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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2012, 08:14:55 PM »
Jim like you said im not a big fan of barnes bullets. Not on deer anyway. I did shoot two more with them this year using the 300 wby and id have to admit in those two cases they did fine. Only reason i did it was that i fought my 300 all summer trying to find another bullet that shot as well and failed. that gun just loves those tsx bullets. It will shoot 5 into 3/4s of an in all day long and my best loads with anything else are double that. I guess i figure with a 30 cal you might get away with it a bit better if they dont open up. Id never again use them in anything smaller though.
I thought those 150 Sierras in the Federal Blue Box would explode/dump all their energy in those little 9" wide deer, but the "Partition like" expansion/total lung/heart disruption was there w/o a super huge exit hole. I always liked how the Partitions nose did the deed and the shank made a good exit. I shot about 125# yearling buck in Georgia one time, I was using the 7mm RemMag and the 150 Partition, shot about 30yds away. It worked perfect, he ran right across the road (maybe another 40yds) and rolled over, same great destruction inside, but about a 2" exit. I find Accubonds to perform in a similar way.
 Now Uncle lloyd....I know you had some bad performance with some Barnes X, but the only critter I ever had them zip through were a couple jackrabbits. I shot them with the 85 xbt out of a little 6x47mm (long bbl shot them at 243 vel) but the same bullet/load had killed a big Oryx bull and Axis buck like gandbusters. I "have" had a close shot on a Black Hawaiian Ram (35yds or so) with a 257 Weatherby 100gr TSX hit during slight "yaw" at entry and make a keyhole type wound. I have heard of this with the long Xs even in 300 mags. I think, like most long bullets, they don't "settle down to sleep" until a little further away, and not having soft lead nose, they can't open right. other than that, only problem I've had. I think the tipped version does better, but can;t prove it.
 No sir, hard to beat the new Ballistic tips/Accubond and particularly the old Nosler Partition. "Only Bushmnen and Hottentots" eat skinny deer ribs anway"! ha.

What bullet and powder load did you use to achieve the 3/4 in. grouping? ( if you don't mind me asking.)  I'm having heck trying to achieve those results.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2012, 09:12:05 PM »
When did Vanguards get the Weatherby Cartridges?

I thought Vanguards were Howa built with their 2 lug bolt.

Mark V and up have the Weatherby chamberings with the 9 lug bolt.

If I'm wrong, please correct me.  All of my Weatherbys cartridges are Mark V
or Accumark. My Vanguard is 270 WSM, not a Weatherby Magnum.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2012, 11:13:51 PM »
The Vanguards have been chambered in .300 and .257 Weatherby Magnum for years.
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2012, 02:02:48 AM »
wont give you the exact load because its a bit about book but it consists of the newer barnes tipped tsx 180 grain, IMR7828 and a fed match mag primer. Bullet is seated out as far as my mag well will allow.
Jim like you said im not a big fan of barnes bullets. Not on deer anyway. I did shoot two more with them this year using the 300 wby and id have to admit in those two cases they did fine. Only reason i did it was that i fought my 300 all summer trying to find another bullet that shot as well and failed. that gun just loves those tsx bullets. It will shoot 5 into 3/4s of an in all day long and my best loads with anything else are double that. I guess i figure with a 30 cal you might get away with it a bit better if they dont open up. Id never again use them in anything smaller though.
I thought those 150 Sierras in the Federal Blue Box would explode/dump all their energy in those little 9" wide deer, but the "Partition like" expansion/total lung/heart disruption was there w/o a super huge exit hole. I always liked how the Partitions nose did the deed and the shank made a good exit. I shot about 125# yearling buck in Georgia one time, I was using the 7mm RemMag and the 150 Partition, shot about 30yds away. It worked perfect, he ran right across the road (maybe another 40yds) and rolled over, same great destruction inside, but about a 2" exit. I find Accubonds to perform in a similar way.
 Now Uncle lloyd....I know you had some bad performance with some Barnes X, but the only critter I ever had them zip through were a couple jackrabbits. I shot them with the 85 xbt out of a little 6x47mm (long bbl shot them at 243 vel) but the same bullet/load had killed a big Oryx bull and Axis buck like gandbusters. I "have" had a close shot on a Black Hawaiian Ram (35yds or so) with a 257 Weatherby 100gr TSX hit during slight "yaw" at entry and make a keyhole type wound. I have heard of this with the long Xs even in 300 mags. I think, like most long bullets, they don't "settle down to sleep" until a little further away, and not having soft lead nose, they can't open right. other than that, only problem I've had. I think the tipped version does better, but can;t prove it.
 No sir, hard to beat the new Ballistic tips/Accubond and particularly the old Nosler Partition. "Only Bushmnen and Hottentots" eat skinny deer ribs anway"! ha.

