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Re: Pocket Carry Choices
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2012, 01:05:23 PM »
Maybe I'm a dinosaur here, but I still carry my Ruger SP-101 .357 in my pocket as a back-up.  I have carried various other guns, such as Glock 26/27s, a Makarov .380, a Keltec .32, a NAA .22, but always seem to end up back with a revolver of some kind.  It was a Taurus 605 .357 for a few years, but it shot loose beyond repair after about 10K rds, so it was replaced with this Ruger.  Yes, I actually practice with whatever I carry as I figure my life or someone elses life may easily depend on it someday.  Dont get me wrong, the semiauto's can work well, and definitely have a higher capacity, but there's just something that feels right to me about a good revolver.

I still carry my Sp101 357 also. Its my most carried handgun, although I find it a bit heavy for pocket carry, I carry it very comfortably in a crossbreed. I have never felt under gunned with the five rounds in the 357. I pray to God that I never have to use it in a situation against another human, but if that time ever happened I think I could get two in the boiler room out of five rounds. We tend to think we know how we would react in a dire situation, but I don't think we would ever know for sure unless that time happened. All we can do is practice well with what we carry, to gain that confidence, and hope that time never arises when you have to use it.

Whats awesome about carry guns is we have so many well made choices to choose from. It does make choosing hard at times. 
Lonegun, I think you would have to do a tremendous amount of shooting to shoot that ruger loose. They are great guns, and I like mine a bunch.  ;D Your right theres just something about an all steel revolver.   
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2012, 09:52:47 AM »
Ruger LCP best pocket gun so far for me pull the trigger goes bang every time deadly and accurate little gun,I must have 500 rounds threw it and not a he-cup

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2012, 07:37:17 AM »
+1 on the Ruger LCR 357!  However, in a 9mm auto, I really like the looks of the Sig 938.  I haven't shot one yet, but I have shot a Sig 238 a great deal and love everything about it, other than the fact that its a 380.  The 938 is basically the same gun, but in 9mm.

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2012, 02:41:00 PM »
There's no school like the old school!


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Re: Pocket Carry Choices
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2012, 03:32:21 PM »
Went with my first hunch and bought the Bodyguard 38 tonight, thanks for all the input.                                                                               
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2012, 07:19:58 PM »
good choice, not my first, but a good choice
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2012, 02:22:52 PM »
I like the revolvers too, I really like the Bodyguard 38, but I was concerned about how they would be accuracy wise versus the semi-autos. Never shot a revolver with a 2" or shorter barrel, in fact never shot one less than 6", hunted with them only. Leaning towards a 5 shot revolver the more I hear about them.
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2012, 06:02:58 AM »
Went with my first hunch and bought the Bodyguard 38 tonight, thanks for all the input.                                                                               
I think that's a good choice. I like the j frame 5 shot revolvers, they seem to be real handy.  Both my J frames are all steel, comes in handy if you like to shoot a little more, but I have to say since I handled my sons light weight .38 j frame, those lightweights are a dream to carry, the weight does make a difference. He let me carry it for a while, I did not want to give it back.

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2012, 05:01:30 AM »
I put off buying the LC9 because I already had the SR9c and the LCP.  But the SR9 is a bit bulky and the .380 is just too puny IMO.  So, I spent the $400 for the LC9 and am I evere glad I did.  It's the best carry gun I've ever had.  It's 9mm potent, and super flat.  I carry 147 grain Hydroshocks in mine.  I have one of those little orange tumbling targets that you throw on the ground and watch it bounce as you shoot at it.  At 15 and 20 yards, it jumps every shot, which is pretty dern good for a gun that size.  Great 3 dot sights.  I'm so accustom to the 1911 style safety, I'm glad the Ruger went that way.  I don't want any auto pistol without a safety.  I take nothing away from Glocks by saying that.  I just personally appreciate the thumb 1911 style safety. 

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2012, 06:29:53 PM »
I have a NAA Guardian  .32 acp and I like it !!!

