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Offline Fletch295

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Unique or Bullseye
« on: May 30, 2012, 05:02:11 PM »
Currently loading for a 38 Special using light charge of Bullseye. I'm happy with the performance, I don't care for the way Bullseye meters. Any advantage to moving to Unique, as I will soon be loading for 45 ACP and 9MM also? Does it meter better than Bullseye? Any issues using either powder in all three calibers? Thanks Fletch

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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 05:13:34 PM »
For me Bullseye meters better than Unique but really I don't consider either a problem. For 38 special I prefer Bulleye and with 125s prefer it in .357 as well.


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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 05:43:43 PM »
I gave all of my Bullseye away because it's filthy. I do use Unique and it runs thru my RCBS Pistol measure dead on the money. But I understand some folks have issues with it coming out of their measure with any kind of accuracy. You might look to AA5 which is a ball powder about the same burn rate as Unique. That stuff meters like water and is extremely clean burning. It also makes for some of the most accurate loads you'll work with. Good stuff.

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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012, 10:25:54 PM »
WELCOME FLETCH!!

 I also burn allot of Bullseye in my 38 and 45 target loads. I have not had metering problems in my RCBS or REDDING measurers.

Another powder to look at I have used and also meters like water is AA#2.

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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 11:47:04 PM »
thats odd as bullseye has allways been one of the best metering powders for me. Much better then unique
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 12:36:08 AM »
thats odd as bullseye has allways been one of the best metering powders for me. Much better then unique
I use both, and this has been my experience as well.

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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 01:45:21 AM »
The thing with metering everyone has different powder drops. Like me I use dillon machines and rarely get powder dropping problems. A lot of people get problems dropping powder from static electric a easy solution is to raid the wifes dryer sheets (non scented) cut a strip about 1" wide of its length and hang it inside the powder reservoir this will eliminate the static charge and help solve some of the powder problems.


Their are advantages to using Unique it is one of the only powders that can be used in all cartridges. It is very versatile


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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 03:22:57 AM »
If I could have only one powder, it would be Unique.  It's an amazing powder.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 05:20:19 AM »
If you have trouble metering Bullseye, it won't get any better with Unique!
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2012, 05:55:14 AM »
I have used Hodgdon Universal Clays for years. I find it cmparable to Unique and it is slightly cleaner...but its still a dirty powder

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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2012, 07:12:40 AM »
Welcome Fletch. You may want to try a ball powder like Win 231 or Hodgdon HP-38. You didn't post what powder measure you are using. I have a Redding powder measure and I bought the pistol chamber for mine. I found with the universal chamber light charges wouldn't meter well.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2012, 07:14:28 AM »
+1 on what Swampman said.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 07:46:26 AM »
I ran across this...
"Hercules and now, Alliant Unique is one of our oldest staple reloading powders having been in continuous production since the late 19th century. Introduced primarily for mid-range rifle loads, Unique quickly became a standard for shotgun and handgun shooters as well. It delivers excellent, high-range performance in revolver cartridges ranging from the .32 S&W Long through the .44 Special and does journeyman service in a variety of auto pistol chamberings as well. Until well into the 1960s, Unique was considered the only powder suited for standard loads in the .45 Colt. It is considered very stable and resistant to atmospheric influences, non-critical as to positioning in the case, displaying extreme lot-to-lot consistency throughout its history of manufacture.
  The revealed history of Unique varies among a number of sources. My favorite version comes from my first reloading handbook, The Speer Reloading Manual No. 3 from 1959. According to Speer, the propellant was introduced in 1890 by the Laughlin and Rand Powder Company under the name "Infallible." This was only six years after Paul Vieille created the first smokeless powder suitable for use in small arms.
  Around the turn of the 20th century, Laughlin and Rand and the Hercules Powder Company came to an agreement that placed the smokeless powders under the Hercules label. Some sources report that Hercules Bullseye came out in 1898 with the newly labeled Unique following a couple of years later. Others insist Bullseye derived from Unique, either as a by-product of screening or, according to one source--"floor sweepings."
  Reloading manuals throughout most of the 20th century create the impression the earlier Laughlin and Rand product, Hercules and Alliant Unique, remained unchanged in any important respect right up until introduction of the "New, Cleaner Burning" Alliant Unique circa 2000. As an interesting aside to its longevity, the Speer No. 3 relates a can of L&R Infallible from 1890 was unearthed at the factory in the late 1950s and performed according to the original 19th century specifications."
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 12:10:01 AM »
I only use Unique. I've used it for decades with no problems in any way, shape or form.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2012, 12:52:10 AM »
My only concern with bullseye is it is easy to double load in larger cases. I seldom use it for that reason . I still have part of the first pound in got back around 1976 or so.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2012, 04:46:12 AM »
Wish you hadn't brought up Bullseye. Don't have any anymore but was always on hand years ago. 2 1/2 gr of Bullseye and a 148ga W.C. was awsome for me.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2012, 08:43:51 AM »
I've likely used more Bullseye  than a good stout man could carry.  I'm down to less than 8# on hand right now.   I've used my share of Unique as well, mostly in shotgun loads and .45 Colt. I'm currently working on the 24# of Promo I bought. I only bought the Promo because of the price. Otherwise I'd have bought more Bullseye. And yes, a charge of Bullseye doesn't take up much room in the case. You have to check powder charges. I have a strong light over my bullet seating station, I eyeball every charge as it indexes to that station. So far, no double charges. Maybe I've been lucky for the last 45+yrs, but I'll take it!
For my applications, if I had to, I could get by with one handgun powder, Unique of course!
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2012, 05:44:18 PM »
Thanks for the reply gentleman. Much like asking any question in a large group of experienced folks, you get a full array of answers! Still haven't decided which way to go on powder. BTW, I'm looking at moving from a SS press to either a Hornady LNL or a Dillon 550. May I ask for your opinions of pro's and con's of both. Already read a previous post on progressive's, but still undecided. Had the opportunity to play with an LNL and was pretty impressed with how stout the unit is. Stout is always good, but does it function as claimed? I am VERY anal about my charges, as I currently run my powder from an RCBS Chargemaster and double check EACH load on my Ohaus beam (not that I don't "trust" the Chargemaster, again its the anal thing). Hence, it's taking way to long to run enough 38's to keep up with a family of shooters. My concern about moving to a progressive is at the powder dispenser station, are they accurate enough that I can feel confident and not have to double check each load, maybe every 10th round? Also, any metering advantages of either Bullseye or Unique in a progressive like the LNL? Thanks for the assistance fellas, the insight is appreciated. Thanks, Fletch

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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2012, 11:59:12 PM »
Get the Dillion, you'll be glad you did.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2012, 02:13:17 AM »
I don't own a progressive but if I bought one it would be a Dillon. The reason is I have never heard anyone say I wish I had not bought a Dillon but I have heard several people say I wish I had bought a Dillon.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2012, 08:14:55 AM »
Bullseye meters better for me than Unique and also burns cleaner. That being said, if I could only have one it would be Unique just because of the versatility.
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Re: Unique or Bullseye
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2012, 08:52:31 AM »
If you decide on the Dillon, give the 650 a look. Otherwise the LNL would be my choice. Any progressive press should auto index IMO. For me that's a very desirable feature.
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