What bullet and powder load did you use to achieve the 3/4 in. grouping? ( if you don't mind me asking.)  I'm having heck trying to achieve those results.
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2012, 02:04:15 AM »
Dont know when the first vanguards were done in wby rounds but its been at least 10 years.
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2012, 02:13:11 AM »
guess i never saw the need to download a rifle. If i want an o6 ill take an o6. If i couldnt handle the recoil of a big 30 i wouldnt buy a big 30. Ive shot 30/378s. Never shot game with one though. Recoil was a bit more then a 300wby. But not enough were its going to put me in the hospital if i have to shoot one or two rounds in an evening at a deer. Guys will say all the time that you dont notice recoil when your shooting at game. Why? because your not thinking about it and truth be told its more punishing mentaly then it is phyiscaly. Ive seen teenage girls shoot big recoiling guns and giggle while they were doing it. Why? because nobody told them it was going to be painful. Some guys think there cool because they can shoot big guns. Some guys think there cool because they use the lightest kicking gun that will kill the game there after. they say they are relying on precision instead of power. thing is ive yet to see someone that was good with a heavy recoiling gun not be good with a light recoiling gun and the opposite just isnt true. Why? because most guys that have mastered heavy recoiling guns have put in the time need to master them. If you cant or dont want to so be it but dont bash someone else who does because you cant. tom this post isnt directed at you so dont take it that way. The only thing i was quoting from your post was the down loading part
I have a few Weatherbys. I like my 257 WBY for deer.
I have the 30/378 WBY, which is similar to the OP's 300 WBY.
Both are too big for deer, but a 168gn Sierra Game King
over 50gn of H4350 with a Magnum primer  will shoot
the same in a 30-06 with similar recoil. And it is a powerful
deer slayer if it doesn't knock you out of your tree stand
or blacken your eye from too little eye relief. Choose
your scope carefully, and skip the 50 mm objective, the
higher mount will ruin your cheek weld with the stock.

Reloaders may need good old cornmeal to fill up that
half empty case, but you can and should develop some
lighter loads before that 300 beats you into a flincher.
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2012, 02:44:14 AM »
Using fillers is a god way to get killed or ruin your rifle.  Don't do it.
 
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2012, 04:03:26 AM »
Would make me flinch.  Might shoot my eye out on Christmas morning.  Too much for any whitetail I have ever met.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2012, 05:43:51 AM »
With the proper choice of powder in "reduced loads" a case filler such as corn meal shouldn't be needed.
Aaaaaah corn meal.  Think I'll have some fired corn meal mush this morning.  Hmmmmmmm good!
 
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2012, 07:33:19 AM »
Looking at Speer #14, I see now that the 300 WBY case will hold about 90 gn of
powder, and some starting loads have about 60 gn of powder, so
2/3 full.

I was wrong to broadly compare the 300WBY to my 30/378WBY, which
holds 120gn of some powders and has a long barrel.

 I shoot a reduced recoil round of 50 gn of H4350, which does not fill the case.
A magnum primer and stick powder work ok, but I still worry about the
less than full case.

Full power loads in H870 or Retumbo will throw  bullet far and fast,
but will bruise me after a few shots, even with a Pachmeyer recoil pad.
Most of this is range-like shooting  on our property, which is harder
on the shoulder meat than a standing shot. I need a shooters bag
on the bench shots, and I do not take long shots without some form
of stabilization.

After bruising, I don't shoot well regardless of rifle until the bruise is gone.

I've put about 100 rounds through this rifle in the last two months, so
I feel that this is representative for any large Magnum.

I'm 6'1" and 230#, not fat but in good condition and strong for
my age. Played LB in college FB. Still boxing 25 years later.