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2012, 02:35:10 PM »
Not to argue, because every man must make his own decision.  However, a .38 with a barrel length of 2" or less (most are 1 7/8") is a gun with almost no energy.  I wouldn't want to be shot with one, but if I were, I'm certain I'd have time and ability aplenty to return fire.  A snubnose .38 has been the mainstay of concealed carry for more years than I've been alive (and I'm old), but the ballistics of that round even in the +P variety, is nearly nothing in terms of self protection.  It, like a .25 or .32 acp, will "probably" change the minds of a would-be assailant, but if said bad guy was intent on harming you, you would get harmed. 
I mean to say if you are worried about being harmed, carry a gun with enough oomph to stop any confrontation.  Don't allow room for being harmed.  If a .38 is your choice, get a 4" and stuff it full of 158 grain lead +P.   Even then, you ain't got much.  Understand that just because the .38 has been the choice for self defense for several generations, it's no stronger than it's ever been and it will not always keep you from being killed.  Other calibers offer more insurance.  Some calibers offer total insurance.  When it comes down to trading bullets with someone who wants to kill you, you don't want a 2" .38.  Manufacturers have developed .38 rounds they name "short barrel."  Do not fall for that.  Defensive capability in a short barrel .38 is nonexistent.  Good grief.  Such statements amount to nothing more than a commercial. 
Now, what that means is that any particular individual must chose his or her own defensive device.  For some, it's nothing more than a knife.  For inner city folks, it might be a gun that he can easily conceal.  Therein is the trade off.  If your chances of encountering a life or death threat is minimal, you might want to carry nothing at all for defense.  If your chances are maximum, such as downtown slums, you might want a .45.  Or a .308.   
But, if you insist that your chances are minimal, that your actual need for self defense is near zero, then you are an idiot.  If you carry a weapon to defend yourself and your choice of weapons is based on nothing but ease of carry, you are an idiot and your severed spine is your own fault.
If you carry a weapon at all, if you value your right and freedom to be armed, then arm yourself with a gun that will actually protect you from being killed.
A 2" 5-shot .38 ain't it.
I think what I'm trying to say is that we live in a nation that allows us the right to carry firearms.  If you carry something inadequate, then you haven't taken advantage of your right, and you are an idiot.  Just like the person with his seatbelt not worn, who drives his car among other idiots.  We control our own death to some extinct.  Lots of idiots have died earlier than those less stupid.     

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2012, 04:09:17 PM »
Sorry MIV, the Evan Marshall data does not support your theory about the longer barrel.  .38 Special has proven to be a one shot stopper 67% of the time, from both 2 inch and 4 inch barrels.
 
http://z4.invisionfree.com/Gerrys_Campfire/ar/t42.htm


38 SPECIAL (2 inch barrel)[/size]67 % 125 gr Remington JHP +P67 % 158 gr Federal LHP +P67 % 158 gr Winchester LHP +P65 % 129 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP +P38 SPECIAL (4 inch barrel)67 % 129 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP +P

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2012, 04:25:28 PM »
Not to argue, because every man must make his own decision.  However, a .38 with a barrel length of 2" or less (most are 1 7/8") is a gun with almost no energy.  I wouldn't want to be shot with one, but if I were, I'm certain I'd have time and ability aplenty to return fire.  A snubnose .38 has been the mainstay of concealed carry for more years than I've been alive (and I'm old), but the ballistics of that round even in the +P variety, is nearly nothing in terms of self protection.  It, like a .25 or .32 acp, will "probably" change the minds of a would-be assailant, but if said bad guy was intent on harming you, you would get harmed. 
I mean to say if you are worried about being harmed, carry a gun with enough oomph to stop any confrontation.  Don't allow room for being harmed.  If a .38 is your choice, get a 4" and stuff it full of 158 grain lead +P.   Even then, you ain't got much.  Understand that just because the .38 has been the choice for self defense for several generations, it's no stronger than it's ever been and it will not always keep you from being killed.  Other calibers offer more insurance.  Some calibers offer total insurance.  When it comes down to trading bullets with someone who wants to kill you, you don't want a 2" .38.  Manufacturers have developed .38 rounds they name "short barrel."  Do not fall for that.  Defensive capability in a short barrel .38 is nonexistent.  Good grief.  Such statements amount to nothing more than a commercial. 
Now, what that means is that any particular individual must chose his or her own defensive device.  For some, it's nothing more than a knife.  For inner city folks, it might be a gun that he can easily conceal.  Therein is the trade off.  If your chances of encountering a life or death threat is minimal, you might want to carry nothing at all for defense.  If your chances are maximum, such as downtown slums, you might want a .45.  Or a .308.   
But, if you insist that your chances are minimal, that your actual need for self defense is near zero, then you are an idiot.  If you carry a weapon to defend yourself and your choice of weapons is based on nothing but ease of carry, you are an idiot and your severed spine is your own fault.
If you carry a weapon at all, if you value your right and freedom to be armed, then arm yourself with a gun that will actually protect you from being killed.
A 2" 5-shot .38 ain't it.
I think what I'm trying to say is that we live in a nation that allows us the right to carry firearms.  If you carry something inadequate, then you haven't taken advantage of your right, and you are an idiot.  Just like the person with his seatbelt not worn, who drives his car among other idiots.  We control our own death to some extinct.  Lots of idiots have died earlier than those less stupid.   
Because 'tis the season and I think it applies, you are full of chit as a Christmas goose, feel free to stand in at 10-15 feet while someone takes a poke at you with that puny 2" .38 +P. 
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2012, 04:27:08 PM »
this link has a list of several cartridges and how they compare.




