35 cal. testing of FTX & Accubond

[dantana]

Will be reloading the 35 Nosler Accubond & Hornady FTX 200 grainers for my 35s tonight.  Mainly want to see mushroom differences between both at 2200fps out of my Remington 7600 carbine 35 Remington.  Will post photos tomorrow.  I will most likely not be seating the Accubonds quite as deep as the photo.  The Accubonds are boattails.
 

[roper]

Will be reloading the 35 Nosler Accubond & Hornady FTX 200 grainers for my 35s tonight.  Mainly want to see mushroom differences between both at 2200fps out of my Remington 7600 carbine 35 Remington.  Will post photos tomorrow.  I will most likely not be seating the Accubonds quite as deep as the photo.  The Accubonds are boattails.
 

I was checking different site I post on and got a question.   Are you following me your post is on every site been to?

[quickdtoo]

Here's Nosler's minimum impact velocity recommendation for their bullets and Super 35 Rem data for the 7600. 

Tim


Impact Velocities for Reliable Expansion
 

 
Minimum Impact Velocity for Reliable Expansion- 1800 fps
Maximum Impact Velocity for Reliable Expansion- N/A


Ballistic Tip:
Minimum Impact Velocity for Reliable Expansion- 1600 fps
Maximum Impact Velocity for Reliable Expansion- 3000 fps


AccuBond:
Minimum Impact Velocity for Reliable Expansion- 1800 fps
Maximum Impact Velocity for Reliable Expansion- N/A

 
 


http://www.noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1347

[omegahunter]

I predict the FTX will outshine the Accubond at .35 Remington velocities.  Now if you were going to .358 Win or .35 Whelen you would be better off with the Accubond, but I would then change over to the Barnes TTSX instead.

[dantana]

I predict the FTX will outshine the Accubond at .35 Remington velocities.  Now if you were going to .358 Win or .35 Whelen you would be better off with the Accubond, but I would then change over to the Barnes TTSX instead.

I do plan to test/ shoot the accubond in both my 35 whelen & 350 rem mag.  My previous testing with these guns has given me good results with the TTSX and plan to stick with the TTSX.
 

[bigswede]

I have a load worked up with the 225 Acubonds out of my 358 Norma.  I have yet to test it on any critters yet.  Good work with your 35's.

[cwlongshot]

What is your test media and distances?

CW

[dantana]

I use 1 gallon oil jugs filled with water @ 25 yards.  After we get loads the speed we want we then place pieces of plywood at different points behind jugs to offer more resistance.

[dantana]

Some unexpected results. The 350 RM with the 180 TTSX is still king in mushroom and penetration. But the 180 TTSX did not work as well as I had hoped with the slower 35 Rem. The 200 AB in 350 RemMag did very well but dropped weight. The FTX did very well in the 35 Rem. but lead came apart & AB held together but did not give great mushroom. The AB in 35 Rem. did hold a little better weight and would penetrate a little deeper. The AB seems to have lost jacket petals where the FTX did not. If Hornady bonded their FTX it would make a better bullet. IMO the Barnes is tops and AB is second at higher speeds. We are going to do some more testing with the 35 Rem. and AB at max speeds and see what happens. At a buck a slug it is not as cheap as the FTX. Maybe the Hornady Interlock would be a better bullet. The MonoFlex would be good bullet but is not made in 200gr. 35.
 

 

[spinafish]

which of the .45 flextips are you loading in the .45 Win Mag?

[dantana]

The 250 grain.  The 225 will not perform uniformly.
 

[Graybeard]

The only bullet ya need for the .35 Remington is a 200 grain RN from any of the major makers. I use nothing else in mine. No need to get fancy it delivers all the little case is capable of.

[dantana]

GB, meaning no disrespect,,,  Starting with the factory RN of any maker the Hornady FTX with the additional speed of the LVR powder has awoke many of the old lever guns, etc.  The FTX & AB with LVR powders can be pushed to 2400fps and can become a 250 yard gun very easy.  This fall after it cools down I will be testing both these bullets to the max at the range and see what the little 7600 will do.  Don't hold back the little 35.  The same with my 35 whelen and 350 RemMag with the 180 grain TTSX.  After visiting Colorado last month and seeing distances I will be shooting elk I plan to sight these guns in at 300 yards.  I can push both 35s to 3,000fps.

[spinafish]

I have gotten great groups with the FTX(bought some blems from Midway) in my 14" Contender, but THE LOAD for it seems to be 37 grains of Varget with the 220 HotCor Speer FN..great accuracy and penetration that is unreal.  I have also loaded the .45 Flex Tip in the .45 WinMag for a 14" Contender barrel, but I used Blem 200 grainers..they really group well to 50 yds...and are almost like a varmit bullet in the way they expand.  Wouldn't hunt deer with them, but can't wait to try them on a coyote!