Earlier remarks did not factor in fitness level, but I won't
dispute them.  Fitness helps recover from magnum rifle
shooting, IME.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2012, 08:14:31 AM »
Just be very carefull about going BELOW published data with the slower rifle or handgun powders, H110, AA#9, 4350, 4831 etc. etc. as it is will known and proven that such loads can cause a big bang and distroyed rifles and human flesh.
 
I have found that going to the Lyman cast bullet book gives a good starting place for powders which will make good reduced loads.
 
The H4895 can be reduced safely - info available on the Manufactures web site, but it it is not reduced enough, check out the Lyman book.
 
Of the loads I have used, there has been zero problems with using jacketed bullets with the cast bullet info.
 
I am talking LIGHT weight bullets here, not ment for hunting, but only practice.  100 - 110gr for 30 caliber etc.
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2012, 09:26:28 AM »
Agreed. I have Hodgdon's on speed dial, and they are very responsive when I need load info.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2012, 01:24:40 AM »
tom not to be sarcastic but if you couldnt handle that 30/378 why did you buy it vs a 300 win mag or a 7mag ect. Why do you keep it. It must be a markV and you could probably sell it and buy a good 300 win and a dammed good scope to put on it. I can see the want for a 30/378. It would be cool to fool with but id be the last one to say that its NEEDED for any hunting situation.
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2012, 04:19:30 AM »
I don't understand the recoil issue.  I don't feel recoil until 2 days later when I have a black & blue shoulder.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2012, 06:49:46 AM »
 :-\ In over 50 years of shooting rifles & shotguns..I don't think I have ever experienced a black and blue shoulder..Usually, I only wear clothes fitting for season..Occasionally, I use a coat with a pad, but seldom..

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2012, 07:10:04 AM »
:-\ In over 50 years of shooting rifles & shotguns..I don't think I have ever experienced a black and blue shoulder..Usually, I only wear clothes fitting for season..Occasionally, I use a coat with a pad, but seldom..

I am on blood thinners.  I bruise if you look at me wrong.  You should see me after I work on my truck.

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« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2012, 09:59:13 AM »
 :-[ Wooow!!! Bad stuff..no wonder you bruise!!! I have seen people get bruised shoulders from not holding the gun against their shoulder, but this is a whole different issue..

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2012, 06:03:13 PM »
 I'm with Lloyd, sell that 30/378 except I would get a 300 WSM and put a Limbsaver pad on with a proper muzzlebrake. If it were me...OR a good .280 or .270 and have at it!

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2012, 07:49:15 PM »
The truth is recoil bothers heavy people more than light. That is the truth irrespective of some bull crap mathematical formulae. This is not arm chair talk it is real world.
I used my 300 Weatherby & 340 Weatherby when I was 168 lbs I never had any problem with recoil. I often put 60 rounds thro it on the bench.When my weight went to 250 lbs the bloody things hurt me. It was like shooting different rifles. I gave up bench shooting them.. My ex wife at 130 lbs was an exellent shot with my 300 Weatherby same with my son who weighed 150 lbs. I have friends who are big men, over 6' & weigh around 200. They do not like shooting my 300. I now have my weight back to 188 lbs & I am loving my 300 again. In fact I have just ordered a Weatherby Royal Ultra Mark in 300 Weatherby Magnum. This is the truth & there is no valid argument against it. This just proves once again that armchair ballisticians don't live in the real practical world. Any comment against this will just prove inexperience & ignorance.
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2012, 08:01:38 PM »
The truth is recoil bothers heavy people more than light. That is the truth irrespective of some bull crap mathematical formulae. This is not arm chair talk it is real world.
I used my 300 Weatherby & 340 Weatherby when I was 168 lbs I never had any problem with recoil. I often put 60 rounds thro it on the bench.When my weight went to 250 lbs the bloody things hurt me. It was like shooting different rifles. I gave up bench shooting them.. My ex wife at 130 lbs was an exellent shot with my 300 Weatherby same with my son who weighed 150 lbs. I have friends who are big men, over 6' & weigh around 200. They do not like shooting my 300. I now have my weight back to 188 lbs & I am loving my 300 again. In fact I have just ordered a Weatherby Royal Ultra Mark in 300 Weatherby Magnum. This is the truth & there is no valid argument against it. This just proves once again that armchair ballisticians don't live in the real practical world. Any comment against this will just prove inexperience & ignorance.
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Swampy was right about what he said but because HE said it the trash talk got started. If anyone else had said it there wouldn't have been an issue.
 