http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm


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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2012, 02:03:06 AM »
this link has a list of several cartridges and how they compare.




http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm


according to this
my 17 oz  ruger LCR 357mag  with 2 innch barrel is  ONLY an 85% stopper..........X5
this gun is in my pocket.....now and always....i forget its there


far better than my 97% stopper ..X7
4 inch 619  not sure of weight..........its  in a part of the house most of the time
or in a suitcase....as backupp to the little gun......IN MY POCKET


how regularly a gun is with you and how safe an action it has
FAR  out weighs any''combat'' advantage
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2012, 07:09:58 AM »
Not to argue, because every man must make his own decision.  However, a .38 with a barrel length of 2" or less (most are 1 7/8") is a gun with almost no energy.  I wouldn't want to be shot with one, but if I were, I'm certain I'd have time and ability aplenty to return fire.  A snubnose .38 has been the mainstay of concealed carry for more years than I've been alive (and I'm old), but the ballistics of that round even in the +P variety, is nearly nothing in terms of self protection.  It, like a .25 or .32 acp, will "probably" change the minds of a would-be assailant, but if said bad guy was intent on harming you, you would get harmed. 
I mean to say if you are worried about being harmed, carry a gun with enough oomph to stop any confrontation.  Don't allow room for being harmed.  If a .38 is your choice, get a 4" and stuff it full of 158 grain lead +P.   Even then, you ain't got much.  Understand that just because the .38 has been the choice for self defense for several generations, it's no stronger than it's ever been and it will not always keep you from being killed.  Other calibers offer more insurance.  Some calibers offer total insurance.  When it comes down to trading bullets with someone who wants to kill you, you don't want a 2" .38.  Manufacturers have developed .38 rounds they name "short barrel."  Do not fall for that.  Defensive capability in a short barrel .38 is nonexistent.  Good grief.  Such statements amount to nothing more than a commercial. 
Now, what that means is that any particular individual must chose his or her own defensive device.  For some, it's nothing more than a knife.  For inner city folks, it might be a gun that he can easily conceal.  Therein is the trade off.  If your chances of encountering a life or death threat is minimal, you might want to carry nothing at all for defense.  If your chances are maximum, such as downtown slums, you might want a .45.  Or a .308.   
But, if you insist that your chances are minimal, that your actual need for self defense is near zero, then you are an idiot.  If you carry a weapon to defend yourself and your choice of weapons is based on nothing but ease of carry, you are an idiot and your severed spine is your own fault.
If you carry a weapon at all, if you value your right and freedom to be armed, then arm yourself with a gun that will actually protect you from being killed.
A 2" 5-shot .38 ain't it.
I think what I'm trying to say is that we live in a nation that allows us the right to carry firearms.  If you carry something inadequate, then you haven't taken advantage of your right, and you are an idiot.  Just like the person with his seatbelt not worn, who drives his car among other idiots.  We control our own death to some extinct.  Lots of idiots have died earlier than those less stupid.   
Because 'tis the season and I think it applies, you are full of chit as a Christmas goose, feel free to stand in at 10-15 feet while someone takes a poke at you with that puny 2" .38 +P.
Looks like someone either doesn't have much experience with modern 38 loads or is just prejudiced against the round due to archaic paper ballistics.      I say try Buffalo Bore Heavy .38 Spc +P 158 gr ...... 'nuff said
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=108
 
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2012, 05:11:17 AM »
There's no school like the old school!




Very nice set up , mine was a satin nickle air weight and the holster had a plastic shield on the side to break up the outline . I did switch to a 340 PD with closed action as my gun got alot of dirt working construction.
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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2012, 05:22:27 AM »
There's no school like the old school!





that is what my dad carried
very dangerous if you try to cock and shoot single action
the rest of the family  now have..DAO 5 shot revolvers....cleaner and safer
no time or ammo wasted training  with the single action mode...DAO
a cocked hammer under stress  is an accident waiting to happen..don't train some one that way
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2012, 06:16:32 AM »
Under stress no need for SA but in the woods it is often a good thing like picking off that bad critter or snake . I still tote my body guard in the woods or just bush hoging or cutting grass , fishing or hunting often.
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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2012, 06:45:51 AM »


that is what my dad carried

Yo Daddy huh...  >:(    ;)
 
