ms brady .
its not what was done in the past its what is going to happen in the future.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #28 on:** August 28, 2012, 06:44:43 AM »

Quote from Shootall:
"he is supposed to attack rights in his second term. mentioned when he chatted with ms brady .its not what was done in the past its what is going to happen in the future."

Remember all the naysaying, crying and nashing of teeth when Obama was first elected which caused the tremendous rise in costs of firearms and related products.
GuzziJohn

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** August 28, 2012, 06:47:40 AM »

It was a qoute from him.