 
 
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #80 on: November 20, 2012, 03:30:06 AM »
The truth is recoil bothers heavy people more than light. That is the truth irrespective of some bull crap mathematical formulae. This is not arm chair talk it is real world.
I used my 300 Weatherby & 340 Weatherby when I was 168 lbs I never had any problem with recoil. I often put 60 rounds thro it on the bench.When my weight went to 250 lbs the bloody things hurt me. It was like shooting different rifles. I gave up bench shooting them.. My ex wife at 130 lbs was an exellent shot with my 300 Weatherby same with my son who weighed 150 lbs. I have friends who are big men, over 6' & weigh around 200. They do not like shooting my 300. I now have my weight back to 188 lbs & I am loving my 300 again. In fact I have just ordered a Weatherby Royal Ultra Mark in 300 Weatherby Magnum. This is the truth & there is no valid argument against it. This just proves once again that armchair ballisticians don't live in the real practical world. Any comment against this will just prove inexperience & ignorance.
  THEORY DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK OUT IN PRACTICE.

 
Right on Beau!!
Swampy was right about what he said but because HE said it the trash talk got started. If anyone else had said it there wouldn't have been an issue.
 
 
 
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #81 on: November 23, 2012, 07:12:09 PM »
tom not to be sarcastic but if you couldnt handle that 30/378 why did you buy it vs a 300 win mag or a 7mag ect. Why do you keep it. It must be a markV and you could probably sell it and buy a good 300 win and a dammed good scope to put on it. I can see the want for a 30/378. It would be cool to fool with but id be the last one to say that its NEEDED for any hunting situation.
Who says I can't handle it?

I like wildcats, and this is a big one! I also really like Weatherby rifles.
I ordered it special made by the WBY custom shop. Mark V Deluxe Special.
I can cut the chamber down and rethread once or twice if needed.
This is mostly a long range varminter. And a target shooter.
It is unforgiving as a hunting rifle, but I prefer other rifles for
game hunting. 257 WBY is very nice for most game I'll see.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2012, 12:36:55 PM »
At 300 yards, my 30/378 WBY will nearly pass through a 1/2" mild steel target with ball 150 gn FMJ bullets. And the recoil is manageable. Yesterday I shot about 50 rounds with it and I'm not bruised or sore. I jogged and stretched after shooting, which helped eliminate the soreness which might have been.

This target was hit holding two inches high from the 4" disc.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2012, 12:43:05 PM »
This subject of this question is - is the 300 WBY too much for whitetail.  Yes, it is an overkill at any sensible range.

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« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2012, 01:12:25 PM »
Too much? No. More than required. Yes.  You can easily shoot reduced loads if you choose.  Your choice.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2012, 02:08:32 PM »
This subject of this question is - is the 300 WBY too much for whitetail.  Yes, it is an overkill at any sensible range.
Still, for a long shot, it has the muscle.  We hunt canyons and long shots across the canyon are typical.

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2012, 02:48:13 PM »
This subject of this question is - is the 300 WBY too much for whitetail.  Yes, it is an overkill at any sensible range.

I killed a Muley with a .22 mag.  Is anything over a .22 mag. overkill?

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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2012, 03:03:01 PM »
This subject of this question is - is the 300 WBY too much for whitetail.  Yes, it is an overkill at any sensible range.

I don't see why......
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2012, 03:30:53 PM »
Usmcrip;
         A 300 Weatherby Magnum does sound a bit like using a sledgehammer on a fly..   But if it's all you have, and the sledgehammer will kill the fly...go to it..
  I also live in western NY State..and (IMO) the 30/30 in 170 gr..is just about ideal.  There are few chances for a 300 yard shot..unless you hunt power line right-of-ways..  In more dense wooded land, I have even leaned toward the .44 mag rifle..originally a H&R and now in a CVA rifle.  Actually, I have killed more deer with a .44 magnum than with any other rifle.
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Re: .300 wby mag for whitetail
« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2012, 05:19:12 PM »
This subject of this question is - is the 300 WBY too much for whitetail.  Yes, it is an overkill at any sensible range.

I don't see why......

Nor do I, but then again I don't see the point of the term "overkill" either, a non-issue & non-factor!! ;)
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