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NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« on: May 31, 2012, 11:46:44 AM »
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NYC soda ban could another blow for drink makers   Associated Press Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:00 PM
Updated today at 6:02 PM        NEW YORK (AP) — Is the Big Gulp to blame for obesity in the Big Apple? New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg thinks so.
But Bloomberg's proposal Thursday that the city ban restaurants, delis and movie theaters from serving large cups of sodas and other sugary drinks is a bitter twist for companies that make beverages like Coke, Dr Pepper and Pepsi. The ban, which would be the first of its kind in the nation, comes at a time when soda consumption has been declining.
The industry has struggled in recent years as more health-conscious Americans have shifted away from sugary sodas toward bottled water and sports drinks like Gatorade. That's led to a 20 percent reduction in the calories consumed per capita through carbonated beverages over the last decade, according industry tracker Beverage Digest. Under Bloomberg's proposed ban, soda consumption could slip further.
The ban would impose a 16-ounce limit on any sugary bottled or fountain drinks that contain more than 25 calories per 8 ounces. It would not affect diet soda and any drink that is at least half milk or milk substitute would be exempt. The proposal requires the approval of the city's Board of Health — considered likely because its members are all appointed by Bloomberg.
It's difficult to estimate the potential financial impact of the proposed ban because there's no breakdown of what percentage of drinks sold are over the proposed the size limit or how consumers and retailers would adjust if the ban were in place.
But Mark Kalinowski, an analyst with Janney Capital Markets who covers companies including McDonald's, said that sodas carry high margins for beverage companies. Any successful effort by the government to ban large drinks, he said, would be bad for the industry.
Kalinowski said he doesn't think the ban will pass. But he joked that if it did, customers would revolt.
"Folks who want to buy Big Gulps and Frappuccinos, a lot of those customers, you're only going to be able to take it away from them by prying it out of their cold, dead hands," he said. "What are you going to do? Post a guard making sure that no patrons order no more than two or more beverages? Maybe the mayor can outlaw all soft drinks and outlaw all fun while he's at it."
PepsiCo Inc., the nation's second largest soda maker, declined to comment on the proposal, referring questions to the New York City Beverage Association. But Coca-Cola Co., the largest U.S. soda maker, on Thursday blasted the move.
"The people of New York City are much smarter than the New York City Health Department believes," the Atlanta-based company said in a statement. "New Yorkers expect and deserve better than this. They can make their own choices about the beverages they purchase. We hope New Yorkers loudly voice their disapproval about this arbitrary mandate."
This certainly is not the first time the industry has had to defend itself from those blaming sodas for America's expanding waistline.
In announcing the proposal, Bloomberg's office said the single largest driver of rising obesity rates is sugary drinks, which have grown in size over the years. The mayor's office noted that the size of a large drink at fast food chains has doubled to 64 ounces. The Center for Science in the Public Interest said sugary soft drinks are "nutritionally worthless products" in applauding the proposal.
Meanwhile, the industry has scrambled in recent years to win back consumers — and fight off critics — by offering choices that address growing health concerns:
— Pepsi earlier this year introduced its Pepsi Next, which has about half the calories of regular sodas (or 60 calories, versus 140). The Purchase, N.Y.-based company says the early reports on sales are positive.
— Dr Pepper Snapple Group Inc. last year rolled out its "Dr Pepper Ten," which has just 10 calories. Based on the initial success, the company is testing the 10-calorie formula with other drinks including Sunkist and Canada Dry.
— Coca-Cola is set to start testing its mid-calorie versions of its Fanta and Sprite in select cities in the coming weeks. In the past few years, the company has also offered its drinks in a variety of smaller sizes. For example, the company in 2009 introduced a 7.5-ounce "mini-can."
As of the end of last year, the company also started printing the total caloric content on the front of its beverages, rather than making consumers do the math with the serving sizes on nutrition panels.
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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 12:01:05 PM »
I can't believe I agree with someing from the extreme left, but I do agree with this. The industry is selling a substance that's proven to be dangerous, and has not policed itself. This is exactly the condition that causes regulation to occur. The stuff is generally sweetened  with high fructose corn syrup, which is proven to have negative effects related to the control of insulin response, thus tampering with how much people are inclined to eat. Ingesting a chemical bomb of 44 ounces of diluted HFCS is a recipe for disaster when done regularly, and it goes a long way toward explaining why diabetes is a rampant problem in this country.

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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 12:02:14 PM »
The beverage companies should just quit selling their products in the city.


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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 02:55:43 PM »
It will probably cause a fad where people start drinking enormous amounts of soda.

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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 04:05:48 PM »
Regulations like this are dangerous. I reckon next the govt will decide on whether I can have more than 1 burger?? What about fries?? Unhealthy?? You bet, but that should be my choice, not the govts. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 08:00:36 PM »
How long until Ice Cream is regulated?
 
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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 08:43:10 PM »
The beverage companies should just quit selling their products in the city.
Thats my thoughts exactly.

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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 09:25:08 PM »
 Just wait 'till the volume of trash due to extra beverage containers purchased in NYC doubles. Does the mob still run that business?
 
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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 10:49:56 PM »
Just about anything is bad for you in excess. If one drinks a 2 liter bottle of soda a day, yeah thats bad for you. Why would we ever want government telling us how much soda we can drink? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2012, 11:07:58 PM »
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Regulations like this are dangerous. I reckon next the govt will decide on whether I can have more than 1 burger?? What about fries?? Unhealthy?? You bet, but that should be my choice, not the govts. POWDERMAN

I agree.  While obesity is an evergrowing problem in our country, it's up to the individual to have the self motivation to put the junk food down and eat something healthy.  The government is not our mothers sitting at the kitchen table with us forcing the dreaded lima bean down our throats..... ;D
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 12:30:27 AM »
God help me, but I'm still going to defend it. Likewise with the gargantuan portions at restaurants. We're hard wired to eat what's in front of us, and will adjust to large portions. We have adjusted to large portions, and it's killing us. With an industry that keeps selling larger and larger portions, and people generally not knowing any better than to eat it all, there's a real problem.