[cwlongshot]

I have gotten great groups with the FTX(bought some blems from Midway) in my 14" Contender, but THE LOAD for it seems to be 37 grains of Varget with the 220 HotCor Speer FN..great accuracy and penetration that is unreal.  I have also loaded the .45 Flex Tip in the .45 WinMag for a 14" Contender barrel, but I used Blem 200 grainers..they really group well to 50 yds...and are almost like a varmit bullet in the way they expand.  Wouldn't hunt deer with them, but can't wait to try them on a coyote!

I shot a coyote with 200g FTX's from a 22" 454 @ about 2000fps.... 3" exit in the brisket... (straight down)  Only he was standing broad side, bullet impacted ribs behind shoulder at about 35 yards at the shot...

CW

[spinafish]

DRT! even knocked the fleas off of 'em!

[AtlLaw]

The only bullet ya need for the .35 Remington is a 200 grain RN from any of the major makers.

#1!!  I love 35's and played around a lot with different bullets in my 35 Ren, 358 Win and 35 Whelen.  For my hunting the 200 gr. Rem SPCL is the bullet I've settled on for the first two cartridges from now on.  Heck, I may even use it in the Whelen for my "meat" bullet!   

[Larry L]

Always interesting to the results folks get with their results and test criteria. But ultimately the real test is when the gun goes off and the bullet hits meat. I have an arm load of the old Ballard Marlin 35 Remingtons and they all shoot the same load. That makes the bullet traveling at 2400'ps averagely out of these ol' timers. The bullet has performed flawlessly for the last 45 years and that's the Remington Core Lok. It would not survive your testing though as it would pretty much come apart at that close of range. But deer and hogs from 100 to 200 yards are in grave danger. As far as the LVR powder making the round come alive, the lawyers killed it years ago. The LVR hasn't really done anything to the 35 Remington.

[bigswede]

GB, meaning no disrespect,,,  Starting with the factory RN of any maker the Hornady FTX with the additional speed of the LVR powder has awoke many of the old lever guns, etc.  The FTX & AB with LVR powders can be pushed to 2400fps and can become a 250 yard gun very easy.  This fall after it cools down I will be testing both these bullets to the max at the range and see what the little 7600 will do.  Don't hold back the little 35.  The same with my 35 whelen and 350 RemMag with the 180 grain TTSX.  After visiting Colorado last month and seeing distances I will be shooting elk I plan to sight these guns in at 300 yards.  I can push both 35s to 3,000fps.

My go to elk bullet out of my remington 700 with 20" barrel is the Sierra 225 grain, 350 rem mag.  Performs awesome, and they usually hit the dirt and throw up a white flag.  Mine are traveling at 2660fps.

[dantana]

When we can catch a cooler day will load this AB load up hot for winter time shooting and see what the MPBR will be compared to a CorLock RN. I am sure it will extend it 75-100 yards.

[Larry L]

Might try the two bullets at 200 yds into a 5 gallon bucket of water with a 5 gallon bucket of wet sand behind it. The 200 yard range should just about tell the story on any advantages of one over the other.

[cwlongshot]

When we can catch a cooler day will load this AB load up hot for winter time shooting and see what the MPBR will be compared to a CorLock RN. I am sure it will extend it 75-100 yards.

Don't waste your powder...  There will not be appreciable differences until 250-300 yards.

CW

[dantana]

Powder is for wasting.  I will amost bet the AB will have 2" better MPBR than RN.

[cwlongshot]

Powder is for wasting.  I will amost bet the AB will have 2" better MPBR than RN.

Not at distances out to 250 yards it won't!!  Not when started from same firearms at same velocity.

Try it and you will see. Been there done that!

Out past 250 the AB will quickly out pace and preform the RN. Sure as anything.

CW

[dantana]

CW , I never said same speed.  Comparing a factory RN to a handloaded maxed out AB.  That is the point of handloading.  Even maxing a RN handload it will never keep up with an AB.

[cwlongshot]

So, Your saying you "think" a factory 200RN up against a worked up AB hand load will be prove the AB to be at least 2" better in a MPBR compairson. To quote my niece... Well DUHHH... 

Thats like bragging your (Insert top of the line muscle car car here) beat your buddies. (Insert ANY run O the mill automobile here)

Again, I don't see the point?   Under your criteria, YES, ABSOLUTELY the AB will be better at about EVERYTHING...accept cost. BUT the better ballistics will have nothing attributed to the bullets shape, and everything to do with faster velocities. You might as well load a AB to 2000 fps and one to 2800 fps and bet on the 2000 having poor PBR numbers... It's a moot point.

"Even maxing a RN handload it will never keep up with an AB." 

 Just based on this comment, I stand completely corrected... You are 100% correct, you DO need to waste some powder and do some testing yourself. PLEASE do, do this! For some, there is no better "teacher", than to see the results of "testing" first hand. Then, when you have collected your findings on the matter, please get back to us and let us know what you have learned...

CW