I carried one a them as my backup gun for many years!  Matter of fact it's still my most reached for conceiled carry handgun!   ;D
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2012, 06:49:38 AM »
Some will cut down the only five shots saying that if more than a few bad guys are involved ............................ well guess what if 5 + guys are shooting at you at close range  how many shots can you get off before they get ya ? better to run for cover  ;) .
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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2012, 11:36:03 AM »
Some will cut down the only five shots saying that if more than a few bad guys are involved ............................ well guess what if 5 + guys are shooting at you at close range  how many shots can you get off before they get ya ? better to run for cover  ;) .


yes  but that guy sleeps in a life jacket and body armor  and has lighting rods installed on his house
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OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2013, 01:22:21 PM »
A wise man once said," Shootin' straight with my 38 beats givin' jive with a 45"............now I like big bores, and I like a cartridge with 'beans', but if I have a 38Spl. or a .380 and shoot it like Bill Jordan says a man ought to, then Im likely to be left standin' (and if Im not, then God didnt want me to be, and thats fine with me).
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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2013, 03:16:50 AM »
Some will cut down the only five shots saying that if more than a few bad guys are involved ............................ well guess what if 5 + guys are shooting at you at close range  how many shots can you get off before they get ya ? better to run for cover  ;) .


yes  but that guy sleeps in a life jacket and body armor  and has lighting rods installed on his house

one might say he lives the live of hollywood
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2013, 06:29:39 AM »
A very small percentage of shootouts involve a reload.  It makes sense to me to have something that shoots more than 5 or 6 times.  I had to carry an issued 2" .38 for years, a six shot model 64, but never was I confident that I would survive a shootout with such a puny weapon. 
I own a 5 shot Model 36 now, and I keep it loaded in a particular place in my home, but I don't carry it.  Carry guns ought to be a trade off among the following:
  • Ease of carry.
  • Number of rounds.
  • Speed of reloading. 
  • Effectiveness of the caliber. 

A 2" .38 excells at ease of carry, but that's about it.  If one carrys a bulky speed loader, he achieves speed of reloading to some extent, but not nearly as fast as changing magazines.  Also, you lose the ability for a tactical reload, whereas with an auto, if conditions permit, you can drop a partially empty magazine and replace with a full one, and keep the partial one your person.
Revolvers, IMO, are defensive weapons of the past.  Yes, they will work fine if you have one bigger than a .38, and the incident does not involve a very quick reload.  A revolver is terrific for a one on one combat experience where the matter will be settled at close range with very few shots fired.  Most civilian shootings are like that, and a snub nose .38 will likely keep you alive.  It's just that other guns are as easy and even easier to carry that will serve you better as a defensive weapon. 
     
 
 

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2013, 08:02:21 AM »
if a 5 shot revolver seems less than ideal then carry two or three as a second revolver or three is the fastest reload  ;) . And at 12 ozs a 340 PD in 357 mag is a fine choice.
 But location is everything so in many areas more bullets would be nice and a comfort .
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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2013, 09:27:51 AM »
I now carry a 1911 .45 as  primary and a PF-9 9mm as backup as well as spare mags for both. If I get in trouble that those won't handle I'm calling in an Arc Light strike! ;)

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2013, 04:48:54 PM »
I now carry a 1911 .45 as  primary and a PF-9 9mm as backup as well as spare mags for both. If I get in trouble that those won't handle I'm calling in an Arc Light strike! ;)


I am with you on the .45 and 9mm but I have to say a 9mm pocket pistol is great deep cover option.


I would prefer to call a Broken Arrow vs Arc Light strike as my survival odds are slightly better.  But that's just  me..   :o

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2013, 06:17:47 PM »
I now carry a 1911 .45 as  primary and a PF-9 9mm as backup as well as spare mags for both. If I get in trouble that those won't handle I'm calling in an Arc Light strike! ;)


I am with you on the .45 and 9mm but I have to say a 9mm pocket pistol is great deep cover option.


I would prefer to call a Broken Arrow vs Arc Light strike as my survival odds are slightly better.  But that's just  me..   :o

True but not many things strike fear like a B-52 strike.  If I'm going out I'm taking ALL the bad guys with me. ;) As for the 9mm my PF-9 conceals very very easily. One of the many reasons I chose and still keep it. It just made more sense to me to go with the 9mm PF-9 rather than a .380 when the size and weight is pretty much the same. :)

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Re: Pocket Carry Choices--Update: Purchase Made
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2013, 05:16:14 AM »
.................... It's just that other guns are as easy and even easier to carry that will serve you better as a defensive weapon. 

And your first choice for a "pocket carry" gun would be ?
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