I don't thing banning anything is the way to go, but I think public awareness that big portions equal big trouble is a message that needs to get out there for us.

I like the smoking model. Everybody knows its bad for you. At least anybody over the age of about 10. A lot of people smoke anyway. That's the way it ought to be. Banning cigarettes isn't the answer, it's knowing the consequences so you can make a decision.

We don't have that kind of information in the form of public awareness campaigns, and we really need to have it.

The problem with banning stuff is that it just creates a forbidden fruit mentality like prohibition did.

And it creates a slippery slope of legal precedent that says "we banned this an it was OK, therefore we can ban something else and it is OK by precedent."

I don't think the salt ban actually happened in NYC, and for good reason. It was a stupid idea. But the problem was not the presence of salt, it was a public unawareness of saltiness and its health effects. Government has done some good things with ad campaigns for awareness, and now its time for them to do some more good things with public awareness campaigns.


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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 01:01:47 AM »
I don't drink soft drinks made with sugar. However if I did and lived in NYC and this ban comes to pass I'm smart enough to just buy two drinks if I wanted more than the legal 16 ounce one. Duh.

This is just another example of government sticking their nose where it has no business.

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Re: NYC wants to ban big gulp sodas, etc.
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2012, 01:06:30 AM »
Regulations like this are dangerous. I reckon next the govt will decide on whether I can have more than 1 burger?? What about fries?? Unhealthy?? You bet, but that should be my choice, not the govts. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 01:10:40 AM »
so will you not be able to buy 2 or more drinks ? what about refills ? How about drinks like coffee or tea that can be sold and the customer adds his own sugar ?
will big gulp speak easies pop up ? will super sized drinks be boot leged in from other states and Canada ? will this period of American be called the bubling teens. Will king sized candy bars be next ?
being diabetic I don't give a rip other than its BIG BROTHER and that's not good .
The mayor has proven he can't stop people from using illegal things like drugs and prositution why is he adding to the list of failures he will not be able to control ?
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2012, 01:16:27 AM »
Government really needs to get back to it's job and not play nanny to the private citizen. I don't drink sodas normally and I stay away from NYC. I guess it won't effect me at all, except the fact that this is yet way too much government in a citizens life.
 
Doesn't NYC have enough problems to focus on without picking up a psuedo problem?

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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2012, 01:28:44 AM »
Individuals control their destiny. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2012, 08:10:30 AM »
Individuals make choices based on societal norms. If it's normal to drink a large amount of coke, people will learn to do it. Smoking is a better example. People don't just spontaneously decide to start smoking. It's a learned behavior.

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2012, 11:28:01 AM »
Government really needs to get out of peoples day to day lives. Limiting the size of a soda really? Doesn't NYC have other things to do with its time and money?
 
I say enough is enough. Leagalize all the drugs now cinsidered illeagel. Stop this nanny state crap. Those who choose to do the hard core drugs will die from over doses anyway. Thin the herd by their own hands. All the money saved on drug wars and other ridiculous things can be used to bury them.

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2012, 11:28:03 AM »
This will increase sales and consumption, not cut it back. Years ago when the libby dems and billybob clinton said I couldn't have 20 and 30 + rd mags for my sks I went right out and bought several just cause he said I couldn't have them. I believe this will do the same thing. I rarely drink cokes anyway, too expensive and all that sugar will kill ya. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2012, 02:05:55 PM »

 Maybe someone should start a campaign to limit the number of TP squares one can use at a 'sitting.'  :o

It's already been suggested by one of our more "learned" citizens, a pop singer named Cheryl Crow:
 
 
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Bloomberg the "Sugar Nazi"
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personally, I prefer "High Fructose Fascist".....

Mayor Bloomberg Called ‘Sugar Nazi’ Over Soda Ban
A leading financial website has published a blistering attack on New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg over his proposal to ban large servings of soda and other sugary drinks at restaurants, delis, sports arenas, and movie theaters.
The headline on the editorial from Investor’s Business Daily (IBD): “New York City’s Sugar Nazi Mayor Strikes Again.”
Last year, the city prohibited smoking in all parks, beaches, swimming pools, and pedestrian plazas. A few years earlier, Mayor Bloomberg banned smoking in restaurants, bars, and workplaces.
The IBD article asks: “Is there anything the Ego That Ate New York won't make illegal for New Yorkers to consume?”
In 2006, New York ordered restaurants to remove “trans-fat” from their meals, even though “trans-fat amounts to a fraction of total fat consumption,” the editorial points out.
“The real solution to obesity and heart disease, of course, is knowledge and responsibility. Americans actually have a pretty good record on making responsible use of their freedoms — when government butts out.
IBD quotes American Council on Science and Health President Dr. Elizabeth Whelan, who warned that Bloomberg was bringing the nation “one step closer to endorsing the principle that government should determine what we eat and how we should live.”
Bloomberg, called an “out-of-touch, big-government billionaire bully” by IBD, sought to counter criticism by declaring: “We’re not taking away anybody’s right to do things. We’re simply forcing you to understand that you have to make the conscious decision to go from one cup to another cup.”
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2012, 01:01:28 AM »
Maybe NY should install $1200.00 seats on their toilets that clean your bottom with warm water when finished and dries with warm air....................
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